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Ranamar
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
71
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:57:00 -
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Altrue wrote:I don't understand why the "Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil" should have better stats AND lower fitting requirements than the T2 variation. Its 100% worse to fit the T2, something that shouldn't happen right AFTER a module rebalance
I was going to come here and post this, too. Is this a typo or an oversight?
Edit: I see it got addressed in the time I posted. |
Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.09.25 16:58:00 -
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*spiritual first goes here* (Gargant, you utter cad, leave my posts alone)
Also, the Vigor MAPC market price shot up faster than I could react .
What about PWNAGE, surely we won't lose that? |
Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
137
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:00:00 -
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From the Oceanus Patch Notes:
Micro B88 Core Augmentation -> Compact Compact Micro Auxiliary Power Core
So.. like double compact? Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008" |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
834
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:00:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:So, while we're at this, what's the point of having multiple faction variants that are essentially the same thing? Do we really need a Cal navy and a Gurista/ Dread Gurista variation of a module that all have the same damn attributes? yes, so that the mods have a price cap (that's the point of the highsec navy LP store ones being the same as nullsec drop ones) |
PinkKnife
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
505
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:00:00 -
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Ranamar wrote:Altrue wrote:I don't understand why the "Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil" should have better stats AND lower fitting requirements than the T2 variation. Its 100% worse to fit the T2, something that shouldn't happen right AFTER a module rebalance I was going to come here and post this, too. Is this a typo or an oversight? Edit: I see it got addressed in the time I posted.
Literally, read 7 posts up. Jesus it isn't that hard. |
Adaahh Gee
Sarz'na Khumatari The Unthinkables
120
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:05:00 -
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Ransu Asanari wrote:From the Oceanus Patch Notes: Micro B88 Core Augmentation -> Compact Compact Micro Auxiliary Power Core So.. like double compact?
Double compact and "Micro" that makes it really small. |
Ranamar
Valkyries of Night Of Sound Mind
71
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:06:00 -
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PinkKnife wrote:Ranamar wrote:Altrue wrote:I don't understand why the "Restrained Capacitor Flux Coil" should have better stats AND lower fitting requirements than the T2 variation. Its 100% worse to fit the T2, something that shouldn't happen right AFTER a module rebalance I was going to come here and post this, too. Is this a typo or an oversight? Edit: I see it got addressed in the time I posted. Literally, read 7 posts up. Jesus it isn't that hard.
Literally wasn't there when I started posting... (as determined by not being able to click through from the previous dev post)
Also, I'm confused now. Wasn't restrained supposed to have reduced drawbacks, rather than increased drawbacks? |
Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
137
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:07:00 -
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Not very happy with the Light Missile Launcher adjustments. It seems like the reduction in named modules is reducing choice and dumbing down missiles in general.
1. The "Ample" Launcher has the same fitting requirements as the Meta0 (6PG, 21CPU) , which is pretty poor. The previous version of the Limos, TE-2100, and Arbalest all had much better fitting than Meta0, and gave an actual tier that you could use to fit based on what your ship could spare. Compacting this seems like a nerf. If anything, reduce the CPU fitting on the "Ample" launcher to somewhere between 17-20 so it is equivalent to where the Arbalest was, while still having it be better than the Meta0.
2. I am happy that the "Compact" Launcher kept the same fitting as the Malkuth, as that was necessary for a lot of fittings, such as the Talwar.
3. You mentioned varied specializations for Gunnery modules to include things like tracking. Why not have variant Missile modules that vary range, explosion radius/velocity or other values as an equivalent? Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008" |
Lyron-Baktos
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
463
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:08:00 -
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The basic modules make no sense to me How the **** do you remove a signature? |
Callic Veratar
633
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:10:00 -
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I'm hoping that the faction and cosmos modules are rebalanced after the meta 1-4 stuff is done to be equal but different in modifying their more important attributes. |
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Mara Tessidar
Dark Star Safari Logistics
1167
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:13:00 -
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Capacitor flux coils are still useless. Color me surprised. |
Hawkin Shadowblade
Paragon Trust The Bastion
0
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:15:00 -
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As much as I do actually like the direction of the changes, you need to seriously reconsider the naming dynamic you have adopted; it's absolutely horrid in that it is reminiscent of the naming policy of other traditional MMOs: Leather Jerkin of the Monkey? Okay, it has an agility bonus... Yes, this is a nice way to show the role of an item at a glance. The problem is it kills immersion in a game like EVE. There is a level of immersion involved with shopping for outfitting your ship. Buying a set of XM-2300 Missile Launchers fits with the atmosphere and general "a world you could live in" vibe you guys have been going for. By giving them role based names, I instantly had WoW flashbacks, and the names sound pretty lame, I'll be honest: An ample Railgun? A Scoped Railgun? A SCOPED Railgun!? Are you implying any other variation of Railgun is without scope? Again, you should really reconsider this renaming policy. It is not the direction you should be looking. |
Lelira Cirim
EVE University Ivy League
161
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:16:00 -
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Did Fozzie redo Damage Controls like he talked about? :) Do not actively tank my patience. || -áEvents Team -á|| -áUniWiki Team |
Marcel Devereux
Aideron Robotics
356
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:20:00 -
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Shouldn't Scoped Survey Scanner have a CPU requirement of 5 not 4? Seems odd that the Scoped is reducing CPU and giving range. |
Cristl
Perkone Caldari State
138
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:22:00 -
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Hawkin Shadowblade wrote:As much as I do actually like the direction of the changes, you need to seriously reconsider the naming dynamic you have adopted; it's absolutely horrid in that it is reminiscent of the naming policy of other traditional MMOs: Leather Jerkin of the Monkey? Okay, it has an agility bonus... Yes, this is a nice way to show the role of an item at a glance. The problem is it kills immersion in a game like EVE. There is a level of immersion involved with shopping for outfitting your ship. Buying a set of XM-2300 Missile Launchers fits with the atmosphere and general "a world you could live in" vibe you guys have been going for. By giving them role based names, I instantly had WoW flashbacks, and the names sound pretty lame, I'll be honest: An ample Railgun? A Scoped Railgun? A SCOPED Railgun!? Are you implying any other variation of Railgun is without scope? Again, you should really reconsider this renaming policy. It is not the direction you should be looking.
I'd like to second this. I'm worried that someone at CCP has been told to make the names less varied ("easier") because that will help retain new players. Quite the reverse: the fact you needed to look up your equipment made Eve feel like a real, immersive new universe and was originally part of the attraction for me. Don't throw that away.
Leather Jerkin of the Monkey?. Perfect. |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1210
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:25:00 -
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Hey, baby, wanna see my Ample Launcher?
(I really wouldn't mind the old names back, or at least something less awkward-sounding.)
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Adaahh Gee
Sarz'na Khumatari The Unthinkables
120
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:26:00 -
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We've been here before, is it a two year cycle?
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=61741 |
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
504
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:30:00 -
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Ranamar wrote:[quote=PinkKnife]
Also, I'm confused now. Wasn't restrained supposed to have reduced drawbacks, rather than increased drawbacks?
Yeah cap flux are pretty fucky.
Preliminary tests:
Gnosis with only 100mn mwd 1 = 2:10; 2531 GJ 1 cfc2 (2:00; 2025GJ); cpr (2:30) 2 cfc2 (2:10; 1620GJ); cpr (3:30) 3 cfc2 (5:00; 1296GJ); cpr (15:00) 4 cfc2 (21.7%; 1036GJ); cpr (22.7%) 5 cfc2 (40.3%; 829GJ); cpr (41.2%) 6 cfc2 (54.5%; 663GJ); cpr (55.3%) Blue-Fire Best Fire |
Ransu Asanari
Powder and Ball Alchemists Union The Predictables
137
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:32:00 -
[49] - Quote
Man I still find website articles referring to "Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters" as the best ones.
Think of all the blogs/sites that are now going to be out of date once the names start changing again.
Maybe CCP should build and provide a find/replace file for the module tiercide to make it easier for external resource managers like EVE University WIki to make updates? Powder and Ball Alchemists Union - "Turning Lead into Gold since 2008" |
Ponder Yonder
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
41
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:36:00 -
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Cristl wrote:Hawkin Shadowblade wrote:As much as I do actually like the direction of the changes, you need to seriously reconsider the naming dynamic you have adopted; it's absolutely horrid in that it is reminiscent of the naming policy of other traditional MMOs: Leather Jerkin of the Monkey? Okay, it has an agility bonus... Yes, this is a nice way to show the role of an item at a glance. The problem is it kills immersion in a game like EVE. There is a level of immersion involved with shopping for outfitting your ship. Buying a set of XM-2300 Missile Launchers fits with the atmosphere and general "a world you could live in" vibe you guys have been going for. By giving them role based names, I instantly had WoW flashbacks, and the names sound pretty lame, I'll be honest: An ample Railgun? A Scoped Railgun? A SCOPED Railgun!? Are you implying any other variation of Railgun is without scope? Again, you should really reconsider this renaming policy. It is not the direction you should be looking. I'd like to second this. I'm worried that someone at CCP has been told to make the names less varied ("easier") because that will help retain new players. Quite the reverse: the fact you needed to look up your equipment made Eve feel like a real, immersive new universe and was originally part of the attraction for me. Don't throw that away. Leather Jerkin of the Monkey?. Perfect.
CCP, Please retain some of immersive elements. Call it a Gaussian Scoped Railgun, or an XT-3200 Ample Launcher, or whatever. The quirks make Eve interesting. |
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Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
126
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:41:00 -
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Ransu Asanari wrote:Man I still find website articles referring to "Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters" as the best ones. Think of all the blogs/sites that are now going to be out of date once the names start changing again. Maybe CCP should build and provide a find/replace file for the module tiercide to make it easier for external resource managers like EVE University WIki to make updates?
There's a common ground to be had.
Special naming sucks when you want to find a processor upgrade and search for "proc" on the market and find
Co-Processer I Nanoelectrical Co-Processer 1 Quantum Co-Processor 1 Co-Processer II
but not
Nanomechanical CPU Enhancer I or Photonic CPU Enhancer I
which are probably the meta item you want and now have to spend extra clicks to Info on the base model, variations, info, show market details. That is bad naming complexity with no value.
But I agree that something other than standard MMO prefix/suffix fare is desired. |
Ion Rubix
University of Caille Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:41:00 -
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Although I can appreciate the direction you're taking some of the names are less a than inspiring! An online thesaurus gave me better options:
* Restrained - Limited, Suppressed, Inhibited
* Enduring - Sustained
* Ample (Seriously!!!) - Expanded, Extensive
Some of these alternatives I've seen somewhere before... now let me think... |
Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor Black Core Alliance
1565
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:42:00 -
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What does this mean for invention as mentioned in the previous dev blog? Are you getting ahead of yourself? GÇ£Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do. GÇ¥ - Dale Carnegie
Maximze your Industry Potential! - Download EVE Isk per Hour! |
Hawkin Shadowblade
Paragon Trust The Bastion
1
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:44:00 -
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Ponder Yonder wrote:Cristl wrote:Hawkin Shadowblade wrote:As much as I do actually like the direction of the changes, you need to seriously reconsider the naming dynamic you have adopted; it's absolutely horrid in that it is reminiscent of the naming policy of other traditional MMOs: Leather Jerkin of the Monkey? Okay, it has an agility bonus... Yes, this is a nice way to show the role of an item at a glance. The problem is it kills immersion in a game like EVE. There is a level of immersion involved with shopping for outfitting your ship. Buying a set of XM-2300 Missile Launchers fits with the atmosphere and general "a world you could live in" vibe you guys have been going for. By giving them role based names, I instantly had WoW flashbacks, and the names sound pretty lame, I'll be honest: An ample Railgun? A Scoped Railgun? A SCOPED Railgun!? Are you implying any other variation of Railgun is without scope? Again, you should really reconsider this renaming policy. It is not the direction you should be looking. I'd like to second this. I'm worried that someone at CCP has been told to make the names less varied ("easier") because that will help retain new players. Quite the reverse: the fact you needed to look up your equipment made Eve feel like a real, immersive new universe and was originally part of the attraction for me. Don't throw that away. Leather Jerkin of the Monkey?. Perfect. CCP, Please retain some of immersive elements. Call it a Gaussian Scoped Railgun, or an XT-3200 Ample Launcher, or whatever. The quirks make Eve interesting.
The "scoped"/"ample"/etc. shouldn't be there at all, in my opinion. As Cristl stated, it was a huge point of immersion when you'd actually have to look up and research your gear, it's advantages and disadvantages and why you would or wouldn't use it compared to other similar modules. I think if they're going to rename them, and I frankly think they should, they should take the opportunity to kind of tie the modules into the lore a bit more. Names suggesting a railgun that specializes in range is of Intaki origin or such. This is their opportunity to either really boost the immersion, or seriously damage it. |
scimichar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
225
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:44:00 -
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Still no reason to use T1 over scoped, ample, or T2. |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
826
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:49:00 -
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please fix laser naming, it's totally horrible and makes me mad:
dual light beam laser small focused beam laser
so first thing is we have light and we have small. I'm thinking you should either have things being light medium heavy, or you have them be small medium large. having both in the same set of modules upsets me greatly.
and secondly, we have the 'size' word in a different place on each - should be either dual light and small focused, or it should be light dual and focused small.
so to make me happy, we would have 'dual light' and 'light focused'. or we'd find something new entirely, because small focused is stupid, and medium is also stupid.
and I'm sure these will be gone, but:
Dual Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I Dual Heavy Modulated Pulse Energy Beam I
you're killing me here.
/autism |
Hawkin Shadowblade
Paragon Trust The Bastion
2
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:49:00 -
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scimichar wrote:Still no reason to use T1 over scoped, ample, or T2. That's another thing I was interested in seeing, if they'd have any reason to use the meta 0 (What is civilian then? Meta -1?) modules. The three logical courses are they remove meta 0's completely, which would be a waste. Make them the go-to all around weapons without the bonuses and inferred penalties of Meta 1's. Or simply make them relatively dirt cheap. |
Almethea
Trans Stellar Express
159
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:49:00 -
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Destroying EVE history, One parts At A Time ?
even if i can undestand it will more easy for the precious new player xp, i feel old may be it's time for me WTS BPO : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=307169 |
Obil Que
Star Explorers Reckoning Star Alliance
126
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:50:00 -
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scimichar wrote:Still no reason to use T1 over scoped, ample, or T2.
The scoped or ample modules should penalize the stat they are not improving thus making T1 the middle ground module vs. one that sacrifices A for B. |
Adaahh Gee
Sarz'na Khumatari The Unthinkables
121
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:51:00 -
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Obil Que wrote:Ransu Asanari wrote:Man I still find website articles referring to "Cold-Gas Arcjet Thrusters" as the best ones. Think of all the blogs/sites that are now going to be out of date once the names start changing again. Maybe CCP should build and provide a find/replace file for the module tiercide to make it easier for external resource managers like EVE University WIki to make updates? There's a common ground to be had. Special naming sucks when you want to find a processor upgrade and search for "proc" on the market and find Co-Processer I Nanoelectrical Co-Processer 1 Quantum Co-Processor 1 Co-Processer II but not Nanomechanical CPU Enhancer I or Photonic CPU Enhancer I which are probably the meta item you want and now have to spend extra clicks to Info on the base model, variations, info, show market details. That is bad naming complexity with no value. But I agree that something other than standard MMO prefix/suffix fare is desired.
I tend to look up "proc", then hit variations and use the compare tool to find the module with the stats that suit the job and budget for the task in hand. My main concern is that Eve will turn into a very "beige" game with everything named similarrly, all the ships balanced and all the NPC's pretty much the same (don't even get me started on Rogue drone loot removal and the adding of bounties to them)
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