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Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
332
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Posted - 2014.10.01 01:53:00 -
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Maybe they would hate it less if we put the new name up to the highest bidder? |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4028
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Posted - 2014.10.01 01:59:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Stitcher wrote:So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted. Yet I never said he was RIGHT.
Hence: "tacitly".
An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
88
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Posted - 2014.10.01 02:04:00 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Aww... So no system renaming? Bummer.
How can I watch history being made if things stay the same? No fair!
And start a bureaucratic clusterfuck? Have you any idea just how much paperwork has to be passed around just to change the surname of a singular individual? Now apply that to a whole system. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1282
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:41:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Stitcher wrote:So, you'd rather tacitly agree with a hostile foreigner's unjust and inaccurate opinions about the State than miss an opportunity to insult me. Duly noted. Yet I never said he was RIGHT. Hence: "tacitly". Tacitly only for you, since you aren't acting in the interests of the State and Caldari people anyway. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4029
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:40:00 -
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That assertion will not magically become accurate just because you keep repeating it, you know. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1285
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Posted - 2014.10.01 19:37:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:That assertion will not magically become accurate just because you keep repeating it, you know. I would better say it won't stop being accurate, unless you will start fighting in the interests of the State. But taking into account your demeanor towards greatest Caldari hero, Caldari lives and fate of our citizens, I don't see this happening in the foreseeable future. |
Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
28
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Posted - 2014.10.01 19:44:00 -
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I thought Mister Stitcher was in cahoots with those Sansha meanies. Doesn't that kinda invalidate whatever nice things he says about the State? |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4029
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Posted - 2014.10.01 23:34:00 -
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You know, if the toasters had a sense of humour they'd be laughing at that idea. I couldn't be less in cahoots with the Sansha if I tried. And believe me, I'm trying. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Lucien Rouen
6258
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Posted - 2014.10.02 18:59:00 -
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Why change the name when we can just incorporate it? The Federation is a new era for the planet and its inhabitants. Their own name will come to signify that over time. Their name has already changed in meaning and will continue to do so, regardless of what the literal series of letters happen to be. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2558
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:13:00 -
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Lucien Rouen wrote:Why change the name when we can just incorporate it? The Federation is a new era for the planet and its inhabitants. Their own name will come to signify that over time. Their name has already changed in meaning and will continue to do so, regardless of what the literal series of letters happen to be. In honor of taking the entire warzone last month, our pilots have informally started using "Eagle Rise" for Black Rise, and "Valerian Constellation" for the Urpiken Constellation. The first name is to honor the Eagle on our Emblem, and the second to honor the greatest FW pilot of all time, Val Erian. |
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Lucien Rouen
6345
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Posted - 2014.10.02 19:38:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:Why change the name when we can just incorporate it? The Federation is a new era for the planet and its inhabitants. Their own name will come to signify that over time. Their name has already changed in meaning and will continue to do so, regardless of what the literal series of letters happen to be. In honor of taking the entire warzone last month, our pilots have informally started using "Eagle Rise" for Black Rise, and "Valerian Constellation" for the Urpiken Constellation. The first name is to honor the Eagle on our Emblem, and the second to honor the greatest FW pilot of all time, Val Erian.
I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. The FDU is not the Federation. Should we try to make the Jin-Mei stop using their native terms for their planets? Should the Caldari living in the Federation stop mentioning Cold Wind? No. I support the FDU as much as the next person, but there is no reason for it to turn into its own form of nationalism. |
Rui-Shun Lui
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.10.02 22:28:00 -
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Another callow attempt at political tenue coming, predictably, from the militia. If you are seeking assistance for refugees of Minmatar origin, or if you have proof of official mistreatment of displaced peoples in Federation space, please feel free to contact me.
RS Lui, Private Equity Associate, GIB |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2558
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Posted - 2014.10.02 22:36:00 -
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Lucien Rouen wrote:I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?
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Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
30
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:01:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?
Except these are not meaningless labels "created" by the Caldari, it is the name of a countless number of people's homes.
The meaning etched into the hearth and heart of each family living there. It does not matter what language the name originated from or the ethnicity. Like the Eagle to the Gallente, it means so much more than what it originally represents.
You do yourself and whom you represent a great disservice claiming anything otherwise. Your leaders once called Democracy more than a word. That it was an ideal, and so to is a name.
Respect them. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2559
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:09:00 -
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Vizage wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us? Except these are not meaningless labels "created" by the Caldari, it is the name of a countless number of people's homes. The meaning etched into the hearth and heart of each family living there. It does not matter what language the name originated from or the ethnicity. Like the Eagle to the Gallente, it means so much more than what it originally represents. You do yourself and whom you represent a great disservice claiming anything otherwise. Your leaders once called Democracy more than a word. That it was an ideal, and so to is a name. Respect them. That's your opinion. Let's see some proof. Maybe you can contact some planet bound member from Hykanima and ask him or her to tell us what they think about the name "Urpiken." |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
30
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:19:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Consider this an editorial or opinion piece - not an official proposal.
I would individually point out "your opinion" in this thread but it doesn't take an elder shaman to see this entire thread is "your opinion" and your attempts to defend it.
You have heard from the capsuleer community. The answer is a resounding no, even from your fellow countrymen.
Take it to the proper legislative body and be done with this nonsense.
If you didn't want to hear the opinions of other capsuleer perhaps you shouldn't post your ideas (read: opinions) on a public capsuleer board. |
Zenariae
147
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:37:00 -
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Vizage wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us? Except these are not meaningless labels "created" by the Caldari, it is the name of a countless number of people's homes. The meaning etched into the hearth and heart of each family living there. It does not matter what language the name originated from or the ethnicity. Like the Eagle to the Gallente, it means so much more than what it originally represents. You do yourself and whom you represent a great disservice claiming anything otherwise. Your leaders once called Democracy more than a word. That it was an ideal, and so to is a name. Respect them.
One person's junk are another's treasures I guess and um isn't that what respect teaches us? |
Lucien Rouen
6379
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Posted - 2014.10.03 01:51:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us?
So it is not based on any need or rationale, but purely to try to feed the egos of overconfident FDU pilots. Understood.
Grow up. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
95
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Posted - 2014.10.03 02:28:00 -
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Remember: The best way to **** off the locals is by trying to change something. This include names. Nobody enjoys having to send address-change notices because occupiers change the name of their system. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2559
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Posted - 2014.10.03 02:34:00 -
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Vizage wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Consider this an editorial or opinion piece - not an official proposal. I would individually point out "your opinion" in this thread but it doesn't take an elder shaman to see this entire thread is "your opinion" and your attempts to defend it. You have heard from the capsuleer community. The answer is a resounding no, even from your fellow countrymen. Take it to the proper legislative body and be done with this nonsense. If you didn't want to hear the opinions of other capsuleer perhaps you shouldn't post your ideas (read: opinions) on a public capsuleer board. No, I think a bunch of bitter vocal naysayers have said a resounding "no". Not a big deal to me, tbh. I don't know why you're so bitter about it.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2559
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Posted - 2014.10.03 02:38:00 -
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Lucien Rouen wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us? So it is not based on any need or rationale, but purely to try to feed the egos of overconfident FDU pilots. Understood. Grow up. Relax, man. I was just telling you what our pilots are doing. You don't have to agree with it or get all bitter about it.
Seriously guys. You don't have to go ballistic over this stuff just because your opinion is different from mine. If you don't think President Villers was a great person then that's fine. If you think Caldari should be have the final say in naming Federation systems, then good for you.
The official names for Eagle Rise and the Valerian Constellation are still what most people use. We in the Federation Militia simply call them by other names. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
1267
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Posted - 2014.10.03 06:18:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Lucien Rouen wrote:I still don't understand the need for this sort of thing. There is no "need." However, why should we use meaningless labels created by the Caldari to describe systems and regions when we can use names that have meaning to us? So it is not based on any need or rationale, but purely to try to feed the egos of overconfident FDU pilots. Understood. Grow up. Relax, man. I was just telling you what our pilots are doing. You don't have to agree with it or get all bitter about it. Seriously guys. You don't have to go ballistic over this stuff just because your opinion is different from mine. If you don't think President Villers was a great person then that's fine. If you think Caldari should be have the final say in naming Federation systems, then good for you. The official names for Eagle Rise and the Valerian Constellation are still what most people use. We in the Federation Militia simply call them by other names.
The reason no one here is taking you seriously Xgal - We all know how good you are at naming things.
Evidence is listed below:
Spaceship Bebop
Docked since 2009. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2559
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Posted - 2014.10.03 06:26:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:The reason no one here is taking you seriously Xgal - But can you really take them seriously? |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
237
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Posted - 2014.10.03 07:41:00 -
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"Eagle Rise"? ...Gods, it's not even truly the tackiness of sticking a hyper-patriotic brand on disputed region that bothers me, so much as the sheer creative bankruptcy. You might as well have called it "Freedom Rise" or "Democracy Is The Best Zone".
...Well, no point in picking at the details, I suppose. This'll probably mostly just be a repeat of what others have said already, but nonetheless...
I'm impressed by your enthusiasm in spiritually attempting to dig the Garoun Empire out of it's grave, but if you'd lay down your shovel for a few moments, I'd like to remind you that the Federation has based it's present success on cultural tolerance and long term assimilation, not Imperialism. If you're serious about integrating Caldari back into it's structure - Both in this instance, and as a pure hypothetical, as part of the Federations idealogical aim of the eventual unification of humanity - You'd be better served by making the Caldari feel that their own culture can survive and thrive within the wider Federal community, rather then simply discarding it's edifices because they "don't have meaning to you(r civlization)" before the corpse of their own government is even cold.
And before your rebuttal, 3 years is certainly not "cold" in terms of even individual human life experiences, not to speak of international politics, where cultural identities are frequently known to persist for centuries under foreign rule before fizzling out. If the Empire rolled over Luminaire tomorrow, do you think you'd be entirely comfortable if they renamed the system "Doriam" after less then half a decade? Do you think you'd be entirely comfortable with anything to do with the situation?
The Federations honey has always been in greatest strength. It would be a considerable pity to forsake it and spray vinegar around for the sake of the national ego. |
Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
351
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Posted - 2014.10.03 12:14:00 -
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Morwen Lagann wrote: Beyond the fact that changing a system's name doesn't actually do anything except make you look like an idiot (since the residents sure aren't going to give enough of a damn to play along, and nobody else cares), there's no need to run around emulating the Republic by giving two systems incredibly similar names. I suppose, at least, that the two systems would be several jumps apart unlike that nonsense in Evati, but still.
Remember to roll your r's!
Arrrrrnherr She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1286
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Posted - 2014.10.03 13:02:00 -
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Vizage wrote:X Gallentius wrote:Consider this an editorial or opinion piece - not an official proposal. I would individually point out "your opinion" in this thread but it doesn't take an elder shaman to see this entire thread is "your opinion" and your attempts to defend it. You have heard from the capsuleer community. The answer is a resounding no, even from your fellow countrymen. Take it to the proper legislative body and be done with this nonsense. If you didn't want to hear the opinions of other capsuleer perhaps you shouldn't post your ideas (read: opinions) on a public capsuleer board. That's the problem.
The proper legislative body to rename Nennamaila system would be the Chief Executive Panel. But they would more like detain him instead of listening to him. I feel that was the main reason for him to speaking here.
I can add just one thing: ideas of gallentean criminals won't pass.
Oh, and one more, obligatory thing: Jaijii go home! |
Deitra Vess
Dead Men Rising Circle-Of-Two
50
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:08:00 -
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Why not rename the system after Heth? Its mainly Caldari in ethnicity and lost to the Gallante... |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1287
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:20:00 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Why not rename the system after Heth? Its mainly Caldari in ethnicity and lost to the Gallante... Who teaches minmatars history nowadays? Tribal grannies tell scary stories?
NO. Tibus Heth was the greatest hero of Caldari People. He defeated Gallenteans and returned us our home planet from greedy hands of gallentean occupants. While being Megacorp CEO, Executor and de-facto leader of the whole State, he himself lead ground attack on Caldari Prime against gallentean agressors. He has lost not against Gallente, he has lost to Sansha, and died with honor, like true Caldari officer and Patriot. |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4030
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:15:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Tibus Heth was the greatest hero of Caldari People. He defeated Gallenteans and returned us our home planet from greedy hands of gallentean occupants. While being Megacorp CEO, Executor and de-facto leader of the whole State, he himself lead ground attack on Caldari Prime against gallentean agressors. He has lost not against Gallente, he has lost to Sansha, and died with honor, like true Caldari officer and Patriot.
You're omitting the part where he went crazy, associated openly with a banned terrorist organisation, rode roughshod over the very Caldari laws and traditions he had sworn to uphold, ordered the Homeworld be destroyed, murdered the woman who refused that order, was declared an enemy of the State, invaded megacorporate territory, abandoned his men after being wounded in a shootout with the Navy, and fled into lowsec. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1287
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:27:00 -
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Stitcher wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Tibus Heth was the greatest hero of Caldari People. He defeated Gallenteans and returned us our home planet from greedy hands of gallentean occupants. While being Megacorp CEO, Executor and de-facto leader of the whole State, he himself lead ground attack on Caldari Prime against gallentean agressors. He has lost not against Gallente, he has lost to Sansha, and died with honor, like true Caldari officer and Patriot. You're omitting the part where he went crazy, associated openly with a banned terrorist organisation, rode roughshod over the very Caldari laws and traditions he had sworn to uphold, ordered the Homeworld be destroyed, murdered the woman who refused that order, was declared an enemy of the State, invaded megacorporate territory, abandoned his men after being wounded in a shootout with the Navy, and fled into lowsec. Such disrespect to Caldari culture and our heroes... And that's why you will never be Caldari like us. Go back to your hiding wormhole, hnolku tyuui. |
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