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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2014.09.23 22:18:00 -
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Hi guys was just wondering if anyone else agreed with me on this.
The amount of staff ding lost when failing a mission is way way to much. I had pulled a mission but before I could complete it I had to log.
My rl being what it is I had to go out of country for a week or so. Come back and my 3 mission pulling toons have all failed their mission as it's ran out of time. Which is fine I say go to pull a mission again and wth 2 of the 3 toons can't pull anymore. Iam shocked.
Just wondering why the punishment for failing a mission be it just not being good enough or like mine timing out should hit you with such a massive penalty for standing? |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising The Bastion
1407
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Posted - 2014.09.24 01:42:00 -
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hmmm, the mission-fail standings loss never really struck me as being particularly over-the-top.
As for excuses (and RL), ya we all have those. I have many excuses for being bad at eve, but they don't really change what goes down in 'reality'. I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29199
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Posted - 2014.09.24 01:44:00 -
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I'm just wondering why you would have your 3 characters accept missions all at the same time. Even if you have them all Fleet up and run the missions back to back, you're still running a chance of loosing the bonus pay on the last mission. Especially when something like your current issue happens.
Anyway, it shouldn't take too long to regain the lost standing. As for the 2 characters that lost access, guess you'll just have to fleet them with the one who still has access.
After they all gain access again, I would advise not to have more than one mission accepted at a time. Having more than one mission offer in Journal is fine if you plan on running them before those offers expire.
Just remember it's better to have a mission offer expire (small standing hit) than it is to fail / quit an accepted mission (large standing hit).
Wish I could be more helpful. Good luck to you.
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
637
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Posted - 2014.09.24 02:30:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'm just wondering why you would have your 3 characters accept missions all at the same time. Even if you have them all Fleet up and run the missions back to back, you're still running a chance of loosing the bonus pay on the last mission. Especially when something like your current issue happens.
Anyway, it shouldn't take too long to regain the lost standing. As for the 2 characters that lost access, guess you'll just have to fleet them with the one who still has access.
After they all gain access again, I would advise not to have more than one mission accepted at a time. Having more than one mission offer in Journal is fine if you plan on running them before those offers expire.
Just remember it's better to have a mission offer expire (small standing hit) than it is to fail / quit an accepted mission (large standing hit).
Wish I could be more helpful. Good luck to you.
DMC
I'll be blitzing on one character and semi-afking on another at the same time, if I had a third monitor I'd probably try doing 3 missions at the same time, so I can really see having a few missions open. Also if you are 3 boxing in a mission and losing bonus pay you are doing something seriously wrong imo.
I've only failed a mission once I think, and it was due to forgetting about it I think. that said I really can't remember what that does to your standings.
gaining standings seems to be really quick to me, ah well, just get them back You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
448
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Posted - 2014.09.24 06:21:00 -
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Running lv 5 missions. You blitz so the payout does not really matter all that much as it's the lp. And need 3 toons to pull as not all missions are blitz able so some need to be declined. So unless you want to wait 4hrs every 2nd or 3rd mission you need more thenone toon.
I was just shocked to go from over 7.5standings to down to 6.x and not be able to pull anymore mission for one failed mission just seemed excessive |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29221
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Posted - 2014.09.24 09:04:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I'll be blitzing on one character and semi-afking on another at the same time, if I had a third monitor I'd probably try doing 3 missions at the same time, so I can really see having a few missions open. Also if you are 3 boxing in a mission and losing bonus pay you are doing something seriously wrong imo.
What you're describing is 2 different things. I'll address the last one.
If you have 3 characters who each accept a mission, fleet up and start running those missions 1 at a time, the 3rd mission will be well into it's timer by the time it's started.
By the way, there's no reason whatsoever to have all 3 missions active at the same time when they're only being done 1 at a time.
Lord LazyGhost wrote:Running lv 5 missions. You blitz so the payout does not really matter all that much as it's the lp. And need 3 toons to pull as not all missions are blitz able so some need to be declined. So unless you want to wait 4hrs every 2nd or 3rd mission you need more then one toon.
I was just shocked to go from over 7.5standings to down to 6.x and not be able to pull anymore mission for one failed mission just seemed excessive Yeah, actions have consequences.
Agent level, LP gain or 4 hr waiting timer, none of that matters. Still don't need to have all 3 missions active at the same time when you're using all 3 characters in Fleet to blitz only 1 mission at a time.
Bottom line - When you fail or quit an accepted mission, you'll get hit with large standing loss to Faction, Corp and Agent. If it's just a mission offer that expires, you only lose a little Corp and Agent standing.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
448
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Posted - 2014.09.24 11:42:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I'll be blitzing on one character and semi-afking on another at the same time, if I had a third monitor I'd probably try doing 3 missions at the same time, so I can really see having a few missions open. Also if you are 3 boxing in a mission and losing bonus pay you are doing something seriously wrong imo.
What you're describing is 2 different things. I'll address the last one. If you have 3 characters who each accept a mission, fleet up and start running those missions 1 at a time, the 3rd mission will be well into it's timer by the time it's started. By the way, there's no reason whatsoever to have all 3 missions active at the same time when they're only being done 1 at a time. Lord LazyGhost wrote:Running lv 5 missions. You blitz so the payout does not really matter all that much as it's the lp. And need 3 toons to pull as not all missions are blitz able so some need to be declined. So unless you want to wait 4hrs every 2nd or 3rd mission you need more then one toon.
I was just shocked to go from over 7.5standings to down to 6.x and not be able to pull anymore mission for one failed mission just seemed excessive Yeah, actions have consequences. Agent level, LP gain or 4 hr waiting timer, none of that matters. Still don't need to have all 3 missions active at the same time when you're using all 3 characters in Fleet to blitz only 1 mission at a time. Bottom line - When you fail or quit an accepted mission, you'll get hit with large standing loss to Faction, Corp and Agent. If it's just a mission offer that expires, you only lose a little Corp and Agent standing. DMC
Dont have all 3 chars in fleet to blitz 1 mission tho.
have 3 chars in 3 carriers blitzing 3 missions. easier that way :) |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29257
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:07:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote: Dont have all 3 chars in fleet to blitz 1 mission tho.
have 3 chars in 3 carriers blitzing 3 missions. easier that way :)
Yeah, ok. That's not really blitzing, that's just multitasking. Should have said that right from the start.
Anyway, I'm starting to think this is just a troll and as such, I'm done with this thread..
DMC Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
474
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:13:00 -
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Required Standing
All agents have six standings relationships with a capsuleer, which can be viewed by getting "info" on the agent in game, and going to the standings tab. The agent, her corporation and her faction have derived standings with the pilot and his corporation. All level 1 agents (except for storyline agents) should be available to every pilot. All level 2 thru level 5 agents require a minimum derived standing, which is taken as the highest of the "Standings With You" on the agent's Standings Tab (in-game).
Agent Level Minimum Derived Standing
1 -10 2 1 3 3 4 5 5 7
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Standing |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
637
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:34:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I'll be blitzing on one character and semi-afking on another at the same time, if I had a third monitor I'd probably try doing 3 missions at the same time, so I can really see having a few missions open. Also if you are 3 boxing in a mission and losing bonus pay you are doing something seriously wrong imo.
What you're describing is 2 different things. I'll address the last one. If you have 3 characters who each accept a mission, fleet up and start running those missions 1 at a time, the 3rd mission will be well into it's timer by the time it's started. By the way, there's no reason whatsoever to have all 3 missions active at the same time when they're only being done 1 at a time.
when you are pulling ~3k dps the third mission should be completed in a fairly reasonable time frame. I mean what worst case you have lowish sp and are pulling ~1.8k?
and I'd say it is a bonus to have multiple missions active if it cuts down on travel time. As Travel time is one of the biggest killers of efficiency when multboxing missions.
Lastly ah running level 5s, yea that probably has a bigger standings hit than I would have guessed from lv1-4 missions. And as posted a higher base requirement. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
447
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Posted - 2014.09.24 19:44:00 -
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it sucks lols nm almost ready to pull them on all chars again
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
110
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Posted - 2014.09.27 19:56:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:I'm just wondering why you would have your 3 characters accept missions all at the same time. Even if you have them all Fleet up and run the missions back to back, you're still running a chance of loosing the bonus pay on the last mission. Especially when something like your current issue happens.
Anyway, it shouldn't take too long to regain the lost standing. As for the 2 characters that lost access, guess you'll just have to fleet them with the one who still has access.
After they all gain access again, I would advise not to have more than one mission accepted at a time. Having more than one mission offer in Journal is fine if you plan on running them before those offers expire.
Just remember it's better to have a mission offer expire (small standing hit) than it is to fail / quit an accepted mission (large standing hit).
Wish I could be more helpful. Good luck to you.
DMC I'll be blitzing on one character and semi-afking on another at the same time, if I had a third monitor I'd probably try doing 3 missions at the same time, so I can really see having a few missions open. Also if you are 3 boxing in a mission and losing bonus pay you are doing something seriously wrong imo. I've only failed a mission once I think, and it was due to forgetting about it I think. that said I really can't remember what that does to your standings. gaining standings seems to be really quick to me, ah well, just get them back
Is that fun?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
643
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Posted - 2014.09.28 05:22:00 -
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Celthric Kanerian wrote:Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I'll be blitzing on one character and semi-afking on another at the same time, if I had a third monitor I'd probably try doing 3 missions at the same time, so I can really see having a few missions open. Also if you are 3 boxing in a mission and losing bonus pay you are doing something seriously wrong imo.
I've only failed a mission once I think, and it was due to forgetting about it I think. that said I really can't remember what that does to your standings.
gaining standings seems to be really quick to me, ah well, just get them back
Is that fun?
I seem to keep doing it. Although lately I've only had one account subbed, and/or one account able to do things. it is about as fun as mission running. I kinda consider it almost like playing solitaire. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn |
Julius Priscus
328
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Posted - 2014.09.28 05:30:00 -
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you should try getting wonderful standings with amarr and then missioning for sansha ,
can you say -5.15 before skills? lucky for me Khanid still like me somewhat lol |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5457
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Posted - 2014.10.01 07:15:00 -
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Penalties for failing missions aren't high enough IMHO.
Security status and agent standings are just about meaningless these days.
PS: CCP Soundwave, that is not a suggestion that security status and agent standings be removed.
PPS: Yes, I'm aware that he no longer works for CCP. I'm sure the ghost of his dogma is still lurking though, as anyone commenting on the module tiericide threads can attest ;) Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Elyham
Perkone Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:04:00 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Hi guys was just wondering if anyone else agreed with me on this.
The amount of staff ding lost when failing a mission is way way to much. I had pulled a mission but before I could complete it I had to log.
My rl being what it is I had to go out of country for a week or so. Come back and my 3 mission pulling toons have all failed their mission as it's ran out of time. Which is fine I say go to pull a mission again and wth 2 of the 3 toons can't pull anymore. Iam shocked.
Just wondering why the punishment for failing a mission be it just not being good enough or like mine timing out should hit you with such a massive penalty for standing?
Honestly when you fail to do your duty for your esteemed agent you should be punished severely. Failed mission should result in automatic -10 with Agent and Corp.
CCP please help rebalance mission standings penalties. Thank you.
Elyham Director, Mining Buddy Program |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
179
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:55:00 -
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Yes they are indeed too high. Failing 1 mission is the equivalent of losing standing from 15-25 missions. That is quite unreasonable. |
Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
2324
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:09:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:Yes they are indeed too high. Failing 1 mission is the equivalent of losing standing from 15-25 missions. That is quite unreasonable.
It is balanced fine if you factor in how freakin hard it is to actually fail a mission. |
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