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Jasik Nair
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Posted - 2006.08.07 21:52:00 -
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Which is the best Assault Frigate for missions? I'm not looking to try L4 missions or anything. I'm just looking for some input on AFs. While Gallente has been my focus, it's time to branch out to other races if they are better.
Ishkurs have been great through L2 missions. Have not really tried L3s in it, but a friend says many L3 missions are doable in an Ishkur.
Thoughts?
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Nukeitall
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Posted - 2006.08.07 22:01:00 -
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Edited by: Nukeitall on 07/08/2006 22:02:39 Ishkur. A hawk might be good, also. (Raven mentality sinking in here)
EDIT: People will also swear by the Enyo, but I hate the thing personally. --------- >>Disclaimer: Anything Nukeitall says is not to be taken seriously. Mostly. |
Ismern
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.08 00:52:00 -
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As he said: Ishkur.
You can easily tank the damage while letting your drones slaughter everything. I used an Ishkur to quickly grind through L2 and early L3 kill missions on my way up to L4 missions. Ships were popping so fast that I couldn't even target them.
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Skybar
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Posted - 2006.08.08 01:38:00 -
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I've recently started doing missions and the Wolf makes level 2 missions very easily - only times that has been tough has been when i havent had a proper tank fitted (alot of hardener/energized switching between missions for it to be perfect tanked.
Will be interesting when I reach level 3 missions, I will try to get back here by then.
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franny
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2006.08.08 05:51:00 -
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most lvl 3 missions for the Gallente are doable in an ishkur there are a couple that get VERY scary but I did a large number of lvl 3 missions in an ishkur
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Miss Overlord
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Posted - 2006.08.08 07:41:00 -
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ishkur and the enyo are good for the amarr ones retribution is ok.
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Olivin
Gallente Aquarium
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Posted - 2006.08.08 09:55:00 -
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Well, that depends on the rats you are against.
- Ishkur ( with top drones skills) can handle everything and PVP. It's a best ship for low sec ratting and missions. - Blaster Enyo ( with top skills) can handle all lvl3 and lvl4 mission against Serpentis and Guristas. - Retribution can tank any lvl4 mission against Angels, but sometimes you will have a problem with your damage. However, Ishkur sucks in some plexes and for COSMOS missions, especially Ani. Retribution, on another hand, is very good for it.
Olivin
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Cupdeez
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Posted - 2006.08.08 17:18:00 -
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well to switch to caldari will take a lot of time. I would change to a race that aslo uses guns.
I have a few players that can use t2 guns and the most fun seems to be the minnies. Them damn projectiles heheh hit hard.
just my .o2 cents
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Durindana
Gallente Solar Wind Distant Star Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.08 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Durindana on 08/08/2006 17:54:11 If your skills suffice, I'd say stick with Ishkur and Gallente.
If, however, your tanking won't hold up in the tougher lvl3's, I suggest Harpy.
You'll use hybrids, like Gallente, so your gun skills transfer. The Harpy's range bonuses make it a natural rails sniper for those truly mean lvl3's that need it, while you can still fit blasters and maul through easier ones.
p.s. Originally by: Cupdeez well to switch to caldari will take a lot of time. I would change to a race that aslo uses guns.
Uhhh Caldari don't use only missiles. Not everyone flies a goddamn Raven
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NetHawk
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Posted - 2006.08.08 20:35:00 -
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Quote:
Uhhh Caldari don't use only missiles. Not everyone flies a goddamn Raven
You're right, only Caldari BS pilots do...
I've done 95% of missions in a railed Enyo and a Ishkur. Both are fairly easy the only missions that really give you fits are Angel missions and you need to absolutely focus on killing anything that webs you. Small Rep 2 is a must as well as tech 2 rails if you're in an enyo. Make sure you get AF skill to 4 if you plan on using the Ishkur.
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Alitha Maru
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.08.08 21:25:00 -
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I have flown many Minmatar and Gallente lvl3 missions in my Retribution and haven't had a single problem yet. I have even done some easier level 4's in it. I use 4 x Medium Modulated Pulse Energy Beams with X-Ray/Multispec., Afterburner (best you can afford), 1xEnergized Magnetic II, 2xEnergized Thermic IIs, 100mm plate and a small Acco repper.
I am sure the setup could be better, but so far I haven't had any problems. My armor res are 60/80/80/80 with skills. |
Dahak2150
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Posted - 2006.08.08 21:43:00 -
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Retribution.
0 ammo consumption, fewer expenses (read, none).
Tanks like a madman and looks awesome as well. ---------- My sig is boring. |
Hex'Caliber
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Posted - 2006.08.11 11:44:00 -
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Edited by: Hex''Caliber on 11/08/2006 11:51:11 I can vouch for the enyo; I use it for running level 3's more often than not with blasters, only need to switch to rails for one or two. A couple of the level 4's are also doable with the enyo but it all comes down to where you have invested your time training. 4 X t2 neutrons 5th your choice nos or rockets, mid gist type a ab x5 proto webber, lows 2 energised plating npc specific (against serps I drop in a magstab in place of one and use an adaptive nano in place of the other) t2 sar and pds. I can now run the whole lot constantly without emptying cap
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Jasik Nair
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Posted - 2006.08.11 21:01:00 -
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Great!! Thanks for all the fantastic info. It's nice to know that I can stick with small ships and still enjoy so much of EVE.
Q1.) No one has mentioned Minmatar. Do their AFs suck? Q2.) Are T2 weapons a must?
I have my gunnery support skills to 4 (Gunnery, Weap Upgrades to 5, AWU to 4) and small hybrid / projectile to 4. Working on getting all my missile skills to 4 as well.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.11 21:53:00 -
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Well the Wolf kind of sucks(PVE). Minm armor tankers arent too great for missions.
The Jag is pretty cool but its damage is low compared to other AFs.
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Olivin
Gallente Aquarium
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Posted - 2006.08.12 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jasik Nair
Q1.) No one has mentioned Minmatar. Do their AFs suck?
Wolf great against laser rats ( sansha, blood, etc) But Enyo, Ishkur and Retributuon better because you will be more felixible against all other rats.
Originally by: Jasik Nair
Q2.) Are T2 weapons a must?
Yes, if you want to use AF at full potential. Which also means Advance Ammo.
Olivin
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Helene Troi
Gallente TROJAN VENTURE
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Posted - 2006.08.12 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Well the Wolf kind of sucks(PVE). Minm armor tankers arent too great for missions.
The Jag is pretty cool but its damage is low compared to other AFs.
What a pile of poo...
Either of these ships can do any lvl 3 I'd hesitate to add the harder mordus mission though ('cos I use an ishkur for it) but reckon they'd do it eventually...
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Lazy8s
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Posted - 2006.08.12 13:49:00 -
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I don't mean to hijack the thread but I'm a noob to assault frigs. Someone said the Hawk could do lvl 3 missions? Any idea if this is true? My bro and I have really been wanting to try the Hawks but we're afraid we'll have to step back down to lvl2 missions and honestly lvl3's are worth alot more isk.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2006.08.12 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ghoest on 12/08/2006 20:24:53
Originally by: Helene Troi
Originally by: Ghoest Well the Wolf kind of sucks(PVE). Minm armor tankers arent too great for missions.
The Jag is pretty cool but its damage is low compared to other AFs.
What a pile of poo...
Either of these ships can do any lvl 3 I'd hesitate to add the harder mordus mission though ('cos I use an ishkur for it) but reckon they'd do it eventually...
I didnt say they couldnt do missions. I said they werent very good.
The wolf is only ok against Sanshas and Blood raiders, but most Minm pilots arent focusing on them. It is really sucky against Angels. Im sure you can do the mission, but it woulkd be hard compared to other AFs.
And The jag has crappy DPS. It can tank anything, but it takes longer than other AFs to kill stuff.
Remember the question here - "whats the best AF". Its not whats the worst AF than can still do lvl 3s.
So Helene why dont you go eat your "pile of poo".
Wherever you went - here you are.
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Clorthos
Gallente Tau Ceti Global Production
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Posted - 2006.08.12 20:23:00 -
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ishkur
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente easyCredits
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:02:00 -
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I liked my Rail-Enyo for Level3 Missions.
Blasters are nice, but if you get webbed you can only warp out or die, so I would go for 125mm rails ll during mission.
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Helene Troi
Gallente TROJAN VENTURE
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Posted - 2006.08.13 08:31:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
all what he said...
Oddly a Wolf is the only AF with which Ive managed to do massive attack, slavers II and angel extravaganza without warping out midway so I am bound to defend it when someone else says it's no good...
I wouldn't even attempt those missions in a gallente AF...
Admittedly it needed a full cargo of ammo for the trip but hey?
Ishkur meets a drawback when the rats kill your drones, they seem to do that a lot,esp on the harder and more populated missions...
Blaster enyo I like for its damage vs larger ships but dislike because its so freakin' slow...
and you can keep the poo... The price of Freedom is eternal vigilance... |
Kolmogorow
Freedom Resources
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Posted - 2006.08.13 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest The wolf is only ok against Sanshas and Blood raiders, but most Minm pilots arent focusing on them. It is really sucky against Angels. Im sure you can do the mission, but it woulkd be hard compared to other AFs.
I can confirm that but would correct that the Wolf is not only OK but the best assault frig against Sanshas and Blood raiders and the worst against Angels. Probably the same is true for the combination "Retribution/Angels" (best) and "Retribution/Laser gun rats" (worst). Because Sanshas/Blood raiders do two damage types (EM/thermal) and Angels too (mainly Explo/Kinetic) the Gallente and Caldari Assault frigs have the advantage to have at least one improved resistance (thermal resp. kinetic) against both faction groups (and against Guristas and Serpentis anyway). This could be a reason that they are better on average but not in all cases. (In theory, I can only fly Minmatar Assaults)
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loony zoon
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Posted - 2006.08.13 23:00:00 -
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Edited by: loony zoon on 13/08/2006 23:02:18 Edited by: loony zoon on 13/08/2006 23:01:53 Enyo is my favourite for npc fun, I'm more effective with ishkur, but using drones is like herding kittens. Too much micromanagement :)
enyo really is a nice ship
edit: i've done lvl4s in an enyo, and some are fairly easy, but take time. If you run up against heavy sentry towers you will be in trouble - some lvl4 are not possible solo in af because of the sentries.
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Kriva Fajriika
DOLT KREW
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Posted - 2006.08.14 00:08:00 -
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Gistii harpy if you got isk, retrib otherwise. Both can tank forever, so it's just a bit of shooting.
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