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Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.09.25 13:34:00 -
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Its only fair that both sides have their own thread.
Viola!
To start out:
- Buff rats in belts. Give them web/scram/smartbombs. The longer someone sits in a belt, the stronger class of rat spawns in.
- NPC corps of opposing factions are at war by default, mirroring FW.
- Remove local. If you want to see local, youll need to be in a corp, and the corp will pay a tax to connect to the local intel.
- Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.
- Move ALL level 4 missions to lowsec, and increase the payouts.
- Remove highsec incursions, or dramatically decrease the payouts. There is no risk for the current meta.
- Ships in NPC corps must pay docking fees each time they dock up.
- NPC players cant undock in anything larger than a cruiser hull.
- If you are operating in a lower-sec part of highsec, you get pirate FACPO-style response if you have a super-positive sec status.
- Killing a -5 or below in highsec adds "tags" to their wreck, purchasable by NPC's at CONCORD stations (similar to WH loot). Does not spawn if CONCORD is on the KM. The more badass the pirate, the more ISK his tags are worth.
- Miners whom deplete a belt are fined, and assessed a sec status hit.
Edit: Allow players to JOIN FACPO corps. FACPO-players would be able to engage the same level of sec status player that would have spawned the NPC version. (-2 in 1.0, ect) Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:27:00 -
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6.5 maybe a 7 even, not bad keep it coming |
Iain Cariaba
364
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:32:00 -
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Time to dig out the hip waders, tear flood is going to be deep on this one. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:37:00 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:6.5 maybe a 7 even, not bad keep it coming
I figured at least a 7.5 or 8...
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
181
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:38:00 -
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With that kind of plaform Leto Thule you'd get my vote for CSM |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
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Posted - 2014.09.25 18:37:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Time to dig out the hip waders, tear flood is going to be deep on this one. Hip waders? I'm considering breaking out an Ark
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
310
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Posted - 2014.09.25 18:39:00 -
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I've been thinking along these lines in light of the recent spate of "protect me CCP" threads. I think an interesting solution might be to penalize both parties in any altercations.
Assumptions: Concord pays part of its budget by the administration of war DEC fees. Concord administrative controls sets security penalties and rewards. Concord does no investigation of events, as shown by noob baiting, it just blasts everyone involved and drops security ratings.
So to keep with that thinking then logically then concord should just come in with smart bombs blazing and clear the whole grid with security hits for all.
This pushes the concord pay us wardec racket. This clears up problems like jita undock and forces players to be smarter about where and how the operate. And finally it solves the is-box fleet question in one simple step.
It is just "CCP protect me" taken in a very extreme form really. |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.09.25 18:44:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:With that kind of plaform Leto Thule you'd get my vote for CSM
I promise, if I am elected to the CSM, that I will enjoy my free trip to iceland, and get extremely wasted while lobbying for nerfs to the nerfers. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5169
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Posted - 2014.09.25 18:50:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:With that kind of plaform Leto Thule you'd get my vote for CSM I promise, if I am elected to the CSM, that I will enjoy my free trip to iceland, and get extremely wasted while lobbying for nerfs to the nerfers. Give this man a seat right now! =]I[= |
Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
310
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Posted - 2014.09.25 18:54:00 -
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+1 a vote for Thule is a vote for a safer and more civil Hi-Sec |
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Absolutely Not Analt
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:05:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:With that kind of plaform Leto Thule you'd get my vote for CSM I promise, if I am elected to the CSM, that I will enjoy my free trip to iceland, and get extremely wasted while lobbying for nerfs to the nerfers. Give this man a seat right now!
+1 Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:13:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Its only fair that both sides have their own thread. Viola! To start out:
- Buff rats in belts. Give them web/scram/smartbombs. The longer someone sits in a belt, the stronger class of rat spawns in.
- NPC corps of opposing factions are at war by default, mirroring FW.
- Remove local. If you want to see local, youll need to be in a corp, and the corp will pay a tax to connect to the local intel.
- Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.
- Move ALL level 4 missions to lowsec, and increase the payouts.
- Remove highsec incursions, or dramatically decrease the payouts. There is no risk for the current meta.
- Ships in NPC corps must pay docking fees each time they dock up.
- NPC players cant undock in anything larger than a cruiser hull.
- If you are operating in a lower-sec part of highsec, you get pirate FACPO-style response if you have a super-positive sec status.
- Killing a -5 or below in highsec adds "tags" to their wreck, purchasable by NPC's at CONCORD stations (similar to WH loot). Does not spawn if CONCORD is on the KM. The more badass the pirate, the more ISK his tags are worth.
- Miners whom deplete a belt are fined, and assessed a sec status hit.
Edit: Allow players to JOIN FACPO corps. FACPO-players would be able to engage the same level of sec status player that would have spawned the NPC version. (-2 in 1.0, ect)
Being unable to leave corp if you are under war dec is unrealistic. I've lived in nullsec for most of my 10 years in EVE and I've seldom had a reprieve from being under wardec. This should also be a tip to anyone who considers rage-decing a null sec entity. Logistics are ALREADY organised around wardecs because wardecs are constant. Adding one more wardec to the list isn't going to change things one iota. All it's going to do is make YOU a target.
As for high-sec carebears. We all need them. We need cheap minerals, we need a good supply of T1 and T2 items, we sometimes like the meta 4 stuff to be on the market. If you ask me, I don't give a rat's patoot if someone in high-sec is making a decent wage keeping the market stocked. I appreciate the fact that they do it. full stop.
Even though I'm one of those people who can literally make every T1 and T2 module/ship I need, my personal doom scenario in EVE would be if the supply chain broke down and I had to do all that work myself. For some strange reason people moan about so-called care bears but the way I see it, they are not only contributing, but CRITICAL to the EVE economy. I'll never complain about care bears because they save me massive amounts of time. In some ways this is an approximation of the real world economy too.... outsourcing offers speed for a price and it's not for no reason that it's one of the biggest industries on the planet.
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Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:16:00 -
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I support all of these suggestions and would vote for Leto Thule. Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1368
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:23:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
Being unable to leave corp if you are under war dec is unrealistic. I've lived in nullsec for most of my 10 years in EVE and I've seldom had a reprieve from being under wardec. This should also be a tip to anyone who considers rage-decing a null sec entity. Logistics are ALREADY organised around wardecs because wardecs are constant. Adding one more wardec to the list isn't going to change things one iota. All it's going to do is make YOU a target.
As for high-sec carebears. We all need them. We need cheap minerals, we need a good supply of T1 and T2 items, we sometimes like the meta 4 stuff to be on the market. If you ask me, I don't give a rat's patoot if someone in high-sec is making a decent wage keeping the market stocked. I appreciate the fact that they do it. full stop.
Even though I'm one of those people who can literally make every T1 and T2 module/ship I need, my personal doom scenario in EVE would be if the supply chain broke down and I had to do all that work myself. For some strange reason people moan about so-called care bears but the way I see it, they are not only contributing, but CRITICAL to the EVE economy. I'll never complain about care bears because they save me massive amounts of time. In some ways this is an approximation of the real world economy too.... outsourcing offers speed for a price and it's not for no reason that it's one of the biggest industries on the planet.
The problem is not the care bears, Tinu. The problem is the fact that someone in highsec is making more money than someone in nullsec. Carebearing (in any sec) is in fact, an unavoidable cornerstone of EvE. We all do it if we must to make money. However, the repeated requests to make EvE's high sec a candyland risk free zone are what we must stop.
As for your views on wardecs, if someone makes themselves a target, so be it. That's their call. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
186
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:42:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:This should also be a tip to anyone who considers rage-decing a null sec entity. Logistics are ALREADY organised around wardecs because wardecs are constant. Adding one more wardec to the list isn't going to change things one iota. All it's going to do is make YOU a target.
Have you seen the stats on the marmite war dec on brave newbies? That's a war dec corp vs a null sec entity, and marmite are winning by a huge margin. Of course sometimes the opposite is true. TRI are doing okay against them atm.
Also, many of us were carebears once. But many learn that the game can offer more fun. What is the problem encouraging players to increase their fun? I don't think carebears are a problem though. The real problem is those who want to change the game to suit carebears even more.
Who really came to EvE to become a carebear? I can accept if players do that but there are better choices of game out there for those guys. I picked EvE because I wanted to blow stuff up in a complex world filled with other people. |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1368
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Posted - 2014.09.25 19:55:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote: Who really came to EvE to become a carebear?
I DID!!!
I had absolutely no idea what it was about.
I thank Break-a-wish, Cannibal Kane, and Psychotic Monk for showing me that EvE had more to it than shooting red crosses!
Carebears, I am proof! You can change too! Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:00:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:
The problem is not the care bears, Tinu. The problem is the fact that someone in highsec is making more money than someone in nullsec.
I really couldn't give a rat's ass about this. In terms of reward vs. risk, high-sec is (and always has been) a pretty good deal.
It's also boring as snot for people who actually play EVE the way it was intended. That said, there are a great many players who tuf-tuf around high sec and support the PVP habits of the relatively limited number of players who fancy themselves the EVE elite.
The fact of teh matter is, however, that the chest thumping too-much-chest-hair swaggalicious minority who think they're too sexy for their kestrels are actually not the majority of EVE players at all. Moreover, we owe our lifestyle to those who putter around and fill the market with the things we buy.
Personally, it's doesn't matter to me at all if someone makes their money on modules that they made in high-sec, low-sec or null-sec. In fact, economically speaking, the high-sec producers are my best friends becasue they can make things with the least amount of overhead. If a high-sec producer becomes rich.... MEH.... who cares. What matters is that the economy works.
This whole idea that nullsec should be the only major isk faucet is a bunch of arrogant crap, imho.
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Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
186
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:08:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Renegade Heart wrote: Who really came to EvE to become a carebear?
I DID!!! I had absolutely no idea what it was about. I thank Break-a-wish, Cannibal Kane, and Psychotic Monk for showing me that EvE had more to it than shooting red crosses! Carebears, I am proof! You can change too!
Well I am wrong a lot, so that is proof I guess. Good job those guys showed you the light! |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:11:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
This whole idea that nullsec should be the only major isk faucet is a bunch of arrogant crap, imho.
T-
You sir, are looking for a fight that doesnt exist. I am not saying nullsec should be the only isk faucet, and I am damn sure not a highsec chest beater. I barely even venture there. That does not change my views on the effects nerfs to highsec have on the rest of EvE.
EvE is based on risk vs reward, correct? ( Yes ) Ok good.
My point is not that Highsec shouldnt be able to sustain players, my point is that BETTER ways to make money should come with more risks. I dont care where things are manufactured, but I DO care that nobody missions in lowsec because they can make just as much money in highsec. Industry doesnt even factor into what I am saying.
Its the point of conflict drivers. If there is no reason to go to non-secure space, nobody will.
So yes, I do in fact think that you should be able to make substantially more ISK by living in Null, Low, or WH space. Why? Because its dangerous.
Edit: To further clarify, you seem to be thinking I have some desire to fight industrial players or mess with the economy. I dont. I want to see the game expand, and I want to see players attracted to other areas. The only way that happens.... is to give those areas something that cannot be found within the security blanket of highsec. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Froggy Storm
Paragon Trust The Bastion
314
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:20:00 -
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I wouldn't object at all to hisec having all the most profitable avenues around if the denizens didn't then screetch to the top of their lungs at any spot of adversity or interruption by another player.
Hisec is safer that it was when I started with nerfs and safeties. Mechanics that could get you killed are blocked and have double check messages. And yet the crys still echo up the mountains and across the forums. |
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Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:39:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:
Edit: To further clarify, you seem to be thinking I have some desire to fight industrial players or mess with the economy. I dont. I want to see the game expand, and I want to see players attracted to other areas. The only way that happens.... is to give those areas something that cannot be found within the security blanket of highsec.
Years ago I would have agreed with you.
But the fact is, the ISK in EVE -- on the level of an individual player -- is not in nullsec. Ratting is good and you can make 100mil an hour on that but even that is peanuts. T2 production in high-sec makes 100mil per real-life hour per character if you know what you're doing and the risk is minimal.
The point being that we have to let go of the idea that big money *should* be in nullsec. It simply isn't. It never has been. On the alliance level it works differently but individual players who are ratting or mining in null sec and thinking they're getting the best deal in EVE would appear to have missed the point.
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Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:48:00 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
But the fact is, the ISK in EVE -- on the level of an individual player -- is not in nullsec. Ratting is good and you can make 100mil an hour on that but even that is peanuts. T2 production in high-sec makes 100mil per real-life hour per character if you know what you're doing and the risk is minimal.
I cant dispute this, as I know absolutely nothing about running a manufacturing or trade empire. And you know what? Kudos to the guys who can do this. The best thing about them... is that they arent the ones asking for the risk mitigation. They understand that blown up ships mean more sales.
This post is geared towards the nerfmongers. The miners, the mission runners, the explorers... who want interaction with other players to be optional. Please also take that in context. I am not referring to ALL miners, mission runners, or explorers. Just the ones who cry about being blown up. The ones who want MY game to change so it is easier for them.
This is still EvE. Its suppose to be rough, right? Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Azov Rassau
The Hornets Cartel
81
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:50:00 -
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Posting in a stealth "NerfConcord BuffGanking UnbanErotica1 NerfAfkCloaking BringbackBoomerangGanking BuffWardecs RemoveConcord RemoveHighsec RemoveMining Codealwayswins PsychoticmonkforCSM" thread.
Other than that, the ideas are actually pretty good, especially this one:
Leto Thule wrote: Buff rats in belts. Give them web/scram/smartbombs. The longer someone sits in a belt, the stronger class of rat spawns in
^This needs to happen in 0.5 systems. Buff the belt rats. Not only their DPS and tank, but also that well-known Gurista ECM which most miners complain about (actually it looks like they complain about everything). I believe it can be an effective way of reducing excessive AFK mining in high sec.
Buff the Guristas!
No AFKing. -áSafety First. -áUse D-Scan, Check Local. -áBe Alert. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
455
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Posted - 2014.09.25 20:58:00 -
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Came hoping to hear about my promised Thanatos. Am not yet satisfied. If Leto wants my vote for CSM, I need that Thanny.
And preferably a Fedo.
I'm getting...hungry.... CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Jebediah Beane
Tit-EE Sprinkles Stratagem.
17
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Posted - 2014.09.25 21:25:00 -
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If those changes were to be implemented the highsec bears would run from Eve in droves. CCP will never step that far...
Leto Thule wrote:Its only fair that both sides have their own thread.
Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that.
I do see potential with this statement above however... I would suggest that instead of a member not being allowed to leave during a war whatsoever, expand that to where a corp member or corporation may not leave an alliance for 7 days during a war (You click the leave button and are immediately entered into a 7 day stasis). Whilst, the aggressor may still choose to continue the wardec for as long as needed. I'd imagine this would really enhance the current functionality of the broken wardec system.
I'll also agree with you to a point that the NPC corporations current implementation and purpose needs a complete overhaul. It is way too much of a safe haven from the intent of what Eve is all about. |
Kaely Tanniss
Aurora Novae Aetatis
45
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Posted - 2014.09.25 21:37:00 -
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I support this this thread and most of the actions proposed by the OP..with some adjustments. +1
It seems those carebears who constantly complain about people telling them how to play the game are doing the very thing they complain about..
I've got my bathing suit ready for the wave of tears this thread will bring. If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it.. |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
417
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Posted - 2014.09.25 21:41:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Came hoping to hear about my promised Thanatos. Am not yet satisfied. If Leto wants my vote for CSM, I need that Thanny.
And preferably a Fedo.
I'm getting...hungry....
Oh my god.. I still haven't sent you that... god I'm such a tool. I'm making a reminder in my phone. Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
417
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Posted - 2014.09.25 21:43:00 -
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Azov Rassau wrote:Posting in a stealth "NerfConcord BuffGanking UnbanErotica1 NerfAfkCloaking BringbackBoomerangGanking BuffWardecs RemoveConcord RemoveHighsec RemoveMining Codealwayswins PsychoticmonkforCSM" thread.
Stealth? Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
457
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Posted - 2014.09.25 22:18:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Oh my god.. I still haven't sent you that... god I'm such a tool. I'm making a reminder in my phone. Confirming that Tengu Grib is, in fact, a tool. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
124
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Posted - 2014.09.25 22:56:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Tinu Moorhsum wrote:This should also be a tip to anyone who considers rage-decing a null sec entity. Logistics are ALREADY organised around wardecs because wardecs are constant. Adding one more wardec to the list isn't going to change things one iota. All it's going to do is make YOU a target. Have you seen the stats on the marmite war dec on brave newbies? That's a war dec corp vs a null sec entity, and marmite are winning by a huge margin.
That's because we're always recruiting newbies that dont know any better who Marmites then farm. Eventuly they learn not to go to trade hubs. BRAVE doesn't even try to fight Marmites as an organization; itd just be a pain in the ass. If we showed up in a bunch of.. well anything, theyd just dock. |
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