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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2539
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Posted - 2014.09.25 21:07:00 -
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The system named Nennamaila, in the Ishaga Constellation of the Black Rise Region has been liberated from the fascists of the Caldari State for 1070 straight days - almost three full years. It has been the main starbase station system for the major corporations fighting for freedom and liberty in Faction Warfare for an even longer period of time, and it is currently a sovereign Gallente Federation system.
As such, I propose this system be renamed in honor of the former President of the Federation Arlette Villers who inspired countless new Faction Warfare Militia members with her famous quote:
"The Federation is not a defined region of space, of planets, of mountains, rivers, or woods. It is a vision." - President of the Federation, Arlette Villers. CE 23154.6.2
Words matter. And her words are the foundation from which our militia draws strength. Thank you Arlette Villers.
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Cuci Cairi
520
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Posted - 2014.09.25 22:16:00 -
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Why are you proposing this to a bunch of capsuleers? Go talk to the Senate if you want it done. -á |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2541
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Posted - 2014.09.25 22:19:00 -
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Consider this an editorial or opinion piece - not an official proposal. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1271
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Posted - 2014.09.26 03:28:00 -
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Don't worry about this. Rather soon the gallentean oppression in Nennamaila will be lifted and bodies of gallentean occupants will be sent back to their homes in plastic bags.
We don't just leave out citizens to misery under gallenteans. Those, who endured these years will be honored as heroes. Those, who collaborated, will be executed as traitors.
But everyone, especially you, X Gallentius, should have already learned one thing: Caldari ALWAYS return.
Glory to the State! |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy Imperial Outlaws.
642
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Posted - 2014.09.26 08:56:00 -
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Yes yes yes....would you like to add a TM to the end of that?
-Eran |
Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2014.09.26 10:14:00 -
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Silly Mister Mintor...
Soon-¬ is now property of the Caldari State! Why? Because it has a -¬ at the end of it. The rest of the cluster should henceforth use terms like briefly, shortly or promptly or risk paying charges for wrongly usage of Soon-¬.
On a side note, it would be pretty cool to see a system renamed! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1271
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Posted - 2014.09.26 11:08:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Yes yes yes....would you like to add a TM to the end of that? -Eran I might... in the form of a Thermal Missile. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2543
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:41:00 -
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While I respect Diana Kim's enthusiasm and willingness to fight on the front lines, the cold hard facts are that Nennamaila has been under Federation protection for so long that its citizens (both immigrants recent immigrants who have arrived since its liberation and the locals who were here from the beginning) are loyal to the Federation in all but name. Nennamaila is as more secure than Villore, and is as secure as Vilinnon, and Vilur. Why not allow "Villers" to the V roster of names?
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JP Eulienne
University of Caille Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:44:00 -
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No-one biting? For shame. |
Cuci Cairi
520
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Posted - 2014.09.26 15:30:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: ...Nennamaila has been under Federation protection for so long that its citizens (both immigrants recent immigrants who have arrived since its liberation and the locals who were here from the beginning) are loyal to the Federation in all but name.
Even capsuleers have a longer memory than this. You apparently think very little of the emotional fortitude of those living on the planet. -á |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2543
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Posted - 2014.09.26 15:34:00 -
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Cuci Cairi wrote:X Gallentius wrote: ...Nennamaila has been under Federation protection for so long that its citizens (both immigrants recent immigrants who have arrived since its liberation and the locals who were here from the beginning) are loyal to the Federation in all but name.
Even capsuleers have a longer memory than this. You apparently think very little of the emotional fortitude of those living on the planet. And you give them very little credit when it comes to making rational decisions about their individual lives.
tbh, nothing would change from the current status quo (Nennamaila is a sovereign Federation system) with the exception of honoring President Villers. |
Cuci Cairi
520
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Posted - 2014.09.26 15:41:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Cuci Cairi wrote:X Gallentius wrote: ...Nennamaila has been under Federation protection for so long that its citizens (both immigrants recent immigrants who have arrived since its liberation and the locals who were here from the beginning) are loyal to the Federation in all but name.
Even capsuleers have a longer memory than this. You apparently think very little of the emotional fortitude of those living on the planet. And you give them very little credit when it comes to making rational decisions about their individual lives. tbh, nothing would change from the current status quo (Nennamaila is a sovereign Federation system) with the exception of honoring President Villers.
And arbitrarily renaming the home of billions of people. They should probably be consulted about the notion. -á |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2543
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Posted - 2014.09.26 15:47:00 -
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Cuci Cairi wrote:And arbitrarily renaming the home of billions of people. They should probably be consulted about the notion. Not arbitrary at all. Nennamaila is home of the strongest militia fleet in all of New Eden, is a sovereign Federation system, and President Villers is its inspirational leader. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6365
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:35:00 -
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Oh! I know! Let's put it to a vote! You all are fond of those things, right?
So-- the baseliner populations of Nennamaila are the ones to vote on this, right? Even though these populations will mostly be ethnically Caldari, of course; the number who have become federal citizens is probably not high. Or will you disenfranchise the ethnic Caldari in favor of the federal citizens you've brought in to support your military operations? Though if that's the case, couldn't you just import enough naval personnel to get a 'yes' vote?
Huh. This 'democracy in an occupied territory' thing seems slightly problematic.
Not that you'd notice it, what with 'For Glory of Righteous Democratic People's Gallente State' or whatnot stenciled onto the sides of your ships. Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2543
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:40:00 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Oh! I know! Let's put it to a vote! You all are fond of those things, right?
So-- the baseliner populations of Nennamaila are the ones to vote on this, right? Even though these populations will mostly be ethnically Caldari, of course; the number who have become federal citizens is probably not high. Or will you disenfranchise the ethnic Caldari in favor of the federal citizens you've brought in to support your military operations? Though if that's the case, couldn't you just import enough naval personnel to get a 'yes' vote?
Huh. This 'democracy in an occupied territory' thing seems slightly problematic.
Not that you'd notice it, what with 'For Glory of Righteous Democratic People's Gallente State' or whatnot stenciled onto the sides of your ships. 1. It's not an occupied territory, it's a Gallente Federation Sovereign system. 2. I would personally love to put it to a vote, but this is a summit and my original post was an editorial/opinion piece honoring a great person. 3. I have "For the Federation!" stenciled on the side of my Federation Navy Comet. You can't see it because it's in camoflage.
There are worse things out there than honoring a great (Intaki born) leader of the Federation. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1275
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:55:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:While I respect Diana Kim's enthusiasm and willingness to fight on the front lines, the cold hard facts are that Nennamaila has been under Federation protection for so long that its citizens (both immigrants recent immigrants who have arrived since its liberation and the locals who were here from the beginning) are loyal to the Federation in all but name. Nennamaila is as more secure than Villore, and is as secure as Vilinnon, and Vilur. Why not allow "Villers" to the V roster of names?
The Caldari Prime was under gallentean occupation for about two hundred years. Just three years of oppression by gallentes in Nennamaila is nothing, our citizens could endure way more.
And Nennamaila will be secure only after the last gallentean occupant in the system will be exterminated. Until this time, it is warzone. And any federal in there is a subject to elimination on contact. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1275
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:59:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote: 1. It's not an occupied territory, it's a Gallente Federation Sovereign system.
Incorrect. Nennamaila is the State system, that is, unfortunately, still under Gallente occupation. And we won't stop fighting, until the last of gallentean in the system will be alive.
X Gallentius wrote: 2. I would personally love to put it to a vote, but this is a summit and my original post was an editorial/opinion piece honoring a great person.
Gallentean oppressors can vote in the system as much as they want, but it won't save them from death and the system from liberation of gallente occupants.
X Gallentius wrote: 3. I have "For the Federation!" stenciled on the side of my Federation Navy Comet. You can't see it because it's in camoflage.
There are worse things out there than honoring a great (Intaki born) leader of the Federation.
All leaders of the Federation will be forgotten after the Federation will be destroyed. This anti-human organization did nothing good except atrocities and crimes against humanity. It must be eradicated from existence at all costs. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
468
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Posted - 2014.09.29 11:39:00 -
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Of course, whom else to expect to post propositions (even non-legal ones, I'm aware this is the IGS) that complicate the bureaucratic clusterf*** that is the star system nomenclature furthermore.
...than a Federal bureaucrat.
Also, hasn't your beloved Senate signed the Yoiul Conference? Again, I'm no bureaucrat and am under no jurisdiction of the bodies that signed it, but I'm sure there were some chapters there about uniforming star system names. Probably for a good reason. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2546
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:37:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Of course, whom else to expect to post propositions (even non-legal ones, I'm aware this is the IGS) that complicate the bureaucratic clusterf*** that is the star system nomenclature furthermore.
...than a Federal bureaucrat. Who are you talking about? I'm a member of the Gallente Militia - putting my ships at risk for a cause. What are you? A pirate that kills young capsuleer on a low sec border with in the Domain region? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1277
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:42:00 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Of course, whom else to expect to post propositions (even non-legal ones, I'm aware this is the IGS) that complicate the bureaucratic clusterf*** that is the star system nomenclature furthermore.
...than a Federal bureaucrat.
Also, hasn't your beloved Senate signed the Yoiul Conference? Again, I'm no bureaucrat and am under no jurisdiction of the bodies that signed it, but I'm sure there were some chapters there about uniforming star system names. Probably for a good reason. Only fools would believe gallente signatures. Whatever they have signed, they can just ignore. An example would be this operation Highlander, which didn't just contained war crimes, but was a war crime as a whole and a violation of the treaty, signed by gallentean president himself just six years ago.
The only thing that gallenteans will understand - is the force. At the moment we are still liberating systems from gallentean oppression, that were captured and occupied during last gallentean raids. Many prisoners of war and oppressed civilians were released, and they returned happily to their daily duties. And many systems are still under oppression, this Nennamaila is one of them. Eventually, we will take care about all and every one of them.
Gallentean occupants will find on our worlds only one thing:
THE DEATH |
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2547
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Posted - 2014.09.29 14:30:00 -
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4027
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Posted - 2014.09.29 15:12:00 -
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Part of the problem here is that you seem to think we're fascists. We're not. The word has a correct technical meaning, it's not just a catch-all insult aimed at whole societies.
Fascism, you see, hinges on a unified national state which wields immense power, which is the precise opposite of the Caldari corporate-meritocratic system. In the State (with an upper-case S) the state (with a small s) is weak and has only a few limited powers and sharply limited legal authority over the autonomous action of the State's (with an upper-case S) constituent corporations. So the State (big S) is not so much a state (small s) as it is a treaty organisation. It's a little bit mis-named, really. Not to mention confusing in conversations such as this.
In case you hadn't noticed, our recent flirtation with ACTUAL fascism, where a political faction sought to unify and mobilize our people under a strong and central (small s) state actually ended with the fascists in question being declared enemies of the State (both in the big S and the small s sense) and driven out.
So, no, Nennamaila was not, quote: "liberated from the fascists of the Caldari State" because: A: we're not fascists and B: because it's not "liberation" if we were the first ones to colonise that system. You can't liberate settlers from a government by which they consent to be governed, by imposing a government by which they do NOT consent to be governed. The very idea is contradictory.
Liberation would require occupation and there was no prior indigenous settlement in Nennamaila (that I know of) for us to occupy. Technically, the Gallente are the occupiers and the system will only become "liberated" once it's back in Caldari hands.
Now if you want to wholesale own that place, fine. We'll sell it to you for a fair price. You want to name it after a famous Intaki, go for it. You can call your property whatever you want, once it is your property. Butuntil a treaty is ratified ceding it to the Federation, Black Rise belongs to the Caldari, and to hell with any CONCORD act or starship GUI that says otherwise. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Claudia Osyn
The Scope Gallente Federation
960
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Posted - 2014.09.29 15:28:00 -
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Not to rain on your parade, but wouldn't renaming the system just give them added incentive to try and take it back? You'd just be giving them the opportunity to shoot for a major morale boost... The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1277
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Posted - 2014.09.30 05:45:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Part of the problem here is that you seem to think we're fascists. We're not. The word has a correct technical meaning, it's not just a catch-all insult aimed at whole societies.
Mr. Stitcher, I believe he thinks so about CALDARI, about those, who are fighting and dedicating their lives to free these systems including Nennamaila from gallentean oppression. Not about fake Caldari like you and other traitors, dissidents and outcasts, who are hiding in wormholes, and can only flap their tongues instead of actually being Caldari and fighting for the State. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4027
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Posted - 2014.09.30 11:29:00 -
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So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1394
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Posted - 2014.09.30 12:38:00 -
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Surprise, surprise.
It's a dumb proposal and really not all that great of a name suggestion anyway.
Beyond the fact that changing a system's name doesn't actually do anything except make you look like an idiot (since the residents sure aren't going to give enough of a damn to play along, and nobody else cares), there's no need to run around emulating the Republic by giving two systems incredibly similar names. I suppose, at least, that the two systems would be several jumps apart unlike that nonsense in Evati, but still.
If you're going to go running around proclaiming to be some sort of beacon of goodness, you're supposed to set the example, not follow bad ones like a fool. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Owner, The Golden Masque
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:04:00 -
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Aww... So no system renaming? Bummer.
How can I watch history being made if things stay the same? No fair! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1280
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Posted - 2014.09.30 15:38:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted. Yet I never said he was RIGHT.
Besides, if he wanted to insult anyone with word 'fascist', he insulted only himself, since through the history, it was the Gallente Federation, that was using fascist government system. |
Claudia Osyn
The Scope Gallente Federation
962
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Posted - 2014.09.30 22:30:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Stitcher wrote:So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted. Yet I never said he was RIGHT. Besides, if he wanted to insult anyone with word 'fascist', he insulted only himself, since through the history, it was the Gallente Federation, that was using fascist government system. F**k the government.... All of them, for that matter. The lack of money is the root of all evil. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2552
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Posted - 2014.09.30 22:35:00 -
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Haters gonna hate.
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