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Sanjaro Chent-Shi
Keeping it Simple
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:09:00 -
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Heyah. I'm kinda fresh player of Eve Online. I play this game for like 2 weeks and i studied a lot of aspects of the game, done huge research on internet etc. My problem is that i want to be mission runner (something what most of players do), salvage wrecks etc. I ran a lot of missions and now i'm doing level 2 missions, but now i get rekt pretty easily on my Vexor in some missions. I can't fit it up well because it takes like 8 days to upgrade single Hull V skill. I tried almost every profession to do something while my skills trainings, but at the end i didn't earn that much.
I tried exploration but there's almost no data sites etc in highsec (i found one and only earn 2 M -,-) and i think it's really small profit compare to time i spent to scan this (maybe should i go into low sec? But for now i want to earn not lose), i tried mining but everyone says that's the worse job you can do and i agree in some way because i like to atleast move around.
And i have big question... What should i do during training period? Almost everything need skills to earn something, so i should just wait these 8 days until i'll be able to handle missions with no problems? I enjoy this game and it's really in my type, because i had chance to play couple of sandbox games before, but barriers like this kinda frustrate me, especially when i have a lot of time to play and i can't do anything special at all.
What jobs i could stick to as low sp and really poor player meanwhile i need to train for more advanced things?
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William Ruben
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
58
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:17:00 -
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Sanjaro Chent-Shi wrote:Heyah. I'm kinda fresh player of Eve Online. I play this game for like 2 weeks and i studied a lot of aspects of the game, done huge research on internet etc. My problem is that i want to be mission runner (something what most of players do), salvage wrecks etc. I ran a lot of missions and now i'm doing level 2 missions, but now i get rekt pretty easily on my Vexor in some missions. I can't fit it up well because it takes like 8 days to upgrade single Hull V skill. I tried almost every profession to do something while my skills trainings, but at the end i didn't earn that much.
I tried exploration but there's almost no data sites etc in highsec (i found one and only earn 2 M -,-) and i think it's really small profit compare to time i spent to scan this (maybe should i go into low sec? But for now i want to earn not lose), i tried mining but everyone says that's the worse job you can do and i agree in some way because i like to atleast move around.
And i have big question... What should i do during training period? Almost everything need skills to earn something, so i should just wait these 8 days until i'll be able to handle missions with no problems? I enjoy this game and it's really in my type, because i had chance to play couple of sandbox games before, but barriers like this kinda frustrate me, especially when i have a lot of time to play and i can't do anything special at all.
What jobs i could stick to as low sp and really poor player meanwhile i need to train for more advanced things?
Hate to break it to you but 8 days isn't nearly enough for a 2 week old character to skill into a Vexor sufficiently to fly it "with no problems". Check out a newbie skill plan for the first couple of months, step back down to frigates, and build your core fitting skills. Maybe try some exploration or PvP in the meantime. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5144
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:18:00 -
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bigger is not better in eve, a plan for you =]I[= |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4515
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:21:00 -
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Sanjaro Chent-Shi wrote:Heyah. I'm kinda fresh player of Eve Online. I play this game for like 2 weeks and i studied a lot of aspects of the game, done huge research on internet etc. My problem is that i want to be mission runner (something what most of players do), salvage wrecks etc. I ran a lot of missions and now i'm doing level 2 missions, but now i get rekt pretty easily on my Vexor in some missions. I can't fit it up well because it takes like 8 days to upgrade single Hull V skill. I tried almost every profession to do something while my skills trainings, but at the end i didn't earn that much.
I tried exploration but there's almost no data sites etc in highsec (i found one and only earn 2 M -,-) and i think it's really small profit compare to time i spent to scan this (maybe should i go into low sec? But for now i want to earn not lose), i tried mining but everyone says that's the worse job you can do and i agree in some way because i like to atleast move around.
And i have big question... What should i do during training period? Almost everything need skills to earn something, so i should just wait these 8 days until i'll be able to handle missions with no problems? I enjoy this game and it's really in my type, because i had chance to play couple of sandbox games before, but barriers like this kinda frustrate me, especially when i have a lot of time to play and i can't do anything special at all.
What jobs i could stick to as low sp and really poor player meanwhile i need to train for more advanced things?
I know why you are stuck:
2 weeks & Vexor.
In 2 weeks NO way you can be a sufficient trained frigate pilot, let alone a cruiser
You rushed into a Vexor, without training a shitload of support skills,
How are your armor skills? How are your drone skills? How are your capacitor skills? How are your powergrid skills? How are your CPU skills?
See, there is MUCH more then just Gallente Cruiser I to fly a ship.
p.s. stop Hull Upgrades 5 and train more useful quicker skills.
And of course you could always fall back to, say flying a frigate and level 1 missions till you can actually FLY that Vexor instead of just sitting in it. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
William Ruben
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:30:00 -
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J'Poll wrote:Sanjaro Chent-Shi wrote:Heyah. I'm kinda fresh player of Eve Online. I play this game for like 2 weeks and i studied a lot of aspects of the game, done huge research on internet etc. My problem is that i want to be mission runner (something what most of players do), salvage wrecks etc. I ran a lot of missions and now i'm doing level 2 missions, but now i get rekt pretty easily on my Vexor in some missions. I can't fit it up well because it takes like 8 days to upgrade single Hull V skill. I tried almost every profession to do something while my skills trainings, but at the end i didn't earn that much.
I tried exploration but there's almost no data sites etc in highsec (i found one and only earn 2 M -,-) and i think it's really small profit compare to time i spent to scan this (maybe should i go into low sec? But for now i want to earn not lose), i tried mining but everyone says that's the worse job you can do and i agree in some way because i like to atleast move around.
And i have big question... What should i do during training period? Almost everything need skills to earn something, so i should just wait these 8 days until i'll be able to handle missions with no problems? I enjoy this game and it's really in my type, because i had chance to play couple of sandbox games before, but barriers like this kinda frustrate me, especially when i have a lot of time to play and i can't do anything special at all.
What jobs i could stick to as low sp and really poor player meanwhile i need to train for more advanced things?
I know why you are stuck: 2 weeks & Vexor. In 2 weeks NO way you can be a sufficient trained frigate pilot, let alone a cruiser You rushed into a Vexor, without training a shitload of support skills, How are your armor skills? How are your drone skills? How are your capacitor skills? How are your powergrid skills? How are your CPU skills? See, there is MUCH more then just Gallente Cruiser I to fly a ship. p.s. stop Hull Upgrades 5 and train more useful quicker skills. And of course you could always fall back to, say flying a frigate and level 1 missions till you can actually FLY that Vexor instead of just sitting in it. Just to emphasize this point I'll use myself as an example. I started mid May of this year, and just went over 6 million skill points. I just flew my PvE Vexor Navy Issue for the first time into a site TWO DAYS AGO. I could probably have done that faster but I have other things to train because EVE PvE makes baby Jesus cry, and it was a 7/10 DED site (with help) but still. That is about 4 *months* to get my skills up to date enough to be able to take on those rats.
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1470
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:35:00 -
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Firstly, don't take skills to 5 straight away. Take them to 3, take the more important ones to 4. Fives are for later.
What you do in the meantime is play. Take a frigate, do the Sisters of EVE epic arc (once you've done all the tutorials). That'll probably take you a good part of a week. Then run level 1 missions in that same frigate. Learn the game, player skills, not character skills.
As for exploration, that's luck and random chance. Yes, highsec sites are scarse, that just means you have to travel more. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6165
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:38:00 -
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Understand OP that this is a game where having "the best" skills isn't going to help nearly as much as you think it will.
I mean... yes, your skills are probably lacking in terms of flying a cruiser... but you don't have to WAIT to do anything. Just change up your tactics and "tools" a bit.
Instead of using a cruiser, use a destroyer. Even with poor skills, you can usually fit a destroyer fairly comfortably and it should perform well in a level 2 mission if you fly it smart (hint: use range and speed). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
250
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Posted - 2014.09.24 17:51:00 -
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First off, don't train Level V skills unless you are doing it to specifically fit a module. The tiny benefit you get from IV -> V is often overshadowed by the benefit you'll get from training another skill. Maybe powergrid/CPU skills make an exception because they can open up new fitting opportunities.
As for exploration, you are correct that high-sec exploration isn't very profitable and you are better off in low-sec. It isn't as dangerous as you think if you play things safe. Train up to get an Improved Cloaking Device II and learn to use the MWD+cloak trick to get around gatecamps, but to be honest it takes an interceptor or locking fit T3 cruiser to lock a frigate before it warps. It's easy to fit an exploration ship which costs <5 mil and you'll hopefully make more than that each hour in low-sec. Cloak while you scan, explore low population systems (plenty of those around), and learn to use d-scan effectively.
So, what to do while you train? Well, you can grind missions I suppose but it isn't the most exciting things. PvP has low barriers for entry and even if you aren't skilled it's still good practice to go get yourself blown up in some T1 frigates. Exploration in low-sec as discussed is possible, although it can feel a little grindy as well.
Also, see if there are any corp activities to get involved with. If not, maybe consider a more active corp unless you have some sort of attachment to your current one. |
Drago Shouna
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
155
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:25:00 -
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Drop back down to level 1 missions while you wait. Try other types as well, mining distribution etc.
Do what I used to do, while you wait for an 8 day skill.
At bedtime put in a couple of 2/3 hour skills, that way your main skill is still training when you get up, and you got better overall while you slept.
It's a long game, in every way mate, get used to it. Believe me, some skills are a lot longer to train.
Have fun.
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Toshiro Hasegawa
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
83
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Posted - 2014.09.24 18:48:00 -
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Dont train V's
Train lots and lots of skills to 1-2-3
when i start a new toon - i take isk probably dont have and buy all the cheap skills .. and train them to lv 1 then 2 etc..
getting alot fo skills to lv 1-2-3 opens up doors, many mods just need lv 1 to be able to plug a modual into your ship. Many skills that need prereqs -- only need lv 2-3 to allow the higher level skill.
vexor is a good cruiser .. but for a new player using a drone boat may not be the best idea .. btu who knows .. could work ..
i would use something with missiles or guns personally to start .. less moving parts to get confused with ..
you could try a destroyer .. better at killing frigs .. faster .. so you can dictate range .. cheaper if you loose one .. more skills that are used for frigs are used also for dessie .. which is a bonus at your stage of the game.
use online sites to open up a page with the mission you are about to run .. look at the damage types .. to know what to fit and what to fit against. Being able to use the right damage and the protect agaisnt the right damage will greatly increase your efficiency in missioning.
when the enemy is using Electronic Warfare .. either Warp Dis, dampners, ecm, webs .. whatever .. kill that ship first ..
when in doubt - warp out. History is the study of change. |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2763
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Posted - 2014.09.24 20:27:00 -
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I'm sorry but what are those 28 other people in your corp doing? Shouldn't you ask them to help you and guide you into entertainment? Or is it one of those sh!tty corps where everybody is an island and all you have in common is escaping 11% of NPC corp tax? If that's the case spend those 8 days on looking for better corp. Invalid signature format |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
585
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:18:00 -
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I would hazard a guess that part of your problem is your fit and not just your skills. If you share your Vexor fit we can probably help you improve your survivability with suggestions. Yeah 2 weeks isn't old enough to fly a Vexor perfectly or even well, but it should be good enough to muddle through level 2 missions.
Never play the waiting game. Either find a way to do it with the skills you have, or find something else to do. (As others have mentioned the 50 Sisters of Eve epic arc missions can be done in a destroyer). www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
New player with questions? Just want to chat? Join my public channel in game:-áHouse Forelli |
Amonios Zula
Aeon Ascendant
28
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Posted - 2014.09.24 22:39:00 -
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When I first started i was "almost" in the same place as the OP. bought an Omen with my first 10 mil and could i hell fly it. two weeks in and a cruiser just didn't work, thankfully I realised the mistake before getting blown up and went back to flying my Executioner.
Definitely follow the skill plan posted by Ralph and stick with frigates, bigger really is NOT better in EVE. not when you don't know how to fly, ships tend to go bang a lot though when you rush in. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
638
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Posted - 2014.09.25 04:39:00 -
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a vexor probably shouldn't be getting wrecked in a lv2 mission regardless of pretty much anything. that said adding hull upgrades 5 probably won't change that. I mean hull upgrades 5 is a great skill to have... just not when you are 2 weeks old. You can trust me, I have a monocole |
Yoshiro Kusanagi
EVE University Ivy League
10
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Posted - 2014.09.25 05:20:00 -
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Hi, sorry to ask this question here.
But I also just started not long(1 month actually but never really play it everyday due to RL) My current skill plan is pretty much just balancing all my core ships skills, but when i found anything interesting to try like exploring or PI. I stop my current plan and change over to the lower levels of the related skills like remote sensing, or scanning.
However, I am currently waiting for Drones V to be trained after thinking for a while (it's a long wait after all), as I believe having 1 more drone will assist in whatever i am doing, like killing rats from missions. Is this way of thinking wrong?
thanks. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2769
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Posted - 2014.09.25 07:47:00 -
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Drones V is one of those skills everybody should have, that 1 more drone can save your bacon so I wouldn't say that training decision was a bad one. At some point you just have to commit to those few days long skills because there's only so much of shorter skill levels. Invalid signature format |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4528
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Posted - 2014.09.25 09:22:00 -
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Yoshiro Kusanagi wrote:Hi, sorry to ask this question here.
But I also just started not long(1 month actually but never really play it everyday due to RL) My current skill plan is pretty much just balancing all my core ships skills, but when i found anything interesting to try like exploring or PI. I stop my current plan and change over to the lower levels of the related skills like remote sensing, or scanning.
However, I am currently waiting for Drones V to be trained after thinking for a while (it's a long wait after all), as I believe having 1 more drone will assist in whatever i am doing, like killing rats from missions. Is this way of thinking wrong?
thanks.
This is the correct way of thinking IMO.
Pick a skillplan for a longer time, but don't go mental on it, don't be afraid to take 1 or 2 days to train some other skills that lets you try other things.
As for Drones V...that is sort of a must have (I would even count that one as one of the core skills in EVE). Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
Sanjaro Chent-Shi
Keeping it Simple
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:25:00 -
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Thanks a lot for answers. With your help guys i started to understand my problem. I'm according to this newbie skillplan and i found low sp fit for my Vexor and it's doing pretty good job now Also i've got an invite to PVP minded corp with trainings for people like me, so i consider for now to join there. Meanwhile i'm gonna try to master exploring in low-sec, because grinding in high-sec all the time is not for me. Now i'm training these short skills and they open doors for me.
Thanks again to everyone and have fun in space! o/ |
Areen Sassel
33
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:27:00 -
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Toshiro Hasegawa wrote: vexor is a good cruiser .. but for a new player using a drone boat may not be the best idea .. btu who knows .. could work ..
Quite the opposite, I feel. In a drone boat, much of the unpleasantness happens somewhere you are not. The ship itself is relatively safe, especially if one is alert to keeping the range open and even warping out if the enemy closes down the range to bring significant firepower to bear.
... and that means one can use a smaller ship. The OP doesn't need a cruiser, if you ask me; they want a drone destroyer. I did L2s in a Dragoon, and it's plain sailing even with quite low skills. Until targets big enough to justify medium drones turn up, a cruiser can bring no more drone firepower to bear than a dessie, and if it does go pear-shaped it hurts a great deal less when a destroyer hull gets popped. |
Solette Cheli
University of Caille Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:00:00 -
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I love the vexor. It's great (for nullsec anoms, anyway), I just can't afford a VNI yet so I'm still using mediums.. Try speed tanking, which is tanking using speed. You can hit ~1000m/s using a 100mn ab (oversized) and then you can just orbit something (MTU?) far out (I do 50km) and then just sit and watch, once everything that's red boxing you is dead, manually target/kill the remaining things (Some things won't attack you because you're too far away), and then go to MTU, scoop/loot, warp out. Or w/e. |
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Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
155
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:54:00 -
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J'Poll wrote: I know why you are stuck:
2 weeks & Vexor.
In 2 weeks NO way you can be a sufficient trained frigate pilot, let alone a cruiser
Lol, I flew L4s in a Raven after 5 weeks. Was it effective? Hell no! Was it fun figuring out fittings and tactics to beat missions like this? Definitely.
Flying a cruiser in L2s should be no problem at all after 2 weeks. I suspect the problem is more fitting than skill related.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4173
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:33:00 -
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Jessica Duranin wrote:J'Poll wrote: I know why you are stuck:
2 weeks & Vexor.
In 2 weeks NO way you can be a sufficient trained frigate pilot, let alone a cruiser
Lol, I flew L4s in a Raven after 5 weeks. Was it effective? Hell no! Was it fun figuring out fittings and tactics to beat missions like this? Definitely. Flying a cruiser in L2s should be no problem at all after 2 weeks. I suspect the problem is more fitting than skill related. It largely depends on the player's ability to problem-solve and deal with frustration, disappointment, and even loss.
Those having trouble should take a step back and re-evaluate their situation.
Everything that happens to you in EVE, good or bad, is because of something you did, or didn't do. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2787
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Posted - 2014.09.26 10:11:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:Everything that happens to you in EVE, good or bad, is because of something you did, or didn't do.
They should put that in every ad campaign they run.
Followed by: "Make your decision to play be last bad decision you ever make". Invalid signature format |
William Ruben
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
64
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:14:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote: Everything that happens to you in EVE, good or bad, is because of something you did, or didn't do.
Very correct.
Of course I am having a difficult time thinking of something that would not be included in the set so defined |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4177
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:02:00 -
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William Ruben wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote: Everything that happens to you in EVE, good or bad, is because of something you did, or didn't do.
Very correct. Of course I am having a difficult time thinking of something that would not be included in the set so defined That's the point.
Some people blame others or game mechanics for their misfortune, and only take credit for the positives.
Example: Having trouble with the tutorials typically means one is not actually reading and understanding the information being provided. Sure, the tutorials could use some work still (example: the RP text could be removed to present only the salient points). |
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