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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2014.09.26 13:43:00 -
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There is another type of troll, actually. It's the kind of trolling I do when I find a topic with too little dialectic - forcing that dialectic to generate greater discussion by posting a very unpopular opinion. A topic with no dialectic, no discussion, with everyone nodding in agreement, is a topic undiscussed. You can drive a whole conversation by forcing an opposing viewpoint, even if you don't really think the way you're posting.
I used to just do regular old Poe's and then one day, I realised I could get people more passionate about an issue by saying something really stupid about it. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:10:00 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:There's two type of trolls: - people that are bored and the other type isn't worth mentioning. Except apparently this guy it says that being a troll is his job... And he loves it. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.09.26 15:56:00 -
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Although I'm only an occasional troll, that article describes me perfectly |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2014.09.26 16:34:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Ria Nieyli wrote:There's two type of trolls: - people that are bored and the other type isn't worth mentioning. Except apparently this guy it says that being a troll is his job... And he loves it.
Also, David Thorne made some decent bank out of trolling. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:20:00 -
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Suprised? |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2396
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Posted - 2014.09.26 17:53:00 -
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but, what about the guys that are doing it for the lulz? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:43:00 -
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hm I wonder...
Did the trolls troll the survey ? |
Grimpak
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
2396
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Posted - 2014.09.27 05:53:00 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:hm I wonder...
Did the trolls troll the survey ? trolls trolling trolling trolls?
...not the first time [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Khalm Hasal
Hasal Industries
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Posted - 2014.09.27 13:35:00 -
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I think Penny Arcade already established this years ago. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:46:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:There is another type of troll, actually. It's the kind of trolling I do when I find a topic with too little dialectic - forcing that dialectic to generate greater discussion by posting a very unpopular opinion. A topic with no dialectic, no discussion, with everyone nodding in agreement, is a topic undiscussed. You can drive a whole conversation by forcing an opposing viewpoint, even if you don't really think the way you're posting.
I used to just do regular old Poe's and then one day, I realised I could get people more passionate about an issue by saying something really stupid about it. Yes, and there's another sub-type. The trolls who are just pranksters, throwing out some absurd nonsense. just to see whether people will notice whether it's pure b.s. or not. Not malicious to sadistic, just a harmless joker who's easily amused by his own bull****.
I think that article used an outdated definition of "troll." They should have consulted with cyber sociologist and updated their internet demography classifications first. "Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
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selket Shihari
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 05:50:00 -
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Psychopath, and Sadist...me in a nutshell lol I AM WHO I AM, TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT |
Kalishka Ashkulf
BUMP POW
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:52:00 -
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Relevent |
jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.28 18:47:00 -
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hi mum \o/
I thought I`d add summat relevant to the thread as per normal |
Ivan Krividus
United Earth Space Council Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2014.10.03 01:52:00 -
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Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists? Not this one. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2014.10.03 09:39:00 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:hm I wonder...
Did the trolls troll the survey ?
Trollception GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:35:00 -
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...and white, cis-gendered, mysogynist men.
The Internet is SCARY! "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
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Posted - 2014.10.03 19:26:00 -
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My eyes bleed in agony at this article.
So to keep a somewhat modicum of decency and logic into this thread, I will propose something else.
I actually believe and have some basis to theorize, that people on the internet are not sadists nor belong to this extremely "catchy" phrase people spout as "The Dark Tetrad" , but basing myself on historical facts and more recent studies and using my own intelligence, I can safely assume trolls in the internet are just humans:
a) That are at the moment of posting devoid of meaningful social interactions that would help them channel their thoughts elsewhere b) Carrying everyday frustrations from lack of accomplished goals (monetary, political or love based) c) Needing to assert presence in any form to feed their ego (the need to make others acknowledge they exist) d) Seeing others assert their presence by methods they find internally morally wrong or representing ideals they reject e) Finding ways of quelling their fear of death (and thus non existence) in ways that make them be the center of attention f) Enjoying the small/large amount of presence they generate asserting them as human beings fulfilling a goal g) Perceived lack of consequences and reinforcing the behavior giving a tangible reward with minimal effort h) Vicar-learning of said behaviors show a high level of goal accomplishments in virtual lands Etc. And this is just me writing as I go without much thought, could be further polished I know but bear with me.
My point?
Trolling in it-¦s most raw form (which needs to be differentiated from propaganda based smear attacks that have a finite goal and are another topic) to me only shows a deep seated need from HUMANS to show they EXIST.
"The Need to Exist" as I dub it is a common form of human expression, and only by peers we can satisfy that need. In the virtual world of the "internet" we are just migrating needs from our real life "social contracts" into this playground.
This leads to the eternal quandary of "why people post" at all on any kind of forums or boards if we want to refine this idea.
We are fulfilling social needs, we believe our opinion is important and knowing someone will read and even reply to anything we post gives us reaffirmation.
Trolling is the "negative" (no need to be verbose) way to contribute to this social game.
Fact is, facebook and many other social platforms thrive on this need to be acknowledged. The experiments that show depressing status updates actually alter behavior of people that read it only show many of the common cues of social interaction do exist in virtual land and can be exploited.
Why I bring this? Because in the land of virtual millions, trolling is the shortest route to impose your presence and be acknowledged if only for a brief time, cause a reaction, express your discomfort.
Does this imply people are actually sadists for trolling? No, just merely humans, and as humans, lack of PROPER SOCIAL CONSTRUCTS can and will erode over time the boundaries society sets upon us, but that is just another topic.
So in short, Trolls are people that are simply outcasts of the current trend (not actual outcasts) and their frustration at not understanding the lightning fast trend of a topic or current issue leads them to such acts. Otherwise they would add an opinion in a consequent manner, or bother to explain their viewpoint, or try to debate or ignore it.
Many of the current dramas I see daily on the net (and the trolling that ensues) is to my eyes badly ported customs of human relationships that in their eagerness to be accepted in a land of nothingness end up looking distorted and people just entrench themselves to protect their viewpoint
What I could fathom is that there is a small basis to show that repeated offenders of trolling as a form of communication are more at risk of developing mental issues, not that they suffer them firsthand (but then again, this is a very delicate point and we are grossly generalizing)
I am also taking a classical "Humanist" approach, almost "Rogerian"
If I could try to make sense of that study in a more analytical manner is to show that trolling can be used as an indicator of personality traits (and by logic a set of people with a high preponderance of certain traits will troll more) , but I find preposterous that such a "study" can be applied to a broader audience (due to lack of better studies) , but like many others have written before, this is at most pseudo-science, so I better go to the source to squash doubts:
If you read this study you can evidently see a more "clinical" approach.
Here we see that the only analysis of the scant studies show that trolling is indeed a PLEASURABLE act for a group of people that have a high incidence of behavioral traits classified under "sadism" (which please understand has been stricken off the newest DSM manuals as a mental disorder and is seen now as a more complex construct)
And it kinda makes sense.
Even the article mentions that some authors have shown that anti-social individuals use more technology and thus have a broader presence in the internet.
I can reconcile my view with the study by showing that trolling (using vicar learning) can actually erode people-¦s conceptions of what society deems normal.
So if you have kept with me so far, I believe we can agree that trolling by itself is a negative form of expression, but repeated use shows a high incidence of behavioral traits that are not normal and that it can affect entire communities by repeated use, degrading them, because people will learn that such forms of expression are now "normal"
Food for thought.
o/ Inner Sayings of BrujoLoco: http://eve-files.com/sig/brujoloco |
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