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Don Pera Saissore
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Posted - 2014.09.26 02:15:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXg6UB9Qk0o |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
773
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Posted - 2014.09.26 02:46:00 -
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The article hit on some very problematic spots in CCP's handling of the rules.
In regard to the other posts in this thread so far (and on the comments for the article itself): it's really unfortunate that so many Eve players exhibit the exact qualities that they claim to detest in the players of other MMOs. Short attention span? Check. Demand for instant gratification in the form of a TL;DR? Check. Defense of ridiculously grey rules? Check. Yeah...I'll stop there. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1411
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Posted - 2014.09.26 03:18:00 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:It takes 1,137 words to say "You British King, we don't like your ways so we go away" It takes 4,440 words to write the essential law of the United States of America It takes 11,000 words to say "CCP bans us, we are butthurt, grrr" You should consider actually reading it.
Drago Shouna wrote:Yes, TS is real life. Behind every single avatar on here is a real person, with real feelings. By this definition, EVE is RL too.
Anyway, as for my 2 cents, while it's a bit long it provides value in that length by being an excellent article to bring anyone up to speed if they don't remeber the details of the various ways CCP has screwed up over the years. [witty image] - Stream |
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
115
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:11:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:The only thing i'm going to say about this drivel is this...
Yes, TS is real life. Behind every single avatar on here is a real person, with real feelings.
Yeah I know what some of you are thinking, HTFU people it's a game. It will never alter the above sentence.
The quicker players like this idiot are banned the better the game will be, because after all, it's a game!
Not a psychopaths playground.
Trying to police voice comms should be beyond a game developer's jurisdiction.
I get that in EXTREME circumstances, it may be appropriate to step in because of the potential negative public backlash if someone harms himself, but outside of that, it's really inappropriate for a game developer to apply sanctions on things outside of their property.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5486
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:14:00 -
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So that's what happened to Darius III As I recall he was just down the road from where I used to live.
Anyway, since this is such a sore point, what would be a better solution?
We know that if CCP tries to come up with specific rules, people are going to game that and the rules will grow and grow and grow. Need an example? The federal regulations of the USA with over 200 years of "lawfare" games behind it. Do we want to go there? Those books are very very thick now and to do anything of significance that deal with these regs you need to hire lawyers.
A 4chan style anything goes without rules approach will devolve into every player who is not crazy or is over the age of 12 feeling like they are logging in to babysit.
What would be the middle ground then?
IMO a kind of jury system might help - provided that the jury can "judge both the case and the law" meaning that for a specific case or incident the jury can toss the laws. Think of it as a pirata codex which are merely suggestions. But who would be on this jury? The peers of the player and I don't mean their corp/alliance. That is, I would not put a carebear's case before highsec wardeccers or put carebears on the jury of a griefer. (This is what fails in RL jury systems, actual demographical peers of a defendant get weeded out first now and then two legal technicians play a game of "who can dupe the jury better")
Sounds tedious and I don't think anybody is going to like getting hit up for jury duty either. Can you imagine what that would be like? And because of what? See option 2, feeling like we were babysitting.
The system we are having now might be the only way. But how hard is it to check with the petition system to find out ahead of time of some activity is bannable or not? Would that work? Or is there too much liability on getting a pass in writing now that the next employee might overlook or override later - and that situation would erode the system terribly.
Guess I can't think of a way to solve this. We all know what's at stake here. Maybe this is only an issue because the game is stagnating.
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Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
190
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:16:00 -
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Belt Scout wrote:Drago Shouna wrote:The only thing i'm going to say about this drivel is this...
Yes, TS is real life. Behind every single avatar on here is a real person, with real feelings.
Yeah I know what some of you are thinking, HTFU people it's a game. It will never alter the above sentence.
The quicker players like this idiot are banned the better the game will be, because after all, it's a game!
Not a psychopaths playground. There's nothing more to say. +1 /thread
Behind every friendly neighbourhood suicide ganker there is a real person playing a game. Nevermind that CCP insist this style of gameplay belongs in EvE, because if people are going to call you a pyschopath for playing a game, then they must be right?
So I guess if you make an effort to separate reality from your "game world" you are just plain nuts? I mean, what kind of crazy person would help an elderly stranger across the road, then subsequently play a game of internet spaceships and blow up a mining ship? Why can't these scum just be consistent in their actions? Grrr.
I gave someone in need some money to help them take their pet to the vet. But then I gave James 315 some isk to buy some shares, and help the New Order to improve the game for all.
Please help me! I need my meds! I am losing all sense of morality, so these gank victims tell me. It is hard for me to understand anything anymore. I thought when I gave that newbie some isk for a new ship I was doing it right?
I thought I was playing a game
Why do people keep calling me names?
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5471
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:33:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:So that's what happened to Darius III As I recall he was just down the road from where I used to live.
Anyway, since this is such a sore point, what would be a better solution?
We know that if CCP tries to come up with specific rules, people are going to game that and the rules will grow and grow and grow. Need an example? The federal regulations of the USA with over 200 years of "lawfare" games behind it. Do we want to go there? Those books are very very thick now and to do anything of significance that deal with these regs you need to hire lawyers.
A 4chan style anything goes without rules approach will devolve into every player who is not crazy or is over the age of 12 feeling like they are logging in to babysit.
What would be the middle ground then?
IMO a kind of jury system might help - provided that the jury can "judge both the case and the law" meaning that for a specific case or incident the jury can toss the laws. Think of it as a pirata codex which are merely suggestions. But who would be on this jury? The peers of the player and I don't mean their corp/alliance. That is, I would not put a carebear's case before highsec wardeccers or put carebears on the jury of a griefer. (This is what fails in RL jury systems, actual demographical peers of a defendant get weeded out first now and then two legal technicians play a game of "who can dupe the jury better")
Sounds tedious and I don't think anybody is going to like getting hit up for jury duty either. Can you imagine what that would be like? And because of what? See option 2, feeling like we were babysitting.
The system we are having now might be the only way. But how hard is it to check with the petition system to find out ahead of time of some activity is bannable or not? Would that work? Or is there too much liability on getting a pass in writing now that the next employee might overlook or override later - and that situation would erode the system terribly.
Guess I can't think of a way to solve this. We all know what's at stake here. Maybe this is only an issue because the game is stagnating.
I already suggested it back in the old thread Falcon put up, but it was drowned in a sea of attacks.
What if instead of rules around what we can't do, focus them on what we can do. I provided a veritable litany of examples when I suggested this and I really can't be bothered repeating myself time and again so if anyone's actually interested enough to hear this idea out, show this post some love and I'll blog it down. Otherwise, I have to assume the community is already too indifferent about it to care. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
loyalanon
The Conference Elite CODE.
487
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Posted - 2014.09.26 05:57:00 -
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ISD's keep closing threads they disagree with or threads about people they dont like because they dont know how to do there job properly
Is this classed as harassment also?
Reading forums about a game over internet explorer is considered real life you know :) |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
1164
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Posted - 2014.09.26 06:56:00 -
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loyalanon wrote:ISD's keep closing threads they disagree with or threads about people they dont like because they dont know how to do there job properly
Is this classed as harassment also?
Reading forums about a game over internet explorer is considered real life you know :)
Yeah, thought it was funny that this thread (on a sure-fire threadnaught topic as people were waiting for James315's response for weeks) immediately gets dunked into this ghost-town of a subforum. MyEve? really?
Pattern has been repeated for months now. ISDs allow the usual brown-nosing, fanboys (CCP alts?) to troll unapproved threads into the ground, then lock the thread 'for trolling'. ISD favored threads, on the other hand are cleaned fastidiously until they die a natural death due to abject lack of interest - because they are usually boring self-serving marketing tripe.
Almost as bad as the incessant whining about the *effort* of having to clean threads when they try to justify the lock. "Its what you signed up for you dumb ****! If you can't be bothered to do the job properly, feel free to resign." |
Dave Kitaro
Republic University Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.09.26 07:30:00 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Those of you who find reading :words: so difficult probably shouldn't be playing this game in the first place, and god knows what you are doing on forums and blogs anyway. Go look at a cartoon or summat. Considering a lot of the "OMG I'M NOT READIN THAT, TL;DR" spammers leak their irrelevant dribbling on various forums which ASSAULTS MY EYEBALLS I hope every one of those 11,000 words makes you squeal in outrage.
Rubbish. There are things called books, of which I have many and enjoy reading. I also enjoy reading opinion pieces in the NY Times, which can consist of up to 7000 words or more.
One reason why books and NYT articles are worth reading is because of a thing called editing. Editing cuts out the verbiage. After reading 12 paragraphs of James 315's article it was clear that it was poorly written and unedited, and therefore not worth reading.
And LOL @ you using caps and :this: to complain about other people's writing assaulting your eyeballs. |
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Mizhir
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
69103
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Posted - 2014.09.26 08:17:00 -
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This Reddit post pretty much sums it up what I think about this:
Quote:I understand you think you have been wronged. You should move along. I understand it's a sandbox, and you think you have the right to play how you want. It's not your sandbox, so move along. I understand that you want clear lines... so it's easier to skirt them, well, go ahead and move along. The party is going to be even more fun without you sociopaths here to torment us, so guess what.... move along. You are a cancer and we have been operated on. So please, just leave. You will not be missed. There will be no protests. You will just fade away like the other miscreants. If anything, we will be able to retain more new people that never knew how dark and freakish you guys ever were. If you really start to admit that you need EVE more than it needs you, and you create an alt and come back.... I hope they ban that too.
Emphasis is mine. One Man Crew - Collective solo pvp |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
272
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Posted - 2014.09.26 08:43:00 -
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Drago Shouna wrote:Not a psychopaths playground. But you guys actually think it's ok to call fellow players sociopaths or psychopaths? This is even more offending than calling someone a ******.
If you are locking for RL harassment there is a very fine example of it right in this quote and in many quotes like it all over this forums. This fellow is directly attacking the person behind the character and not the spaceship or the role the player embodies and tells everyone he has a mental condition that usually requires the suspect to be locked away or heavy medication.
I am not sure why people like him are allowed to speak to other players in this way without ISD or the GM's stepping in. If you are so touchy about how people interact with each other, why not enforce it on your home turf first CCP? the Code ALWAYS wins |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1773
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Posted - 2014.09.26 09:25:00 -
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Hicksimus wrote:He compares the staff to a box of chocolates and I know this is untrue. If they were like a box of chocolates then recent events would suggest Riot has picked out all the good ones and we are left with the orange goo filled ones. But I had a discussion with somebody from CCP just the other day and they did not try to poison me at any point.
As for the rest of the article.......TLDR just isn't enough.
Oh dude i hate the orange goo Epic Space Cat |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1773
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Posted - 2014.09.26 09:28:00 -
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Btw the article was only a 10 minute read. Have EVE attention spans fallen that much? Epic Space Cat |
Xuixien
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
1773
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Posted - 2014.09.26 09:32:00 -
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John E Normus wrote:Where to find the community discussion on the James 315 article? The "My EVE" sub-forum of course! hahahahahahhahahahhahaahahaha
Also known as a "soft locking". They didnt want to martyr the thread so they exiled it instead.o Epic Space Cat |
Riku Klayton
Piranha Protectorate Sex Panther.
11
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Posted - 2014.09.26 10:27:00 -
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I liked James's article a lot and it shows how 'GMs' (Not CCP directly) they throw the banhammer...
CCP should fix that, not things that are already fixed And don't police grey areas...
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Bob Bedala
48
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Posted - 2014.09.26 10:46:00 -
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Very good article, if too long.
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:The article hit on some very problematic spots in CCP's handling of the rules..
Very much this! The article raises a lot of problematic questions.
I do not see why CCP cannot post somewhere "Toon(s) X was banned for Y". CCP state they cannot prescribe all the rules but clearly communicated actions done ASAP after the fact enables ppl to discern where the lines are, given it is impossible to clearly draw them. This is only fair.
"Aaah, but it should be common sense" No, we come from different societies with different cultural norms. If you come from Call of Duty instead of Wow you will have very different expectations of what is reasonable on voice comms in a video game. Or on voice comms outside a video game. e.g. to me, singing ransoms are far worse than comms raging -- ppl rage then get over it five minutes/a day later, but to me the burn of singing for a ransom would be a hundredfold worse. Then again, ppl who are willing do karaoke or fancy dress (crazies) vs those who never ever would (me) will never understand each other.
Anyone with any knowledge of sociology, semiotics or physics knows "Common sense is not so common." (Voltaire, Dictionnaire Philosophique) and arguments relying on it are indefensible and probably disingenuous. Having worked for a global web company with a large customer care team, they cannot simply go "that's common sense soz" and ban paying customers without telling them why. You cannot punish a dog or a child without telling it why.
"Aaah, but this prevents rule-lawyering" No, CCP correctly reserve the right to lay down and revise the laws as and when they please.
Don't get me wrong; I do not endorse the actions (or understand the motivations) of the vast majority of players mentioned in that article, I don't know any of them and have never flown with them. I do sympathise with CCP's difficult position and recognise this is a tough job. But it would appear ppl got permabanned for nothing which leaves a real sour taste and makes me disinclined to be a part of this enjoyable game much more than the actions of those players.
CCP policy here is demonstrably inconsistent, confusing, unreasonable and ineffectual but -- if the policy is the way it is for e.g. legal reasons, then if CCP just said "Hey it's for legal reasons" we could say "OK then" and respect that. But the way it has been handled sees CCP repeating the mistakes of the past, and I hope they fix this situation, both for the benefit of the playerbase as a whole, and Eve! |
voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
269
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:16:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Btw the article was only a 10 minute read. Have EVE attention spans fallen that much?
That's 18 words a second. Impressive :) |
Hiasa Kite
Republic University Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:19:00 -
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Mizhir wrote:This Reddit post pretty much sums it up what I think about this: Quote:I understand you think you have been wronged. You should move along. I understand it's a sandbox, and you think you have the right to play how you want. It's not your sandbox, so move along. I understand that you want clear lines... so it's easier to skirt them, well, go ahead and move along. The party is going to be even more fun without you sociopaths here to torment us, so guess what.... move along. You are a cancer and we have been operated on. So please, just leave. You will not be missed. There will be no protests. You will just fade away like the other miscreants. If anything, we will be able to retain more new people that never knew how dark and freakish you guys ever were. If you really start to admit that you need EVE more than it needs you, and you create an alt and come back.... I hope they ban that too. Emphasis is mine. Just in case this isn't clear enough.
This isn't about people being justifiably banned. This is about people being banned for no known reason, an appeal process that doesn't actually work and CCP's extreme inconcistency when enforcing the rules.
YOU could be banned tomorrow, with no idea why. Maybe you told someone to "*** off" in local once. Maybe you told an inappropriate joke. Maybe you walked away with someone's ore when you said you'd simply haul it for them. The rules are so vague and inconsistently enforced that any of those offenses (or a plethora of other activities) could cause you to be banned.
And you'd never know why.
That's not good enough for me, you, the BU community or any of CCP's customers. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2350
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Posted - 2014.09.26 12:25:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
31. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts.
ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.09.26 12:26:00 -
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And so Jimmy wrote the "Book of tears" and is crying an ocean of tears.
You have been ban hammered?
maybe eve is not the game for you
and
HTFU
sad attempt to create FUD over CCP and EvE
CODE. is dying Forum Main |
Mythrandier
Corporate Scum Cult of War
455
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Posted - 2014.09.26 12:26:00 -
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Interesting read.
If even half of that article is true (and I suspect it's closer to all true) then im a little concerned. Banning someone for simply being in a chat channel is ludicrous.
CCP needs to take a long hard look at this and why they are bringing down the ban hammer on, essentially, bystanders.
"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." --á D. Adams. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:02:00 -
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Ah just got this Forum Main |
Pj Harvey
Ship spinners inc
55
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:10:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Btw the article was only a 10 minute read. Have EVE attention spans fallen that much?
wow, such literacy, much scholarship, such brains.
Wish I was able to read 11,000 words of drivel as quickly as you and thus, be as awesome as you. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5486
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:27:00 -
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Actually, people do care. People read the article, because they care about EVE, and its community. People want to have a discussion about this because they care. The people who don't care don't have to read it, but if you're not going to read it, don't even pretend you have the right to participate in a conversation about it. All you're doing is shitstirring. Well, enjoy it while it lasts, because it's people like yourself that don't care who will be the reason EVE dies if it does. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Mocam
EVE University Ivy League
462
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:30:00 -
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Mythrandier wrote: Interesting read.
If even half of that article is true (and I suspect it's closer to all true) then im a little concerned. Banning someone for simply being in a chat channel is ludicrous.
CCP needs to take a long hard look at this and why they are bringing down the ban hammer on, essentially, bystanders.
I can't believe I actually read that trash article.
A cheering section for a such behavior doesn't qualify as "bystanders". Sorry to burst your bubble on that one - RL, that type of behavior has gotten people in some deep trouble - "accomplice", etc.
Check the TOS: You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies
Now - who decides what qualifies as "other hate-mongering ..." and the like? CCP - final judge on the matter.
Another way to put it:
CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userGÇÖs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.
In other words, we all agreed to let them decide which points are right and wrong and there's a lot of flexibility in how those rules are written and applied -- all at CCP's discretion.
Oh and TS is a conferencing tool so, as such, it is "real life". Then again, someone would have to complain, CCP would have to review it before any actions would be taken and, again, whatever actions might come about would be at their discretion. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1420
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:31:00 -
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Of all the posts attacking the article, precisely zero raise any substantial issue with the content.
On the other side we have people actually discussing how CCP should manage their game.
The core problem with EVE's playerbase, right there. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Eric Shang
The Bastards The Bastards.
152
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:32:00 -
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Its a bunch of words written by a guy who is butt hurt because he and his friend got banned. They cant play the game the way they want to anymore... boo hoo
James315 tears = best tears. Member of The Bastards - http://www.the-bastards.net/
My Pirate Journey: http://ericshangthepirate.wordpress.com/ |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5486
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:34:00 -
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Mocam wrote:
Now - who decides what qualifies as "other hate-mongering ..." and the like? CCP - final judge on the matter.
And therein lies the problem - when the qualifications change on a periodic basis with no objective clarity, it becomes nothing more than 'because we felt like it'. If you'd read the article, of course, you'd know this. But you haven't read it at all, just called it 'trash' and assumed what it was all about. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1420
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:36:00 -
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Mocam wrote:I can't believe I actually read that trash article. Let's test that theory.
Mocam wrote:A cheering section for a such behavior doesn't qualify as "bystanders". Sorry to burst your bubble on that one - RL, that type of behavior has gotten people in some deep trouble - "accomplice", etc. Wrong. Article talks about people idling in a chat they didn't read.
Mocam wrote:Check the TOS: You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies Irrelevant. You can debate whether it's harassment (though only pick the pro-hasrassment side if you enjoy losing), but there was never any trace of hate being generated towards anyone, certainly not against a minority which is what the quoted section is referring to.
Mocam wrote:In other words, we all agreed to let them decide which points are right and wrong and there's a lot of flexibility in how those rules are written and applied -- all at CCP's discretion. Which is precisely why it is being discussed - what would there be to talk about if the rules were crystal clear and set in stone?
Mocam wrote:Oh and TS is a conferencing tool so, as such, it is "real life". Then again, someone would have to complain, CCP would have to review it before any actions would be taken and, again, whatever actions might come about would be at their discretion. Wrong and wrong. TS is not real life as real identities are not even involved. It's real because it involves voice? EVE has voice too, is EVE RL now? And as for CCP reviewing anything, they can't, the logs show nothing, which is why their stance has always been to disregard events outside the game, and as far as I know that stance hasn't officially changed - they're just making the odd exception now.
But good on you making up some objections to what you thought the article might say. More than most have bothered to do. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
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