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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1140
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:baltec1 wrote:Johnathan Coffey wrote: What if the "arena" is not static and changes places every 5min?
Does it? Its a random arena every time - or at least each DS pocket I used today seemed to be different ranges from parts of the system each time. I'll do further testing of course incase I was just blind. Please do, if its static then I can get in, if it swaps around then we can at least remove two underhand uses of it.
Definitely changes every time. I just ran a few matches v an alt, recording distance from sun and the dojo deployable every time. Anything from 3 AU to 12 AU off both each match. Obviously could be different in larger systems. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Xorth Adimus
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
45
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:15:00 -
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Two pods enter, one pod leaves..
Edit.. Also this needs a spectator mode so anyone in system can watch. |
Ruric Thyase
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
53
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ruric Thyase wrote:
Right, because when you take out a 7 man gang of t1 cruisers, its your fault for getting hotdropped by supers. You just didn't try hard enough and take a big enough risk to get "The good stuff"
Honestly, I would probably use the dojo with my corpmates. That at least is the biggest appeal I see for it. I think if you added larger fleets, betting/gambling, then it becomes a larger risk of affecting PvP I will agree. I do however think this has a lot of potential to be a great teaching tool, especially for new players.
As a tool for teaching and running events I like it, it just needs to lose the no messing around with fights mechanic.
How can you use it to teach people or use it for events if people can mess with the fight?
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Johnathan Coffey
EVE Corporation 25112592124
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Johnathan Coffey wrote: UNLESS the soloer gets a lot more targets and the blob gets only a few less (boring because helpless) targets.
soloer and blobber will not be getting more targets in the wider world if they are all in dojos will they? if they are all in dojos they are getting targets non-stop. that's kind of the point. First rule of EVE UI: right click EVERYTHING. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13345
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:17:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:baltec1 wrote: As a tool for teaching and running events I like it, it just needs to lose the no messing around with fights mechanic.
But that mechanic's exactly what makes it so useful a tool for teaching: the teacher and student can focus on the lesson being taught, rather than trying to teach while looking over your shoulder all the time.
That is the most important lesson in EVE by far. You don't need to be impossible to scan in order to teach people how to fight. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Belinda HwaFang
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
19
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:18:00 -
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Very nice to hear you are finally working on this kind of feature, even if it's currently a prototype.
This would be a great addition to EVE for new and old players alike and would definitely bring in interest from gamers that wouldn't normally try EVE as well as provide a platform for tournaments and training for CCP sanctioned tournaments.
Keep up the good work, looking forward to testing this.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13345
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:18:00 -
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Johnathan Coffey wrote: if they are all in dojos they are getting targets non-stop. that's kind of the point.
Which means the wider world PvP is being hurt. This is exactly what I am warning you people about, arenas suck pvp out of the rest of the world. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:20:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Johnathan Coffey wrote: if they are all in dojos they are getting targets non-stop. that's kind of the point.
Which means the wider world PvP is being hurt.
Translation :
I can't gank people looking for 1v1s, eve is dying.
HTFU and adapt, welcome to eve online. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13345
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:21:00 -
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Mangala Solaris wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mangala Solaris wrote:baltec1 wrote:Johnathan Coffey wrote: What if the "arena" is not static and changes places every 5min?
Does it? Its a random arena every time - or at least each DS pocket I used today seemed to be different ranges from parts of the system each time. I'll do further testing of course incase I was just blind. Please do, if its static then I can get in, if it swaps around then we can at least remove two underhand uses of it. Definitely changes every time. I just ran a few matches v an alt, recording distance from sun and the dojo deployable every time. Anything from 3 AU to 12 AU off both each match. Obviously could be different in larger systems.
Thank you.
Next up, can you test how long the matches last and can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
162
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: That is the most important lesson in EVE by far. You don't need to be impossible to scan in order to teach people how to fight.
It totally is the most important lesson in EVE. I agree with that 100%. That said, the most important lesson when learning to drive is 'everyone else on the road can **** up, too', but that doesn't mean the first few lessons of every Driver's Ed course don't take place in a controlled environment without other drivers, like a closed course, or a controlled school parking lot. |
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Ruric Thyase
Star Frontiers Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arrendis wrote:baltec1 wrote: As a tool for teaching and running events I like it, it just needs to lose the no messing around with fights mechanic.
But that mechanic's exactly what makes it so useful a tool for teaching: the teacher and student can focus on the lesson being taught, rather than trying to teach while looking over your shoulder all the time. That is the most important lesson in EVE by far. You don't need to be impossible to scan in order to teach people how to fight.
Learning to look over your shoulder is not a skill unique to PvP though and nor is it a skill that would require you to have a dojo for. Teaching someone how to make a safe spot, or bouncing to celestials is very easy for a new player to understand and if they make a mistake, the learn it the hard way. Trying to explain to someone the importance of angular velocity, optimal, falloff, tracking speed, explosion radius, are all things you can teach in that secure environment, minimize the damage done, practice and implement, and then use out in other situations.
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Tiran'Sol
Origin. Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:25:00 -
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I would love to be able to put a contract into the system to fight over. E.g. you win you automatically accept the contract (also leaves room for awesome scamming) |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
346
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Thank you.
Next up, can you test how long the matches last and can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them? Can't you do that..? Seriously, you spend all that time in this thread arguing and portray a notable personal interest in this feature/its abolishment, yet you cannot update Duality and try it yourself before attempting to debate everyone to the ground? |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?
Well, if it's 1v1 in frigates, I'd guess the answer is 'no'. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13345
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:29:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:baltec1 wrote: That is the most important lesson in EVE by far. You don't need to be impossible to scan in order to teach people how to fight.
It totally is the most important lesson in EVE. I agree with that 100%. That said, the most important lesson when learning to drive is 'everyone else on the road can **** up, too', but that doesn't mean the first few lessons of every Driver's Ed course don't take place in a controlled environment without other drivers, like a closed course, or a controlled school parking lot.
My first lesson involved a main road, a bus route and several encounters with 40ft Volvos Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society Affirmative.
346
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:29:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:baltec1 wrote: can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?
Well, if it's 1v1 in frigates, I'd guess the answer is 'no'. Let's hope we get on-grid boosting soon, so we can have larger ships in the Dojos :) |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13345
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:31:00 -
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Sephira Galamore wrote:baltec1 wrote:Thank you.
Next up, can you test how long the matches last and can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them? Can't you do that..? Seriously, you spend all that time in this thread arguing and portray a notable personal interest in this feature/its abolishment, yet you cannot update Duality and try it yourself before attempting to debate everyone to the ground?
No I cant. Hence why I am having to dig for info on the damn things. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
163
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:My first lesson involved a main road, a bus route and several encounters with 40ft Volvos
And this was in an actual Driver's Ed course that insurance companies give premium discounts for taking, and the State allows as credit toward getting your license a year early?
That must've been a heck of an environment to learn how to get a feel for the clutch in...
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13345
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:33:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:baltec1 wrote: can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?
Well, if it's 1v1 in frigates, I'd guess the answer is 'no'.
Wouldn't be the first time we broke something like this. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13345
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:34:00 -
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Arrendis wrote:baltec1 wrote:My first lesson involved a main road, a bus route and several encounters with 40ft Volvos And this was in an actual Driver's Ed course that insurance companies give premium discounts for taking, and the State allows as credit toward getting your license a year early? That must've been a heck of an environment to learn how to get a feel for the clutch in...
Its the UK. Over here you do the theory test and then get to it Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5895
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:37:00 -
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Xorth Adimus wrote:Two pods enter, one pod leaves..
Edit.. Also this needs a spectator mode so anyone in system can watch. Viewable on the screen in your captains quarters. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Shoddowbroker
xMONOLITHx The Gorgon Empire
2
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:39:00 -
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Honor PVP? Not in my eve! |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13347
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:40:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Xorth Adimus wrote:Two pods enter, one pod leaves..
Edit.. Also this needs a spectator mode so anyone in system can watch. Viewable on the screen in your captains quarters.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5895
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:43:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Xorth Adimus wrote:Two pods enter, one pod leaves..
Edit.. Also this needs a spectator mode so anyone in system can watch. Viewable on the screen in your captains quarters. We have 3km widescreens in space and you want a telly in a cupboard? Billboards would be good as well. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Tawa Suyo
MINOR THREAT.
76
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:43:00 -
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I do not understand how this impacts non-consensual PVP. The people using it would be consenting and the pacifists I imagine would not use it and thus be out in the open waiting for your gank.
Its important to note the idea is based around a deploy-able module that would be initiated by players. Its not a special part of space or separate star system implemented by CCP. It isn't a que you select at the log-in screen or a special server. It leaves it in the players hands to organize the event, invite other players, gather modules, etc.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5895
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:45:00 -
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Yeah, unless something is broken you can only take frigates into the match/arena.
I'm more concerned as to whether a booster in system affects frigates in the arena... hopefully not.
Veritas said in his OP that he hadn't set up anything special for Concord... meaning that you'll likely have Concord interrupt your duel if you attempt one in high sec currently. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1141
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Thank you.
Next up, can you test how long the matches last and can you get a booster tengu/command ship in them?
5 Minute match duration - or sooner if one party wins.
trying to warp a 3rd party to yourself in arena doesnt work.
Placing all the parts for a booster in the dojo, then selecting that as your ship for the match, DOES work.
You can be fleeted with people who are in these arenas, as can they you if you are in them. However they will not be able to warp to you.
I can see a couple of ways of how abuses could happen, but it means some serious multitask work, having one of these stocked and up in each system you run in and so much more - assuming someone would try to abuse the link alt aspect. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
5895
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:47:00 -
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Also, I should point out that my opinion on this is influenced by the fact that I often have an alt in RvB, where arranged matches with your friends have absolutely no impact your desire to engage in other forms of PVP.... usually in large groups with those self same friends. If you like EVE Online and War Thunder content stop by my YouTube channel.-á
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1141
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:51:00 -
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Okay, I got to within 50k km of the "arena" by warping to my alt. However this was in a bugged arena that had no timer or anything, do not take this as gospel. RvB Ganked: EVE's Number One Public Roam |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13348
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:51:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Yeah, unless something is broken you can only take frigates into the match/arena.
I'm more concerned as to whether a booster in system affects frigates in the arena... hopefully not.
Veritas said in his OP that he hadn't set up anything special for Concord... meaning that you'll likely have Concord interrupt your duel if you attempt one in high sec currently.
I would expect boosters to work given that CCP have yet to solve off grid boosting. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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