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SupaL33tH4x0r Regime
Minmatar Gallente VOID
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:24:00 -
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Dear CCP, Thanks for nerfing loot then nerfing the reprocess rates of loot due to mineral compression. Now the loot i salvage goes for less sold and even less as minerals that i was using to build ammunition and other useful items, running the math its better for me just to buy ammo then to try and build it. Its also more of a head ache to go through several hundred items to sell each stack compared to bulk reprocess after shifting through the valuables. We need a bulk sale order now since it is no long worth the time to reprocess anything other then ore.
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Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
699
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:47:00 -
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You're welcome.
Loot isn't supposed to be a significant source of minerals. Things may change once they re-balance the various meta modules. |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6248
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Posted - 2014.09.26 14:54:00 -
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SupaL33tH4x0r Regime wrote:it is no long worth the time to reprocess anything other then ore.
Maybe you missed it, but that was the whole point. CCP & the community in general didn't believe that gun mining should have been such a huge source of minerals. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
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Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
96
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Posted - 2014.09.26 18:31:00 -
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The last time I built ammo was during the tutorials. |
Captain Enigmatic
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.26 20:24:00 -
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Idea: Don't loot or salvage. Take your salvage alt, put it into a bs, and double your dps. More bounties, less irritating work.
Honestly I just let the salvage pile up for a long while before I sell. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29513
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Posted - 2014.09.26 23:16:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:SupaL33tH4x0r Regime wrote:it is no long worth the time to reprocess anything other then ore.
Maybe you missed it, but that was the whole point. CCP & the community in general didn't believe that gun mining should have been such a huge source of minerals. Um, gonna disagree with your statement since Mission Runners are the ones who were directly affected by that change. Loot and salvage drops have been severely nerfed over time, basically making the Noctis obsolete.
As for "Gun Mining", that phrase was started by Soundwave & Co who organized and heavily pushed a series of changes in-game, all under the guise of revitalizing the Mining Profession, to ultimately create more viable targets for PvP.
Those changes all had a definite negative impact to PvE players. Due to those changes, Mission Runners who wanted to continue doing some basic production on the side had to either buy the minerals from the market or buy and train up skills for mining.
Not to mention one of those changes forced players to train and fly a mining ship as well, thus creating more targets for gan.... er, PvP.
Even though I'm inclined to agree with the OP, I still collect and reprocess the loot even though it's been massively nerfed. In my opinion it's better than sitting in a bright red bulls-eye target mining Ore for minerals. I just won't be doing as much production on the side as I use to do.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1213
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Posted - 2014.09.27 19:49:00 -
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Agreed, the nerf sucks balls. Anyone telling me whats fun and what isn't, go **** in your hat, you're killing the sandbox.
"We don't want a themepark MMO like WoW".
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Celthric Kanerian
Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation
110
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Posted - 2014.09.27 19:59:00 -
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The sell prices were low for a good period of time, but now I'm experiencing that everything I sell, sells for 10% more than the estimated sell price. So for example if I sell a large railgun, the estimated sell price will be 440.000, but it sells for 484000 |
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
497
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Posted - 2014.09.28 19:17:00 -
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Stop whining, start blitzing missions, and start making actual money through LP. |
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising The Bastion
1410
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Posted - 2014.09.28 22:07:00 -
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IMHO ...
CCPGÇÖs 2011 GÇÿgreed is goodGÇÖ efforts (http://theelitist.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/CCP-MT-Bulletin.pdf) met outcry and strident player opposition.
Since then CCP has been quietly shifting the goal-posts continuously to reduce player income and increase player expenditure GǪ and thereby reduce the viability of players earning enough isk to regularly GÇÿplexGÇÖ their accounts. This, in turn, has been increasing the per-player turnover of CCP PLEX-for-bux sales.
Look at all the changes that have been made since the 2011 furore and see how many do not result in either less income or increased expenditure for players. Sure, you can find little niches where things look cheaper (e.g. copies from BPOs) but the big-picture of most of those changes costs us more GǪ or/and delivers us less.
Loot is GÇÿjust one of those thingsGÇÖ and this is just my tuppence worth.
I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. Our pirate epic arc completion packages really are very good: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=12973&find=unread |
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
476
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Posted - 2014.09.29 16:14:00 -
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Train your reprocessing skills and quit whining. Reprocessing loot for materials was never intended to make as much as it was. It finally got the balance pass it should have. If you want to make your own ammo/mods, then mine. |
Cearain
Goose Swarm Coalition
1359
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Posted - 2014.09.29 16:25:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:.... Things may change once they re-balance the various meta modules.
I doubt it will change for the better. I anticipate that after that change even the meta 4 items will be worthless. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1215
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Posted - 2014.09.29 18:29:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Train your reprocessing skills and quit whining. Reprocessing loot for materials was never intended to make as much as it was. It finally got the balance pass it should have. If you want to make your own ammo/mods, then mine.
And kill the sandbox just a little more.
Yeah maybe the percentage of minerals refined was off, but certainly not the mass. I blow up 75 spaceships and only get enough metal to make a cruiser? Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Luwc
Brodozers Inc. Fueling the Fire
232
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Posted - 2014.09.30 14:41:00 -
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Ageudum
Nanashi no Geemu FOX.HOUND
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Posted - 2014.09.30 23:34:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Train your reprocessing skills and quit whining. Reprocessing loot for materials was never intended to make as much as it was. It finally got the balance pass it should have. If you want to make your own ammo/mods, then mine. And kill the sandbox just a little more. Yeah maybe the percentage of minerals refined was off, but certainly not the mass. I blow up 75 spaceships and only get enough metal to make a cruiser?
You melt 75 spaceships with lasers, shred them with drones and autocannons, pulverize them with missiles and hybrid charges, and you're surprised that a very small amount of what's left is actually viable to use for reconstruction?
Are you and I living in the same universe? |
dan skirata
Rolling Static Gone Critical
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:45:00 -
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Ageudum wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Train your reprocessing skills and quit whining. Reprocessing loot for materials was never intended to make as much as it was. It finally got the balance pass it should have. If you want to make your own ammo/mods, then mine. And kill the sandbox just a little more. Yeah maybe the percentage of minerals refined was off, but certainly not the mass. I blow up 75 spaceships and only get enough metal to make a cruiser? You melt 75 spaceships with lasers, shred them with drones and autocannons, pulverize them with missiles and hybrid charges, and you're surprised that a very small amount of what's left is actually viable to use for reconstruction? Are you and I living in the same universe?
I second this statement. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1217
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Posted - 2014.10.03 04:11:00 -
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Ageudum wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Train your reprocessing skills and quit whining. Reprocessing loot for materials was never intended to make as much as it was. It finally got the balance pass it should have. If you want to make your own ammo/mods, then mine. And kill the sandbox just a little more. Yeah maybe the percentage of minerals refined was off, but certainly not the mass. I blow up 75 spaceships and only get enough metal to make a cruiser? You melt 75 spaceships with lasers, shred them with drones and autocannons, pulverize them with missiles and hybrid charges, and you're surprised that a very small amount of what's left is actually viable to use for reconstruction? Are you and I living in the same universe?
Yes, even a tactical nuke leaves behind more mass. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2014.10.03 16:56:00 -
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You are not salvaging the entire ship. You are salvaging a wreck that is just a fraction of what is left of the ship, and then only what the salvager or salvage drones could detect.
If you really want to apply Physics to this, then there shouldn't be anything to salvage at all. When I blow the ship up, the remnants are going to continue to fly off in random directions at a velocity determined by the force of the explosion. There is nothing to slow those remnants down. No gravity. They will not stop until they hit something, or some force grabs them. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1218
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:57:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:You are not salvaging the entire ship. You are salvaging a wreck that is just a fraction of what is left of the ship, and then only what the salvager or salvage drones could detect.
If you really want to apply Physics to this, then there shouldn't be anything to salvage at all. When I blow the ship up, the remnants are going to continue to fly off in random directions at a velocity determined by the force of the explosion. There is nothing to slow those remnants down. No gravity. They will not stop until they hit something, or some force grabs them.
If you really want to apply physics to this, the entire ship isn't going to blow up every time you make it uninhabitable by humans. Once it is swiss cheese it is utterly unusable and no one is alive in it. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2014.10.03 19:11:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:You are not salvaging the entire ship. You are salvaging a wreck that is just a fraction of what is left of the ship, and then only what the salvager or salvage drones could detect.
If you really want to apply Physics to this, then there shouldn't be anything to salvage at all. When I blow the ship up, the remnants are going to continue to fly off in random directions at a velocity determined by the force of the explosion. There is nothing to slow those remnants down. No gravity. They will not stop until they hit something, or some force grabs them. If you really want to apply physics to this, the entire ship isn't going to blow up every time you make it uninhabitable by humans. Once it is swiss cheese it is utterly unusable and no one is alive in it.
Once you blow it up with the equivalent of a thermo nuclear device, it won't be swiss cheese. Once you shoot it bad enough that you rupture the power core and it explodes, it won't be swiss cheese. When you destroy these ships, they explode and fly apart as is evidenced by the graphics. |
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
259
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Posted - 2014.10.03 19:45:00 -
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I rarely salvaged, looted before the last nerf. I don't do it at all anymore. It's way to much work to offload the items after. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1218
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Posted - 2014.10.03 20:27:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:You are not salvaging the entire ship. You are salvaging a wreck that is just a fraction of what is left of the ship, and then only what the salvager or salvage drones could detect.
If you really want to apply Physics to this, then there shouldn't be anything to salvage at all. When I blow the ship up, the remnants are going to continue to fly off in random directions at a velocity determined by the force of the explosion. There is nothing to slow those remnants down. No gravity. They will not stop until they hit something, or some force grabs them. If you really want to apply physics to this, the entire ship isn't going to blow up every time you make it uninhabitable by humans. Once it is swiss cheese it is utterly unusable and no one is alive in it. Once you blow it up with the equivalent of a thermo nuclear device, it won't be swiss cheese. Once you shoot it bad enough that you rupture the power core and it explodes, it won't be swiss cheese. When you destroy these ships, they explode and fly apart as is evidenced by the graphics.
Once you breach the hull the ship is useless. No need to keep shooting it until you destroy the power core.
You can defend the nerf all you want, it ****** the economy even more, it made more people leave the game. If that's what you're into, so be it.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2014.10.03 21:17:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:You are not salvaging the entire ship. You are salvaging a wreck that is just a fraction of what is left of the ship, and then only what the salvager or salvage drones could detect.
If you really want to apply Physics to this, then there shouldn't be anything to salvage at all. When I blow the ship up, the remnants are going to continue to fly off in random directions at a velocity determined by the force of the explosion. There is nothing to slow those remnants down. No gravity. They will not stop until they hit something, or some force grabs them. If you really want to apply physics to this, the entire ship isn't going to blow up every time you make it uninhabitable by humans. Once it is swiss cheese it is utterly unusable and no one is alive in it. Once you blow it up with the equivalent of a thermo nuclear device, it won't be swiss cheese. Once you shoot it bad enough that you rupture the power core and it explodes, it won't be swiss cheese. When you destroy these ships, they explode and fly apart as is evidenced by the graphics. Once you breach the hull the ship is useless. No need to keep shooting it until you destroy the power core. You can defend the nerf all you want, it ****** the economy even more, it made more people leave the game. If that's what you're into, so be it.
Show me proof how badly it ****** the economy. If anything has effed the economy, it is the ease at which people can earn isk in this game. If players are willing to pay a certain price for items on the market, that is how much it is going to sell for. Miners are going to mine. Industrialist are still going to build. Both are going to look at the market and set their selling price based on how much the items are selling for. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1220
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Posted - 2014.10.04 05:38:00 -
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Quote:Show me proof how badly it ****** the economy. If anything has effed the economy, it is the ease at which people can earn isk in this game. If players are willing to pay a certain price for items on the market, that is how much it is going to sell for. Miners are going to mine. Industrialist are still going to build. Both are going to look at the market and set their selling price based on how much the items are selling for.
There's less people playing today than there were before the "expansion", clearly everyone does not share your ideals on what people will and will not pay.
Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Voxinian
62
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Posted - 2014.10.04 09:04:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:I rarely salvaged, looted before the last nerf. I don't do it at all anymore. It's way to much work to offload the items after.
Same. before the last nerv I still used the Noctis and went back to missions spots for the loot, but I really can't be bothered with it anymore... due to large amounts of scrap metal junk. I might as well sell the Noctis now.
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Projak Dynamo
Pro Synergy
2
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Posted - 2014.10.04 10:06:00 -
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Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:You're welcome.
Loot isn't supposed to be a significant source of minerals. Things may change once they re-balance the various meta modules.
But loot is a considerable source of income, and it still is, we just have to get more and more creative to squeeze the profit from it. The Pro Synergy Pilot is not just a fighting man, he is a salvage expert.-áIf it is lost, in the blackness of space, he will find it. If it has been destroyed, he will loot and salvage it. If it is in his way, he will move it. If he is lucky he will be podded 20 jumps from home, for this is the closest he come to being hero.
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.10.05 02:23:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:Show me proof how badly it ****** the economy. If anything has effed the economy, it is the ease at which people can earn isk in this game. If players are willing to pay a certain price for items on the market, that is how much it is going to sell for. Miners are going to mine. Industrialist are still going to build. Both are going to look at the market and set their selling price based on how much the items are selling for. There's less people playing today than there were before the "expansion", clearly everyone does not share your ideals on what people will and will not pay.
What are you basing your numbers off of?
It's not due to the loot nerf. If anything will drive players away, it will be the power projection nerf in November; but if they allow capitol ships in hisec next year, you will some come back. |
Sandrestal
University of Caille Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.10.05 13:47:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:SupaL33tH4x0r Regime wrote:it is no long worth the time to reprocess anything other then ore.
Maybe you missed it, but that was the whole point. CCP & the community in general didn't believe that gun mining should have been such a huge source of minerals.
If what you say is true then why do :
1)Marauders have a bonus for tractor beams
2)Why did CCP come out with the Noctus
3) And most recently why did CCP come out with Mobile Tractor beams
It would seem, over the last couple of years, that your premise is flawed This is just another glaring example of CCP not really understanding their product. My impression is they sit around and think they are really coming up with really cool ideas without fully thinking about the ramifications of what they are introducing. All they wind up doing is alienating their customer base. Obligatory Eve is dying (old business adage "If you ain't growing, you're dying).
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1220
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:49:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:Show me proof how badly it ****** the economy. If anything has effed the economy, it is the ease at which people can earn isk in this game. If players are willing to pay a certain price for items on the market, that is how much it is going to sell for. Miners are going to mine. Industrialist are still going to build. Both are going to look at the market and set their selling price based on how much the items are selling for. There's less people playing today than there were before the "expansion", clearly everyone does not share your ideals on what people will and will not pay. What are you basing your numbers off of? It's not due to the loot nerf. If anything will drive players away, it will be the power projection nerf in November; but if they allow capitol ships in hisec next year, you will some come back.
1. The tranquility server. 2. The people that have stated so.
But I guess they are lying. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
482
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:00:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Estella Osoka wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:Show me proof how badly it ****** the economy. If anything has effed the economy, it is the ease at which people can earn isk in this game. If players are willing to pay a certain price for items on the market, that is how much it is going to sell for. Miners are going to mine. Industrialist are still going to build. Both are going to look at the market and set their selling price based on how much the items are selling for. There's less people playing today than there were before the "expansion", clearly everyone does not share your ideals on what people will and will not pay. What are you basing your numbers off of? It's not due to the loot nerf. If anything will drive players away, it will be the power projection nerf in November; but if they allow capitol ships in hisec next year, you will some come back. 1. The tranquility server. 2. The people that have stated so. But I guess they are lying.
Tranq numbers? Which time periods? If you are comparing number of players from this summer to now, then you're doing it wrong. There are always times during the year when numbers drop off due to school, vacations, etc. |
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