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007Jumper
Tyrant's Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:13:00 -
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Hey Everyone,
Was wondering if anyone else had views on a counter against perm cloaking players. Would be nice to see some type of counter against this, maybe a new set of scanning skills with some unique probes ? or add a timer on the cloak, for example you set cloaked in a system for "X" amount of time than the cloak mod itself starts to take heat damage for being online for to long and after a point it burns out and decloaks your ship and you would have to go repair it like any other mod. Everything else has a counter and i think cloaks need something to act against them and would also make it harder for people to grief in lowsec/nullsec/sov.
Any thoughts ?
o7 |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
2533
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:15:00 -
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Cloaks are harmless and need no counter |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5228
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:17:00 -
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Paikis wrote:This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:
1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following: - "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"
2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.
3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.
4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)
5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.
6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.
7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!
8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.
We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.
9.[ammended as per reccomendation be isd ezwal] ISD member locks the thread for redundancy Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please? =]I[= |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5228
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:18:00 -
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derp, double post =]I[= |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
116
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:18:00 -
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It's not griefing. If it was, CCP would ban him. CCP doesn't like griefers, you know?
And just because you think it's griefing ... ... doesn't mean it's actually griefing.
The correct "solution" to the problem you have ... ... besides you needing to actually realise the actual problem ... ... is to bait the cloaker into attacking you ... ... and having a force ready to deal with what's coming.
Or you can run to the forums. The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6618
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:18:00 -
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I think this topic is new and exciting with high potential for good discussion and a lot of fresh viewpoints. You did a right thing by making your own thread about this issue. |
007Jumper
Tyrant's Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:21:00 -
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is this what the forums are now when you ask a question? |
Korsiri
Epilogue Enterprises
114
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:21:00 -
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No. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5228
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:22:00 -
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007Jumper wrote:is this what the forums are now when you ask a question? did you read my post? =]I[= |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
2535
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:24:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:I think this topic is new and exciting with high potential for good discussion and a lot of fresh viewpoints. You did a right thing by making your own thread about this issue. That's just what I wanted to say... |
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Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
116
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:24:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Paikis wrote:This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:
1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following: - "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"
2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.
3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.
4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)
5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.
6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.
7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!
8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.
We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.
9.[ammended as per reccomendation be isd ezwal] ISD member locks the thread for redundancy Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please? I'll quote this, just to be sure he sees it. The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
122
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:26:00 -
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Also I do believe we're still under attack ... ... but for some reason the servers stopped giving a frell. ^_^
The forums are clearly slower. Posting, without the post being seen after sending, means that there's a delay in between client/servers ... and the occasional blocking of chat messages too hints at something going on.
Oh well ... nice work, CCP! The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
Paranoid Loyd
1985
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:26:00 -
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007Jumper wrote:is this what the forums are now when you ask a question?
It is when the same question is asked over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
122
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:29:00 -
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Hell, these points made me laugh so much ... xD
Paikis is winning the forums with this. xD The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
Hengle Teron
Mew Age Outpaws
2536
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:31:00 -
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Priscilla Project wrote:Also I do believe we're still under attack ... ... but for some reason the servers stopped giving a frell. ^_^
The forums are clearly slower. Posting, without the post being seen after sending, means that there's a delay in between client/servers ... and the occasional blocking of chat messages too hints at something going on.
Oh well ... nice work, CCP! probably some counter-measures |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6543
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:34:00 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Cloaks are harmless and need no counter
^^this
Poasting in afk cloaking thread #9997689
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
007Jumper
Tyrant's Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:35:00 -
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yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right? |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
129
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:37:00 -
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007Jumper wrote:yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?
Dude. Give it a rest.
The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
Paranoid Loyd
1987
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:37:00 -
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Let's get this over with and skip to 8 so 9 can happen.
Can I have your stuff? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5231
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:38:00 -
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007Jumper wrote:yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right? The answer is : HTFU =]I[= |
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Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
129
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:40:00 -
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First!
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Paikis wrote:This thread comes up on almost a weekly basis. In fact, I'd be surprised if there wasn't a nerf cloaking thread in the first 2 pages on this forum section. Almost every single one of them goes like this:
1. OP posts a post with a new (lol) idea that always boils down to some variation of the following: - "There's a big meanie who is sitting in my system and not doing anything, but I don't know where he is and I can't ever just go next door. I can't find said meanie and even though I know that he's probably at work and poses no threat at all, I wont do anything in my system that I absolutely can't leave ever because he might not be at work and I might lose a ship. CCP please stop the meanie from being able to do nothing to me because he's probably at work"
2. Thread gets trolled because its been done literally to death. This horse has been beaten so hard and so often that it's little more than a memory of a memory of a red smear on the grass, and yet it STILL WONT DIE! In fact it's been done so many times that this particular horse is now undead; even if it does die, it will still be remembered and parodied.
3. Someone comes along and suggests that AFK cloakers can't hurt you, because they are, by their very definition, AFK. No one ever lost a ship to someone who ISN'T PLAYING THE GAME.
4. Someone else comes along and points out that while the cloaker might be AFK, he might not be, and so we have Schrodinger's Hot Dropper. The cyno pilot who might be AFK... but he might not be as well, and you will only know for sure when he decloaks, points and lights his candle. (Yes, I know this isn't how the cat works)
5. Someone else comes along and suggests that you use bait and setup a TARP. Or have a defence fleet on standby. Heaven forbid you have to actually fight to defend your space.
6. A further person comes along and suggests that the problem isn't cloaking AFK in your system that you can't possibly leave ever, but that you KNOW that the person is AFK in your system... and perhaps local should be removed because free 100% accurate intel is probably not the best thing in the game and if you didn't know that the big meanie was in your system, you wouldn't be worried about leaving the undock/POS.
7. Then another person pokes their head in and complains that local is 100% NEEDED because D-Scan and probing are such bad mechanics, and IF YOU TAKE MY LOCAL AWAY IM QUITTING FOREVER AND NO YOU CAN'T HAVE MY STUFF!
8. Someone asks if they can have 7's stuff.
We end up with another thread which goes on for pages and pages between complains about local, defence fleets, inability to just go next door, people who aren't playing the game but are playing the meta, lots of bickering and in the end nothing gets solved. CCP wont remove cloaking because it would mess with waaay too many things and it creates content (which is a good thing) by removing content (which is a bad thing) but they can't really think of any way to do it without a complete overhaul of the local and scanning systems.
9.[ammended as per reccomendation be isd ezwal] ISD member locks the thread for redundancy Now that I've had this entire thread's conversation, can we just let it die? Please? The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6545
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:41:00 -
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OP needs to review the following thread.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
129
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:41:00 -
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We need this for every topic, Ralph! You're brilliant for posting this, really!
The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5231
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:42:00 -
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Link to the original post https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspxg=posts&m=4374522#post4374522
Bookmark it so that ye may spread the word of paikis! =]I[= |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
129
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:43:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: Hail Paikis, the true saviour of the forums! The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
280
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:43:00 -
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007Jumper wrote:yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?
Why would you want CCP to hold your hand? Just because the big cloaky meanie scares you? |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
129
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:44:00 -
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Ralph, I keep clicking that link and only get "WE WERE GANKED" -.-
And mal ... please... don't. -.- The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
malcovas Henderson
THoF
280
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:46:00 -
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Priscilla Project wrote:
And mal ... please... don't. -.-
I'm bored
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5233
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Posted - 2014.09.26 21:48:00 -
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Fixed it =]I[= |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
5601
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Posted - 2014.09.26 22:27:00 -
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007Jumper wrote:yea its a question thats been said a million times... but yet that needs an answer why CCP wont simply add something to find them or limits on how long they can have the cloak online, simply add a high cap drain would do it but yea besides talking down to someone just asking a question, why not be supportive. Maybe you'll have a question one day just like me and respect good answers not bs ones. Everything should have a pro and a con to it right?
CCP won't add it because Cloaking isn't broken. The fact that you choose to allow some guy spending his day down at the pub to prevent you from doing what you want in your system is not a game mechanical problem.
Cloaking has several cons. For example (and it's kind of a biggie): The complete inability to interact with the game world around you.
Now, all of this has been hashed out, you know, many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many times, which you'd know if you'd bothered to search. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
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