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Wiros PotHead
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.29 07:47:00 -
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Well done CCP!
Spanish is the second most spoken language in the world, but instead of translating the interface, you choose to close the existing channels, the only place where spanish speakers could find some help... Surely this way, the Hispanic community will grow dramatically.
Well done CCP! Amaizng work!
/ironic GÇ£This is war. You never want to fight fair. You want to sneak up behind your enemy and club him over the head.GÇ¥
GÇô Kara Thrace aka "Starbuck" -á |
Endo Dy
V0LTA Triumvirate.
65
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:32:00 -
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The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language.
The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift.
Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels. Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved
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Desalmada Nolen
Irmandade Colonial
3
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:41:00 -
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Endo Dy wrote:The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language. The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift. Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels. Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved
Great argument, much better simply to inform the chat is not moderated and continue keeping the chats |
Baltic77
Worms Coalition The Volition Cult
17
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Posted - 2014.09.29 12:25:00 -
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Endo Dy wrote:The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language. The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift. Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels. Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved
This. |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2447
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Posted - 2014.09.29 12:26:00 -
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Desalmada Nolen wrote:Endo Dy wrote:The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language. The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift. Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels. Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved Great argument, much better simply to inform the chat is not moderated and continue keeping the chats
And the odd thing is I and others with me have sugggested this exact thing in this thread before , so seems a lot of the players can see the easy solution here.And yet , CCP seems this idea is not worthy so decided to just remove it all together.
The question here really is , are you more afraid of new/trial people joining these channels and not accepting the MOTD as a rule that it is not moderated and as such quit the game because of trolling/words OR do you feel that a complete lack of these channels will keep a lot of players from not exteding their trial period.
CCP's cash is on the first one , my cash is on the latter one , newbro's who don't have english as their main language will leave the game a lot easier as it is harder for them to get answers to their questions in their own language.And that's jjust in the channel itself , i think a big amount of players also find their first corporation in these types of channels to keep their learning of eve as a whole mostly in their native language before setting foot out in the eve world .
Anyway that's the last i'll say about it .CCP hasn't repsonded yet after creating this thread and i doubt they even feel the need to as it's only reached page 14 so far.And why should it reach more pages , it will mostly hurt the newbro's.
Who needs fresh blood eh , we can keep this game running on 10 accounts each for many many years to come right .. right ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
37
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Posted - 2014.09.29 12:30:00 -
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There is now less than 12 hours left before the expansion. We, the players, used this time to adapt. Did you, CCP, use any of this WHOLE WEEKS warning time to think about your discussion, to communicate with the playerbase, to answer their questions regardiing the situation? |
Desalmada Nolen
Irmandade Colonial
3
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:11:00 -
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It is the only way now is to conform and wait to see how these changes will occur in the game. |
Hra Neuvosto
FinFleet Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:17:00 -
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Wherever Hesbu goes, I go. |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
516
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Posted - 2014.09.29 14:40:00 -
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Many of you will remember ISD Eshtir who recently resigned from his position as ISD CCL (Forums moderation) Vice Admral. He also gave a statement on this matter. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1394
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Posted - 2014.09.29 16:02:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Many of you will remember ISD Eshtir who recently resigned from his position as ISD CCL (Forums moderation) Vice Admral. He also gave a statement on this matter. Wheel of Conspiracy, turn turn turn, tell us the logic we should spurn!
(Because clearly the two are connected. Not. >_>) Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Owner, The Golden Masque
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Hanazava Karyna
The Foundation Of Mammon
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Posted - 2014.09.29 16:11:00 -
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Oh my, this thread escalated faster than I thought.
Well, it's bad move from CCP that they made such a grave change without even consulting it with players nor CMS. No information in changelog (as if someone without decent English skill would read changelog anyway...), few days to next expansion that sets everything in stone, no information in soon-to-be deleted channels; everything sounds just pretty sneaky to me.
CCP has, for sure, no resources to deal with monitoring every available language chat channel, most of them are dead anyway. For moment I though `Damn, it's good change after all; if there is so much trolling on language channels where newbies gather en masse such trolling, bad language and other issues could definitely daunt young players. So deleting is good.` After reading through every post in this thread I changed my opinion a little.
One of the fastest solution is to divide language channels into two groups, officially moderated and not moderated (or moderated from time to time with some help from google traslate) as Endo Dy said. I like this one because you can have everything what it is now without hurting anyone and make young users realize, that chats can be dangerous place too.
Furthermore, that legacy chat system needs to be thoroughly revised if not rewritten from the scratch. Looking for chats and joining makes eyes bleed. But not only UI side, having this issue we can modify core of this mechanism. Chats could have "unofficiall" moderators who could moderate in their free time. Of course it could bring some issues like banning without good reason etc. but when detected such moderator could face serious responsibility for his wrongdoings. Such moderator could use his command to publicly warn user, to mute him, kick him or even ban for interval of time. We need better (inline) reporting system, sending report for things like spam / racism / illegal content / other things stated in EULA. Report with context, of course, context and addictionally dozen of previous entries of this user. Reporting should take into account not only negative status of reported characted but whole user account (no pun intended).
For trolling, personally I don't know what to do. Every person can troll. Trolling is an essence of the Internet. You can't trust random post or `fact` you're able to read. Everyone can troll some newbie in unmoderated channel, everyone can pretend to be this newbie as well. It's the same issue as in engineering. If you try to create more idiot-proof solution, the universe will create better idiots. Being an idiot, unfortunately, doesn't break the law. Internet doesn't have nor age nor common sense restrictions. We can only wait for them to get smarter or let the Internet darwinism work.
Well, this post is longer than I thought it would be, but yeah, overall CCP, you've made a mistake. Please, take your time and don't rush every change into TQ.
PS
Praetar wrote:CCP, you receive a bunch of tickets and you decide to close historic language channels that hundreds of people use to avoid the problem.
Let the games begin...
I beg you foreign players of EVE Online to join these Faction and Technology channels after the release of Oceanus to continue your activities in your faction or technic language:
(...)
Caldari - Polish Poles are definitely Amarr-like, I can ensure |
Hanazava Karyna
The Foundation Of Mammon
9
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Posted - 2014.09.29 16:15:00 -
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Nevermind, now I see that CCP is busy with making dev blogs about clipboard |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
215
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Posted - 2014.09.29 19:41:00 -
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You guys never learn, huh? Summer of Rage *really* didn't teach you anything about arrogance and not listening to players?
Ok, you want to curbstomp noobs not speaking your 5 supported languages, who desperately look for a place to start? As you desire, my master.
My only doubt: why you feel this need to always be the worst obstacle for EVE to flourish? << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
1547
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Posted - 2014.09.29 22:00:00 -
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Caroline Grace sent me over here.
All caught up and yeah, I am gonna go ask some questions.
A LOT of your suggestions seem reasonable. From the simple redirects before it closes down to not closing it down at all but modifying the MOTD
If I get news, have news I am allowed to tell you I will be back.
btw, I liked the basque quote, even if I did have to use google translate.
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9 |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3005
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Posted - 2014.09.29 22:11:00 -
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>Tinfoil hat mode on>
If financials were going bad, CCP could focus on improving revenue. As the game in its current state is poorly attractive to noobs when compared to newer titles, improving the game for noobs is not likely to improve revenue as much as compared to other stuff that may call back bittervets.
Thus CCP is killing the future growth to pay the present debts... a move that 10% of the times is bold and predates resurreciton, and 90% of time is just the prelude to death by ennui.
>Tinfoil hat mode off>
We veterans will set up our channels if we want to. But since September 30 of 2014, new players who don't speak a supported language can pretty much go to hell if they need help. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
104
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Posted - 2014.09.29 22:16:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Caroline Grace sent me over here.
All caught up and yeah, I am gonna go ask some questions.
A LOT of your suggestions seem reasonable. From the simple redirects before it closes down to not closing it down at all but modifying the MOTD
If I get news, have news I am allowed to tell you I will be back.
btw, I liked the basque quote, even if I did have to use google translate.
m Mike: thanks. With fewer than 11 hours to go, you're later to the party than I would have wished. But props to you for showing. Grateful for anything you can find out at this stage. Your spirit is the true shield. |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
520
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Posted - 2014.09.29 22:51:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Caroline Grace sent me over here.
All caught up and yeah, I am gonna go ask some questions.
A LOT of your suggestions seem reasonable. From the simple redirects before it closes down to not closing it down at all but modifying the MOTD
If I get news, have news I am allowed to tell you I will be back.
btw, I liked the basque quote, even if I did have to use google translate.
m Thanks a lot!
Regarding notifications within the channels:
English: None at all French: None at all German: GM Bigglesworth replaced the motd at around 18:15 with a link to the translation of the OP Japanese: motd not updated (if google translate is right) Russian: Lonk to the translation of the OP by CCP Leeloo Chinese: motd not updated (google translate again)
Other Channels (didn't check all): None at all EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
107
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Posted - 2014.09.30 03:10:00 -
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https://twitter.com/funkybacon/status/516777355449491457 Your spirit is the true shield. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
44
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Posted - 2014.09.30 04:23:00 -
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CCP! During the fanfest, you said the new release schedule allows you to postpone updates. The time to use it is now! Listen to the CSM, the group YOU set up, before you make a huge mistake. This of course needs time. WE have "coped" with these trolls for 5+ years, SURELY we can manage 6 more weeks |
Gaius Clabbacus
Trans-Solar Works Terrible Space Warriors
0
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Posted - 2014.09.30 06:30:00 -
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Endo Dy wrote:The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language. The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift. Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels. Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved
This. And to reduce the link spam in the language channels make it so that people can only subscribe or post in one channel with a 30 minute timer. (May also hurt some legitimate players.) |
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Micrihael Smith
Eve Engineering Logistics Eve Engineering
1
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Posted - 2014.09.30 09:22:00 -
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No.
The much vaunted "player experience" will be as dust in my mouth. I already have to feel my way through Cyrillic spam in supposedly English - only channels. I am not about to invest in a monitor purely for Google Translate, either.
I have made attempts - a long time ago - to join ISD. I have few skills beyond penmanship and wordsmithery, so was understandably ignored, ignored, ignored and finally refused. Perhaps those with a skill for multiple ( i.e. two or more) languages might make their mark, and become Champions of New Eden, Diplomats in their own right?
I have low expectations of a happy resolution, though. We expect CCP to be loyal to us because we pay money. Perhaps some loyalty to our native languages, and being volunteer - in - channel moderators might be a sufficiently small step? If it allows us clear communication, and unhindered information flow, that, surely, is where the future is.
I'll be in my bunk if you need me.
Edited to say I only found out about this on Twitter, from a post by the awesome Chribba, this morning. |
Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
217
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Posted - 2014.09.30 09:52:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:All caught up and yeah, I am gonna go ask some questions. [...] m
Thanks Mike! << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
lachrymus
Czerka.
21
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Posted - 2014.09.30 10:53:00 -
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There's a big red cross outside Jita 4/4 to mark the occasion - RIP language channels |
Darkblad
Hilfe is like free Entertainment
520
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Posted - 2014.09.30 11:17:00 -
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lachrymus wrote:There's a big red cross outside Jita 4/4 to mark the occasion - RIP language channels Image Another shot can be found here. Next to that I've also set a temprorary redirect from anything on my site to a notification page to raise the awareness of this. At least for the German language players, of which quite some visit the site every day. This is in effect only for 24 hours, so everything will return to normal there tomorrow. EVE Infolinks -+-áOld and new-áPortraits |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2449
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Posted - 2014.09.30 11:54:00 -
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Still amazed this only reached page 15 so far .
Just goes to show most players only give a damn about what effects their own playstyle and don't give a crap about the new influx untill they can be a means to an end for them.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar borealis
274
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Posted - 2014.09.30 12:10:00 -
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I am pretty sure that people will realize after dt.
Darkblad caught me red handed.. he was like: Nabs did you read the motd ? Nope.. of course I had not - and this coming from me.. *hangs head in shame*
30 minutes before dt we had people ask why we were saying bye bye to the channel... they had no idea.
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
45
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Posted - 2014.09.30 12:50:00 -
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We're CCP! We march on fearlessly! Excellent is what we strive to be!
Indeed CCP
Indeed |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3017
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:22:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:(...)
btw, I liked the basque quote, even if I did have to use google translate.
m
Congratulations, my Google Translate made no sense at all so I had to ask for a human translation...
"A language is lost not when those who don't speak it don't learn it, but when those who learned it don't speak it"
The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
45
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:04:00 -
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That channel does not exist (channel: 49)
R.I.P
Thanks CCP, excellence hard at work as usual |
Karl Stranne
The Red in the Sky Is Ours
3
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:06:00 -
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Language channels gone.
*slowclap*
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