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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:30:00 -
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Greetings Spaceship Fighting Enthusiasts,
Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didnGÇÖt have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship? Well, have I got the extremely rough prototype for you to try out on Duality! Introducing: Dojos!
As immortalized in the coolest video ever, IGÇÖve done a lot of programming for EVE tournaments over the past couple years, so when I found myself with a couple months of spare time, we thought itGÇÖd be a good idea for me to take a stab at seeing what kind of experience I could craft around that style of gameplay while staying true to the sandbox of EVE.
There are four strong guiding principles that I applied while doing this:
- Fights need to be un-screw-with-able. We strongly feel that if whatGÇÖs supposed to be a GÇ£fairGÇ¥ match given a set of predetermined rules is thrown off course by outside influence, it invalidates the whole premise.
- Outside of the actual matches, there should be ways to screw with the dojo itself
- We should cater as much as possible to the participant that wants a quick, easy PvP fix.
- Players should run the whole thing, with the game providing no economic value to participants nor organizers
So, some details on what the prototype turned out to be. ThereGÇÖs a personal deployable that you can obtain from item redeption on Duality that when put into space and stocked with ships and modules (itGÇÖs huge), provides players docked in that system with the ability to fight each other with those ships and modules in fair environment. ItGÇÖs currently limited to 1 pilot on each side, and ships worth 4 points or less given the AT-XII points values.
Players on Duality can find dojos to fight at through the extremely aptly labeled GÇ£CalculatorGÇ¥ entry in the GÇ£BusinessGÇ¥ area of the Neocom. You need to be calculating to win! Turns out itGÇÖs easier to copy another Neocom entryGÇÖs stuff than to make your own. ItGÇÖs that kind of prototype folks. Anyway, hereGÇÖs a look at the screen that awaits the intrepid dojo fighter:
On the left here youGÇÖve got a breakdown of all the types of ships/modules/ammo/whatever that are stocked in the dojo ready for use. On the left, youGÇÖve got all of your personal and corporation fittings with handy XGÇÖs or check marks depending on if all of the types used in the fitting are available in the dojo. Highlight one thatGÇÖs fully available, hit GÇ£Select FittingGÇ¥, and youGÇÖll notice in the bottom left your entry in your team listing now shows what ship youGÇÖve picked. It would have a button that shows the full fitting but I havenGÇÖt gotten around to that yet. From there, hit GÇ£Ready!GÇ¥ and youGÇÖre off to the worldGÇÖs worst matchmaking!
Once matched up with another player in the dojo, youGÇÖre both whisked away directly from station to your ships, assembled from the items in the dojo, in a deadspace pocket placed randomly in space thatGÇÖs guarded from people warping to it - theyGÇÖll warp to the dojo deployable if they try.
YouGÇÖll need to load up ammo because IGÇÖve had some problems doing that automatically, but itGÇÖs a fine way to spend the 40 second pre-game time. YouGÇÖll also quickly notice that IGÇÖve dumped you directly in the center of the fight area, because I didn't implement a range selector. I probably should have done that. Oh well.
I did of course implement boundary violations at the customary 125km. My priorities are clear.
I think thatGÇÖs enough words about it. If this looks interesting to you, hop on over to Duality and take a spin. Instructions on how to do that are right over here. IGÇÖve set up an extremely simple dojo in FD-MLJ, but IGÇÖm sure someone who knows 1-1s way better than I do will set up a well-stocked dojo that will satisfy all your frigate fighting fantasies. If your account is inactive on Duality, post on over here and it'll get take care of maybe.
If youGÇÖve got ideas about how it could be better, or different points/pilot count combinations to try, IGÇÖm all ears. If you think this is a terrible idea, I look forward to your well-reasoned arguments. In either case hit it up quick GÇÿcause come Friday night I turn into a pumpkin.
LetGÇÖs have some fun killing each other repeatedly, ~CCP Veritas CCP Veritas - Technical Director - EVE Online |
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Aakkonen
The 0rigin Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:34:00 -
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Sounds very cool feature, gonna check it out :D have a like. Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7 |
Anthar Thebess
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:41:00 -
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Can we link this to SOV timers, wining guy wins the timer ^^ Support Needed : Jump Fuel Consumption Support Needed : Faction Crystal Changes |
Michal Jita
Lords Of The Universe
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:42:00 -
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Is that a project that is possible going to be on TQ sometime in future?
Might be liable to abuse in some wicked ways. |
Aakkonen
The 0rigin Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:43:00 -
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Michal Jita wrote:Is that a project that is possible going to be on TQ sometime in future?
Might be liable to abuse in some wicked ways.
thats prolly it stays in duality (I hope) it could be cool on SiSi though... Bad Jokes since -09.... Fly Safe! o7 |
Adrie Atticus
The Shadow Plague The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:43:00 -
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In b4 "THIS NEEDS TO GIVE A GLADIATOR TITLE". |
Noriko Mai
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:44:00 -
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Woooooooooooooot? Will try asap! -Æ-ï-¦-+-Ç-ï! -Æ-ï-¦-+-Ç-ï! -Ü-¦-+-¦-+-¦-¦-é-ï - -+-+-¦-+-Ç-ï! | -ô-¦-+-¦-+-¦-¦-+-¦ |
elissa ferman
Jaeger Bombers
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:45:00 -
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Question: Loosing a ship AND getting podded included? I would not like to see a thing like the simulator in Wingcommander in the game. I want all the pew pew to be the exiting one where you fly your multi million/billion ship to space and fear being podded. And I would fear that these situations get less and less if people can hide in sideffect free PVP, although it would raise the communities PVP Skills.
Just my 2 cents. As always: Let the features come ;)
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Precision Zero
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:46:00 -
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Where is the dislike button? |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:51:00 -
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Precision Zero wrote:Where is the dislike button?
I think it starts to display once you've actually tried the feature CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:54:00 -
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This has a considerable amount of promise and I know I will be popping onto Duality to have a play around with these things.
To all who may be bemoan the end of consensual TQ pvp, note that this is a prototype, on a server that "doesnt matter", and may not ever make it past being a thing on duality. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Winthorp
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:54:00 -
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Precision Zero wrote:Where is the dislike button?
THIS.
I can't believe this is happening actually. Am very disappoint.
The slippery slope has begun... |
Archetype 66
Epsilon Lyr Nulli Secunda
166
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:55:00 -
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Is this your parting gift CCP veritas ?
Vincit Omnia Veritas |
El Space Mariachi
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
148
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:55:00 -
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"aaaaaah instances!!!!!!!!!!" - eve playerbase
I hope this rolls out on TQ so I can abuse it and send link alts to unprobable deadspace pockets in a random system gay gamers for jesus |
Baali Tekitsu
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
640
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:56:00 -
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#spartan RATE LIKE SUBSCRIBE |
Arline Kley
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
400
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:58:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Stuff of Win and Awesome
One question: Is this limited to low/null sec or can it be deployed in high sec as well? Blessed are those that carry the Empress' Light; with it they destroy the shadows |
Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.09.25 10:59:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Precision Zero wrote:Where is the dislike button? I think it starts to display once you've actually tried the feature
it doesn't matter how good dojos are, it really shouldn't be in eve to begin with.
the premise is dislikable and no amount of "awesome features" will change that, i'd wager. note: this is sort of the opposite of burner missions. good premise with poor implimentation. this is a poor premise that's probably going to be introduced well... the irony. |
Aram Kachaturian
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
99
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:00:00 -
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Less gaming contents, more clothes and jewels for the store plz. Official Poster:-áhttp://i.imgur.com/oTdKSTi.jpg (Limited stock, contact me to order) |
Tetsel
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:01:00 -
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Woot, EVE's finally becoming a real MMO (at least on duality) with instance and battle arena !!! AWWW YEAH !!!
Next announcement: 5vs5 battle arena instance MOBA Style IN SAPCE, Riot buy CCP.
Tin foil hat ON Loyal servent to Mother Amamake. @EVE_Tetsel |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
1016
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:02:00 -
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AWESOME!
Sleep tight sweet prince Veritas :( You will be missed deeply. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
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Sala Cameron
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:02:00 -
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sounds neat, will test out later. @sala_cameron |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
897
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:03:00 -
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can you put in a bulls-eye with Rise's face on it too shoot please?
can you tell I'm still miffed at his eagle hating ways Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic. Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please |
Infrequent
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:06:00 -
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I can see this replacing highsec duels, or just being a way to mess around on Sisi, either way +1 and let the bitter vet "slippery slope" tears commence, actually it seems they've already begun since people seem to fail to understand that this ISN'T ON TQ. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:08:00 -
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CCP Veritas wrote:Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didnGÇÖt have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship?
is this really the crowd you think should be rewarded?, do you really think sugar coated bullshit pvp is going to add anything to the sandbox? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous. |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
140
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:09:00 -
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Good. Instanced combat as an option is a very good inclusion into the game.
The dueling system is a fail because of the lack of guarantee of a fair fight, a "duel" by definition is between two entities. This new feature allows this to be possible for the first time, which is a breathe of fresh air for many players.
It's funny how the naysayers never claim that the Alliance Tournament doesn't belong in EVE. Like as if that isn't the same thing, with the exception that it's organized by CCP instead of members.
If two members want to engage in combat with no chance of outside interference, that is their choice. If a third person has a problem with this, don't use the system. Why should they have the right to control how two other entities play the game? Are they affected by this? No.
The only people who are affected by this are those who are used to duel baiting and will see less action as a result. In essence, players that don't like to fight fair. That's fine, go to lowsec or nullsec and fight dirty. Don't take our option to play fair with one another away because you don't like to chance losing a ship, hence your 5 logistics alt parked in station.
+1 |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
592
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:09:00 -
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So you want to make an Instance in Eve which allows two player to fight. I don't understand why this is even in development. This idea is everything that Eve isn't. Eve isn't fair, Eve isn't safe. Its one server where anyone can shoot anyone. You are basically taking one of the core values of the game and smashing it with a Theme park MMO hammer.
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Winthorp
2742
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:10:00 -
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Infrequent wrote:I can see this replacing highsec duels, or just being a way to mess around on Sisi, either way +1 and let the bitter vet "slippery slope" tears commence, actually it seems they've already begun since people seem to fail to understand that this ISN'T ON TQ.
You fail to grasp the concept of slippery slope when you say it isn't on TQ......
Is it people with your intelligence this feature will cater for i wonder? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:12:00 -
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This isn't on TQ. However, long term, it may be. (Note the may.)
This isn't a way to get rid of non-consensual PvP. It's a way to let people have consensual fights in a place where loss is meaningful.
There's an appetite for it, after all. (See RvB, for example).
As for 'slippery slope', that's an argument that's very hard to go against. Without a time machine, to look into the future, to see if anything has changed. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire
1016
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:14:00 -
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dexington wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Have you ever wanted a little pewpew but didnGÇÖt have the time to find a fight, or even fit a ship? is this really the crowd you think should be rewarded?, do you really think sugar coated bullshit pvp is going to add anything to the sandbox?
I see this as a low entry tournament environment, and I for one can't see AT or NEO as sugar coated bullshit pvp. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com |
Varesk
Origin. Black Legion.
593
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Posted - 2014.09.25 11:16:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Precision Zero wrote:Where is the dislike button? I think it starts to display once you've actually tried the feature
why try a feature that has no reason even being in a prototype stage. Eve isn't an instanced theme park mmo. |
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