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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.09.29 05:05:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:personally I think it's great that you can earn more in highsec than in some parts of nullsec. Lot's of nullsec is ridiculously safe, highsec, where you can't shoot at the guys who may be coming to kill you, is actually significantly more dangerous, and deserves higher rewards. As for making highsec incursions CONCORD free zones, good luck with that, lolz, they will be just as desolate as nullsec incursions. The only reason nullsec appears safer than highsec is because it's easier to tell who the hostiles are, NBSI and all. It still boils down to the fact that everyone in null is able to shoot you with zero repercussions, where in highsec only those willing to become criminals will shoot at you. Now that doesn't mean highsec is safe, merely that the potential for the neutral beside you to be an enemy is reduced below sure certainty. Keeping your wits about you in null will keep you safe, applying the same philosophies to highsec gives you total security. So no, highsec doesn't deserve higher rewards.
As far as incursions becoming dead zones if they become Concord free areas, I'm still waiting on how lowering the amount of people milking these generally risk free isk printers is a bad thing. You were even pontificating in another thread about the inflation of EvE's economy, well inflation is caused by an excess of currency, so lowering the influx of isk coming from highsec incursions can only be good. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
103
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Posted - 2014.09.29 05:22:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:
As far as incursions becoming dead zones if they become Concord free areas, I'm still waiting on how lowering the amount of people milking these generally risk free isk printers is a bad thing. You were even pontificating in another thread about the inflation of EvE's economy, well inflation is caused by an excess of currency, so lowering the influx of isk coming from highsec incursions can only be good.
Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming. In fact Eve is undergoing deflation, not inflation, so we need more isk faucets, and less mining. Hence, if anything, we would want to buff incursion rewards. And incursions are the finest PvE content in Eve....not to mention that do to the current drama actual payouts are way down. |
Iain Cariaba
395
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Posted - 2014.09.29 05:40:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:
As far as incursions becoming dead zones if they become Concord free areas, I'm still waiting on how lowering the amount of people milking these generally risk free isk printers is a bad thing. You were even pontificating in another thread about the inflation of EvE's economy, well inflation is caused by an excess of currency, so lowering the influx of isk coming from highsec incursions can only be good.
Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming. In fact Eve is undergoing deflation, not inflation, so we need more isk faucets, and less mining. Hence, if anything, we would want to buff incursion rewards. And incursions are the finest PvE content in Eve....not to mention that do to the current drama actual payouts are way down. A trend of deflation over the whole market would be a good thing after the overall long trend of inflation we have gone through, if such a deflation trend actually existed beyond your small sample of the overall economy. Picking a few specialty items out of the whole of the economy does not make an accurate economic trend.
Those vast swaths of null are owned by people who will shoot you if you're not one of them, and for the most part theh aren't looking to let people in, outside of renters, that are just looking to print isk. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9929
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:53:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming.
They are not risk free, and most of them are empty because their median isk per hour is worse than level 4 missions.
And least try to have a clue of what you're talking about? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Valkin Mordirc
294
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Posted - 2014.09.29 11:21:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming.
They are not risk free, and most of them are empty because their median isk per hour is worse than level 4 missions. And least try to have a clue of what you're talking about?
Need you even ask that question? Of course he doesn't.
I believe he is suffering from the 'grass is always green on the other side effect'
On top of the rampant drug hazed stupidity we get from him on a day to day basis. #DeleteTheWeak |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5534
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Posted - 2014.09.30 08:56:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:
As far as incursions becoming dead zones if they become Concord free areas, I'm still waiting on how lowering the amount of people milking these generally risk free isk printers is a bad thing. You were even pontificating in another thread about the inflation of EvE's economy, well inflation is caused by an excess of currency, so lowering the influx of isk coming from highsec incursions can only be good.
Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming. In fact Eve is undergoing deflation, not inflation, so we need more isk faucets, and less mining. Hence, if anything, we would want to buff incursion rewards. And incursions are the finest PvE content in Eve....not to mention that do to the current drama actual payouts are way down.
'Team Veers', always lookin' out for Number 1 aren't you. I thoroughly enjoy it when my theories about someone's agenda are confirmed. GĒ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GĒ„ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Balshem Rozenzweig
Viziam Amarr Empire
55
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Posted - 2014.09.30 09:38:00 -
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if you want to torture carebears you need to make sure there are any left to torture. You torment them, you humiliate them, but you do not destroy them
All that saying - Balshem is a care bearish alt I sometimes bring to low sec in order to get some stuff done. I enjoy slower pace and farming (I do need to fund my pvp ships somehow) in low sec feels like multitasking - it's not what I want to do at 8:00 p.m after 8hrs at work and spending time with my family for the rest of the day.
On the other hand it's really cool that high sec ganking/war decing creates so much content. It's amazing that you get to have whole community specializing in hauling stuff just because everyone else is afraid to. Gj!
TL;DR - don't push the stuff too far. People care bear sometimes. Hard core carebears are precious tear generator. High sec pvp is needed.
If you want missions in low sec - - - > come to amarr/militia FW zone and show us how you do them. I'd love some battle ship kills. Otherwise - don't push things too far, because everyone likes to chill once in a while. "NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5340
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Posted - 2014.09.30 10:01:00 -
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from another threadThe New York Times wrote:Acclaim for "Economics 101 with Veers Belvar"
"Excellent work, standard text for our interns" -Tendai Laxton Biti, Minister of Finance of Zimbabwe 2009-2013
=]I[= |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1661
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Posted - 2014.09.30 10:58:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:
NPC corps of opposing factions are at war by default, mirroring FW.
No joke, that would be amazing. Exclude starter corps of course. Just the other NPC corps you get when you leave real corps. Also make all players moved forcefully from the noob corps after 6 months.
That woudl be the most amazing thing to grace eve EVER.
"If brute force does not solve your problem..... -įthen you are -įsurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1661
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Posted - 2014.09.30 11:01:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:With that kind of plaform Leto Thule you'd get my vote for CSM I promise, if I am elected to the CSM, that I will enjoy my free trip to iceland, and get extremely wasted while lobbying for nerfs to the nerfers.
Can you assure us that during your term you will have zero tolerance towards intolerance even against the intolerants? "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -įthen you are -įsurely not using enough!" |
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Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1456
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Posted - 2014.09.30 12:28:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:With that kind of plaform Leto Thule you'd get my vote for CSM I promise, if I am elected to the CSM, that I will enjoy my free trip to iceland, and get extremely wasted while lobbying for nerfs to the nerfers. Can you assure us that during your term you will have zero tolerance towards intolerance even against the intolerants?
I can confirm that I am an equal-opportunity offender. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Luwc
Brodozers Inc. Fueling the Fire
233
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:48:00 -
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THULE FOR CSM http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif |
Anslo
Scope Works
14903
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:09:00 -
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lolwat
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5351
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:18:00 -
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satire mother******
do you speak it! =]I[= |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
810
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:26:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:
Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that. Ok... I'll bite... What's the mechanic when the war is mutual? People always forget that wars can be made mutual.
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Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1459
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:33:00 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Leto Thule wrote:
Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that. Ok... I'll bite... What's the mechanic when the war is mutual? People always forget that wars can be made mutual.
Ok, assuming we are going with the idea that this is a legitimate idea thread, ill provide.
A mutual war would stay the same as is, until one corp attempts to leave it. After the war is declared non-mutual, the above mechanic would apply.
If we were going with this.
Please read admiral root's post. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
155
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:48:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Leto Thule wrote:
Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that. Ok... I'll bite... What's the mechanic when the war is mutual? People always forget that wars can be made mutual. Ok, assuming we are going with the idea that this is a legitimate idea thread, ill provide. A mutual war would stay the same as is, until one corp attempts to leave it. After the war is declared non-mutual, the above mechanic would apply. If we were going with this. Please read admiral root's post.
So as not to ruin RvB's gameplay, let's add a mechanic where mutual decs allow members to move freely between the opposing sides.
Now let us imagine how that can be exploited..... |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
810
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:52:00 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Leto Thule wrote:Lady Ayeipsia wrote:Leto Thule wrote:
Once wardecced, you do not have the ablity to leave corp at all. The button is grayed out. The only way out is to surrender or win. If the defender (and allies) beats the aggressor after 1 week (isk war), the aggressor is unable to declare war for two weeks after that. Ok... I'll bite... What's the mechanic when the war is mutual? People always forget that wars can be made mutual. Ok, assuming we are going with the idea that this is a legitimate idea thread, ill provide. A mutual war would stay the same as is, until one corp attempts to leave it. After the war is declared non-mutual, the above mechanic would apply. If we were going with this. Please read admiral root's post. So as not to ruin RvB's gameplay, let's add a mechanic where mutual decs allow members to move freely between the opposing sides. Now let us imagine how that can be exploited.....
For RvB, that would be perfect, for at times we must shuffle members between corps for balance purposes. For the rest of you...hmm... This seems like it could have some fun consequences. |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
471
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:09:00 -
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Mining should be made to include aspects of katamari damacy. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-į The-įterminal end of the digestive system.-į |
Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
471
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:09:00 -
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Mining should be made to include aspects of katamari damacy. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-į The-įterminal end of the digestive system.-į |
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
131
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:34:00 -
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Right carebearing should be done away with, it should become PVP all the time and you would have to buy your isk and modules with your bank account (well until the market runs out) then you can bump each other with your pods, have fun with that "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5358
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:38:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Right carebearing should be done away with, it should become PVP all the time and you would have to buy your isk and modules with your bank account (well until the market runs out) then you can bump each other with your pods, have fun with that I love that even after it's been flagged as blatantly satirical (not that it was necessary), some people still get wound up about it. =]I[= |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1464
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:38:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Right carebearing should be done away with, it should become PVP all the time and you would have to buy your isk and modules with your bank account (well until the market runs out) then you can bump each other with your pods, have fun with that
No, dear angry bear.
Carebearing is part of EvE. But if you want to make the big money, you should have to risk big money.
Thats all. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Leto Thule
Fleet-Jump Surely You're Joking
1464
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:39:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Agondray wrote:Right carebearing should be done away with, it should become PVP all the time and you would have to buy your isk and modules with your bank account (well until the market runs out) then you can bump each other with your pods, have fun with that I love that even after it's been flagged as blatantly satirical (not that it was necessary), some people still get wound up about it.
Shhh. Lets see how long he runs with it. Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks. |
Paranoid Loyd
2042
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Posted - 2014.09.30 20:04:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Right carebearing should be done away with, it should become PVP all the time and you would have to buy your isk and modules with your bank account (well until the market runs out) then you can bump each other with your pods, have fun with that
Areway ouyay away agondray orway away arebearcay? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1663
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Posted - 2014.10.01 10:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Veers Belvar wrote: Oh dear...the fact remains that vast swaths of null are empty and easy risk free farming.
They are not risk free, and most of them are empty because their median isk per hour is worse than level 4 missions. And least try to have a clue of what you're talking about?
Comapred to what level 4? Runnign SOE in apanake? the theorethical highest one? Where to achive that numbers you need ot use a pimped up ship that will SURELY get suicide ganked on that system dependign ont he timezone you play?
Things are not so pink and bright as null sec tries to paint. The average l4 income on non gank filled zones are about HALF of the advertised peak numbers achievable in only 2 systems. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -įthen you are -įsurely not using enough!" |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
1663
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Posted - 2014.10.01 10:17:00 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:I can understand, and even advocate, some of these suggestions made by the OP, but most (if not all) can simply be answered this way:
CCP is a business
Hisec = safe(ish) place for new players
New players = more business
Hisec (being safeish) = more business
I recognize you want to have more pvp, but honestly, your suggestions are just not going to happen.
Hisec is hard enough as it is for people who suck at PvP lol what you're suggesting would cause tons of people to quit the game, losing CCP a lot of money. It's not about who is tougher and they need to htfu, it's about money.
Nice sentiments(somewhat), but not very well thought through.
Lesson learned: Just because it is exploited by vets, doesn't mean the newbs should suffer.
Lowsec exists so that people who want hisec to be more like lowsec, can have a lowsec instead. Null is for the people who want lowsec to be even more dangerous. There is a reason this distinction exists :P
That is why you can easily keep the STARTING corps out of that. And make people leave to the main NPC corps after 6-8 months into the game. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -įthen you are -įsurely not using enough!" |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9953
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Posted - 2014.10.01 10:29:00 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote: Comapred to what level 4? Runnign SOE in apanake? the theorethical highest one? Where to achive that numbers you need ot use a pimped up ship that will SURELY get suicide ganked on that system dependign ont he timezone you play?
Things are not so pink and bright as null sec tries to paint. The average l4 income on non gank filled zones are about HALF of the advertised peak numbers achievable in only 2 systems.
You're going the wrong way about my argument.
L4s have pretty good income. I was not suggesting that they have excellent income, that's incursions, which are almost literally risk free since you have a fleet of logi backing you up. That needs nerfed severely.
I am however suggesting that null PvE rather well sucks unless you have optimal conditions. In highsec, by and large your ability to make a profit is not dependent on whether other people choose to screw with you or not, and if they do it's easy to get past them. In nullsec whether you make a profit or not is far, far more dependent on the actions of others, and on what system you happen to be living in.
Try asking a renter how much they make when Pizza is in the area. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
The Scope Gallente Federation
1055
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Posted - 2014.10.01 10:47:00 -
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Leto Thule wrote:I DID!!!
I had absolutely no idea what it was about.
I thank Break-a-wish, Cannibal Kane, and Psychotic Monk for showing me that EvE had more to it than shooting red crosses!
Carebears, I am proof! You can change too! We really need to talk on comms at some point. I swear one of us is a clone of the other.
Tengu Grib wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Came hoping to hear about my promised Thanatos. Am not yet satisfied. If Leto wants my vote for CSM, I need that Thanny.
And preferably a Fedo.
I'm getting...hungry.... Oh my god.. I still haven't sent you that... god I'm such a tool. I'm making a reminder in my phone. I'm sure Bronson would appreciate it if we took the time to dec it out in serpentis colors first. You can wait another month or two, right Bronson?
Azov Rassau wrote:Posting in a stealth "NerfConcord BuffGanking UnbanErotica1 NerfAfkCloaking BringbackBoomerangGanking BuffWardecs RemoveConcord RemoveHighsec RemoveMining Codealwayswins PsychoticmonkforCSM" thread. Stealth?
EDIT: And I just noticed the Tengu had the same reply...
Bronson Hughes wrote:But but but...it's a Thorax.... I can see you want a thorax. I'll get right on that tommorrow New player resources: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Main_Page - General information http://www.evealtruist.com/p/know-your-enemy.html - Learn to PvP http://belligerentundesirables.com/ - Safaris, Awoxes, Ganking and Griefing-į |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
440
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:56:00 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Leto Thule wrote:I DID!!!
I had absolutely no idea what it was about.
I thank Break-a-wish, Cannibal Kane, and Psychotic Monk for showing me that EvE had more to it than shooting red crosses!
Carebears, I am proof! You can change too! We really need to talk on comms at some point. I swear one of us is a clone of the other.
Invite me too! For me it was specifically Psychotic Monk.
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Came hoping to hear about my promised Thanatos. Am not yet satisfied. If Leto wants my vote for CSM, I need that Thanny.
And preferably a Fedo.
I'm getting...hungry.... Oh my god.. I still haven't sent you that... god I'm such a tool. I'm making a reminder in my phone. I'm sure Bronson would appreciate it if we took the time to dec it out in serpentis colors first. You can wait another month or two, right Bronson? A fantastic idea. I shall petition CCP for a Serpentis Edition Fedo skin bpc to be added to the NEX store.
Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
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