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Yongtau Naskingar
Yongtau Naskingar Corporation
72
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Posted - 2014.09.24 06:16:00 -
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How is this any different from the trade channels? Blueprints and such are full of trolls too. People just block 'm and move on. Remove those too, then, so we can have player alternatives.
And I really don't get how all of CCP is patting themselves on the back about this. This is a "sorry we can't keep this up" situation not a "woo look at the cool thing we did." |
Samsara Toldya
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.09.24 07:59:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:[Not providing a magnet to draw idiots and victims together is a step in the right direction. A few hundred more bans will get the rest of the point across.
I can only talk about german channels. There is a channel called "German"(300-600 players) - a rough place to be for new players, but perfectly "EvE'ish". You love it or leave it. There is a channel called "German Help (Hilfe)"(400-700 and up to 1000 players whenever there is a steam sale or the days after events like B-R) - we are doing our best to help new players and try to keep "trolls" out.
Closing the "official troll allowed channel" will leave some of the "trolls" homeless and there it is your "magnet to draw idiots and victims together" as many of them will simply move to the help channel. Because why would they join a player run channel where they can get banned/muted whenever the "chief of channel" doesn't like him?
Now some may say: Not a problem at all as the german help channel will be heavyly supported (monitored/moderated) by dozens of ISD/GM/CCP, but in fact the last time I've seen an ISD is >10 weeks ago. Who is going to do those "few hundred more bans"? I know one ISD, one GM and one CCP who can be seen twice a year - how are they supposed to take care of a channel with 500+ players 24/7?
Just take a look at the "official german sub-forum"... 24+ days without any ISD/GM/CCP action. Oceanus? Never heard of it!
"Official supported"
At least give us a button, something like "Channel could really need some moderation RIGHT NOW!"
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Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar borealis
258
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Posted - 2014.09.24 08:51:00 -
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Samsara Toldya wrote:
At least give us a button, something like "Channel could really need some moderation RIGHT NOW!"
This... |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10155
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Posted - 2014.09.24 09:09:00 -
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Samsara Toldya wrote:KIller Wabbit wrote:[Not providing a magnet to draw idiots and victims together is a step in the right direction. A few hundred more bans will get the rest of the point across. I can only talk about german channels. There is a channel called "German"(300-600 players) - a rough place to be for new players, but perfectly "EvE'ish". You love it or leave it. There is a channel called "German Help (Hilfe)"(400-700 and up to 1000 players whenever there is a steam sale or the days after events like B-R) - we are doing our best to help new players and try to keep "trolls" out. Closing the "official troll allowed channel" will leave some of the "trolls" homeless and there it is your "magnet to draw idiots and victims together" as many of them will simply move to the help channel. Because why would they join a player run channel where they can get banned/muted whenever the "chief of channel" doesn't like him? Now some may say: Not a problem at all as the german help channel will be heavyly supported (monitored/moderated) by dozens of ISD/GM/CCP, but in fact the last time I've seen an ISD is >10 weeks ago. Who is going to do those "few hundred more bans"? I know one ISD, one GM and one CCP who can be seen twice a year - how are they supposed to take care of a channel with 500+ players 24/7? Just take a look at the "official german sub-forum"... 24+ days without any ISD/GM/CCP action. Oceanus? Never heard of it! "Official supported" At least give us a button, something like "Channel could really need some moderation RIGHT NOW!" Quoting for truth.
CCP is the number one force in trying to ruin their game, simply by not fighting the people who keep trying it too.
Same goes for rookie corps, tbh.
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Szczurek
BSX Industries Inver Brass
4
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Posted - 2014.09.24 09:11:00 -
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Baaaaaad move.
People who got irritated by trolls can always leave the chat and/or block the trolls.
Now you remove default place to go to talk to your country mates, speaking same language and having the same cultural background for dubious reasons... now they not only have to look for place such as this, but there is high chance they will find some nicely named newbie-bait setup by trolls who will just chat-gank (by e.g, giving wrong advice) newbies and then ban/kick them from chat... yup, indeed an improvement over the "official" channel...
Way to add more obstacles to already problematic new player retention... |
Prol1fe
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 10:37:00 -
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really bad news |
Rionan Nafee
Industrie und Handels Konsortium Tribunal Alliance
387
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Posted - 2014.09.24 12:51:00 -
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I dont see any benefits for the players in this only that the player runned channels are much harder to find for new players and there are no limits for despotism by the channel creators.
I dont see any drawbacks for CCP in keeping the status quo. Currently active moderation is also not existing and harrassment suppot tickets will be created nevertheless is there an official channel or not.
Bad decision, CCP.
Keep at least the channels of supported official languages. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2947
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Posted - 2014.09.24 13:22:00 -
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Migui X'hyrrn wrote:Such a shame that spanish being official in more than 20 countries and having more than 500 million of native speakers is not an official language.
I guess we can just struggle to have The True And Only Spanish Channel (All Other 24 True And Only Spanish Channels Are Sh*t)...
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2947
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Posted - 2014.09.24 13:30:00 -
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Migui X'hyrrn wrote:It is very interesting that pissing off a big portion of the community is seen as "greatest news".
Apparently playing this game as a Spanish speaker was not difficult enough... they only want the bestest noobs, those who can find, not just help in their language, but do it among half a dozen competing channels. Plus the chance of landing on a "troll" channel ruled by some people we know. The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Nerriana
Fistful of Finns Triumvirate.
10
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:45:00 -
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This is a bad idea. EvE is a global game (aside Chinese server, but that's another political matter) with international audience. While nearly all players have some command of one of the officially-sanctioned languages, there are many, many players who want to mingle with people from same countries and/or language regions.
Trolling is an unavoidable fact of Internet life. Likewise, unless CCP wants to take the business-unfriendly decision of banning in-game discussions outside four "sanctioned" languages, there will be difficult-to-handle cases of trolling, griefing and so on in languages other than the sanctioned ones.
In short, IMHO this policy archieves nothing while degrading player experience for many. Normal ESRB warnings that online interactions are not rated along CCP warnings that unofficial languages are not supported should be sufficient. |
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lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.09.24 15:57:00 -
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If CCP has anyone still in the firm remembering the old times, player moderated national chat channels WERE TRIED BEFORE. This didnt end well, for example, the finnish chat channel moderators started demanding tariffs for posting on said channel (see also: bad messenger).
This also has the effect of driving new people away from the game when they cant find same-cultured people to play with. Am personally against this stuff, instead, expand on the options given to the players already. We have the report isk spammer function which killed isk spamming rather fast. We also have the report bot-function. What is stopping ccp from adding a report harasser-button on national/language specific channels?
Not to forget that these channels house a big part of the culture for the users of said channels. Friday millions from Jepso, Hesbu and his mono/altlogies, blackjack nights at weekends... CCP is throwing all of this culture to waste if this change goes through |
Deryn Angrard
Quantum Cats Syndicate
56
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:08:00 -
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Language channels are really good for new players, they can easily find a chat channel where they can meet other players and ask questions in their native language making the game easier. This might even lead into a player staying in the game and finding a good corp for them.
If player has to make the channel, the trolling that doesnt really happen will continue, but no new player will ever find those channels and have no way to get help in their tutorials and with whatever they might need help with. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:17:00 -
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Also, has this been discussed by CSM? Why bring it up only now, just a week before the expansion? Will we be getting a devblog about this? |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
147
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:26:00 -
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things would be a lot simpler if everyone spoke german gay gamers for jesus |
Cyno Fit
Dark Neutron Star Metatron Inc. Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:36:00 -
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What?!
One of the first things I did when I started playing this game was to join my home language channel.
Oh my. So the "New player experience-¥-ÅGäó" is being flushed down the toilet? |
Longdrinks
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
102
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:40:00 -
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wow its like opening a new channel named exactly the same thing as the old one is some hard thing to do |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
2950
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:41:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:Also, has this been discussed by CSM? Why bring it up only now, just a week before the expansion? Will we be getting a devblog about this?
I wonder if some CSM speaks other than First Rate Playership languages...
Spanish chat usually haves 100 to 120 people online, which apparently is one third of the German channel, despite Spanish is not a First Rate Playership language. Without a official channel, the Spanish chat community will tear apart in different channels, each one claiming to be the one and true chanel, and newbies be damned if they land on a channel with merely 20 bittervets online whose main interest is holding feuds against all other chat channels... The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:42:00 -
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Longdrinks wrote:wow its like opening a new channel named exactly the same thing as the old one is some hard thing to do
Just like keeping track of alliance tournament is easily done through the alliance tournament-named channel, right? Why even have twitch? |
Cyno Fit
Dark Neutron Star Metatron Inc. Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:42:00 -
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Longdrinks wrote:wow its like opening a new channel named exactly the same thing as the old one is some hard thing to do Yeah but the difference is that it doesn't show in the list. You can end up in something totally different. How does a newbie know how to serach channels. I didn't. |
Naburi NasNaburi
A Little Peculiar borealis
259
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:47:00 -
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Longdrinks wrote:wow its like opening a new channel named exactly the same thing as the old one is some hard thing to do
A channel a new player will not find, unless someone tells him its there.. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2950
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:48:00 -
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Longdrinks wrote:wow its like opening a new channel named exactly the same thing as the old one is some hard thing to do
Player channels aren't listed nowhere. If you're not invited or don't know the name of the channel, you can't join them. Whereas official language channels can be browsed from the channels list.
And what is worst, how does a newbie tell which player channel is the right one?
The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.09.24 16:56:00 -
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Eve online: a MEORPG Massive English Online Role Playing Game |
Glad Con Suerte
Finnish Space Jaegers Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:01:00 -
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Wow. Bad decisions after another. CCP where are you going? |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
9
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:06:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Good afternoon capsuleers We'd like to let you all know in advance, and invite you to create your own player run language channels after the Oceanus release is deployed in order to continue discussions in your native languages if you wish to do so. - F <3
Thanks for A WHOLE WEEKS warning time
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
2951
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:14:00 -
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lolcorpholder alt wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Good afternoon capsuleers We'd like to let you all know in advance, and invite you to create your own player run language channels after the Oceanus release is deployed in order to continue discussions in your native languages if you wish to do so. - F <3 Thanks for A WHOLE WEEKS warning time
They're just scooping the issue under the rug. Player channels are not their issue, so, with no official language channels, there is no issue with language channels. Kill the dog and kill the fleas... The Greater Fool Bar-áis now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!-áIngame chat channel: The Greater Fool Bar |
Xeator
soldiers.fi
46
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:35:00 -
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I cant even believe how poorly this is being handled.
When did this "issue" of yours even start? Why are we getting informed a whole WEEK before this poor change? We have no say in the matter? Unbelievable.
Creating player controlled channels is just bad, they can be moderated, people can be banned from them etc. These public channels are good for people with different native languages than the official ones that you support. Anyone can join and chat there, trolls can always be blocked.
Now its all going to be gone? Leave language channels alone! |
lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
2
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:44:00 -
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This is bullshit.
The language chat channels are probably the easiest way for a newbie to get started in Eve and to find contacts. Hell, I'm too lazy to find new friends/contacts/foes/whatever without the language chat. Basically I foresee players becoming more isolated from each other and the whole new player experience scene taking a huge step backwards because of this.
CCP, in this year's fanfest you announced that you would be launching new expansions way more rapidly than you used to. So far two of those have been released and the third one is about to be released. With the attempt at wrecking the wormhole space and now removing the language chat channels have two out of three of those releases so far been absolutely terrible and made my gaming experience WORSE instead of enhancing it.
DON'T DO THIS. |
lolcorpholder alt
ebil piwates inc.
15
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:01:00 -
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Any chance of getting some blue input on this subject considering you caused this situation? |
Queen Elarik
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:02:00 -
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-1 Clean it up, close it out and stick it where the sun don't shine! |
Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
31
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:31:00 -
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Maybe instead of closing the channels CCP could do something productive like.. I don't know.. ban the players who are being a problem from the game permanently? |
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