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Blizzaro
Hard Knocks Inc.
12
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Posted - 2014.09.30 07:46:00 -
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Kamii OhnoKazii wrote:Tarpedo wrote:For me it's amazing how TVP is still consider ISN an entity and "incursion community" despite ISN's newest ~0 ISK/month (!) income rate (more than a month passed since their last effective HQ farm). From the look of things ISN now isn't any more of incursion community than TEST for example - TEST also makes 0 ISK/month from incursions.
If incursions (and income from them) were actual points of ISN's existence then they'd reform and start to farm weeks ago but instead they prove on daily basis money isn't their goal, they look like dedicated griefing company rather than a business - and as long as they'll continue to provoke TVP I'll support TVP's sanctions (anyway I can make ISK in TVP fleets out of ISN's prime time hehe)
p.s. dear devs, how about 6-12 hours incursion respawn time instead of 12-36 hours? I wouldn't count them out. The inside joke about this drama is "TVP: The Vacation Project" - ISN is still very much alive, and people are just relaxing if they don't need the ISK, and the few that might need it or want to fly are flying with every other community and adding to their ISK per hour with shiney fits... say what you will about ISN if you are a hater, they run good fleets and the pilots know their ****... I have seen that ISN pilots get a immediate pick-up in fleets wanting to make ISK in an evening... before, as they say "the TVPricks pop the mom again". ISN is a band of people who run fleets and then there is a secondary that are in and out, but the primary... very, very much alive and relaxing it out.... sorry Juli, but fail again... hehe.
As a fellow primary member I agree 100% relaxing is for sure the term I would use, ISN fleets are easier than ever before to get into. |
De ZuuuberrMan
Koa Mai Hoku Cult of War
5
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:00:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote:Summer community was actually dead before ISN began doing HQ sites They were quite alive when ISN started contesting every site and popping moms.
summer died well before the original incursion nerf Isn wernt doing hqs (really), unless you mean specific members and not a community, Both however had the same mentality of winning at all costs.
It would be nice tho if we could just kill them all as they spawn instead of waiting until the same tz everyday for them to die, it'd give everyone a chance to say moms gonna mom
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Anya Klibor
Insanely Twisted D3vil's Childr3n
772
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Posted - 2014.09.30 16:12:00 -
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Tarpedo wrote:For me it's amazing how TVP is still consider ISN an entity and "incursion community" despite ISN's newest ~0 ISK/month (!) income rate (more than a month passed since their last effective HQ farm).
This just in: Vanguards and Assaults exist in Incursions, and can be done easier than HQ sites!
So, I guess it's [i/]not[/i] "~0 ISK/month income rate", as you say. There's other things that they can do, and they may have been doing just that.
Look, TVP clearly has some issues going on. While TVP is trying to play as the saviors of the Incursion community, fighting against the big bad dragon that is ISN, they have gone off the deep end at this point, and it's more out of narcissism than anything else. I mean, I'm not even sure they believe their own propaganda at this point.
Tell me, who supports TVP's actions publicly? What community as a whole has come out and said, "We support TVP's attempts to raise awareness of their collective autism!"? Every community leader I have talked to has publicly stated that they don't support this TVP-ISN drama, much as no one has supported the TVP-DIN drama before, or the ISN-DIN drama, or whatever-the-hell-drama the past few years.
Helix doesn't support it. WTM doesn't support it. DIN doesn't support it. I mean, I'm just listing off the three that come to mind, but even when I do I'm sure there are a lot more who haven't supported it, at all. And no, TVP: making claims of "this group supports us in private" doesn't count, because they don't have the balls to put themselves in front of a wardec for their convictions.
So what does that leave us with? It leaves us, quite simply, with a bunch of petulant children who have been given the smallest inkling of power, and they are looking to capitalize on it. But in all honesty, I'm alright with it, for a little bit. After all, Helix Incursions has been running some great sites the past few months, and while the community-at-large has been impacted, Helix has not been, and there have been a number of players who have joined us, swelling our numbers so we can run HQs ourselves! So, thanks TVP! You helped out our community in a manner I'm sure was unintended. We're recruiting! :D |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
101
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Posted - 2014.10.01 03:36:00 -
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Also, for the point of losses, ISN lost a couple ships, which is why noble was in the site scooping loot at all. He scooped said loot medium close to the deadline for recovery as well.
Now, if you are a known face in incursions, or have talk to one frequently, ask them to go ask about the mails from the incident that kicked it off in TVP. Just make sure you are willing to take a ban for it, as I know several pilots who were banned for asking for the mails. Then ask in ISN. ISN's losses, while not a matter of fairly public record like WTM with their publicly accessible SRP mailing list, have been documented on this incident, and I will vouch that timestamps match up with the time of the DCs. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
101
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Posted - 2014.10.01 03:43:00 -
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Anya Klibor wrote:Tarpedo wrote:For me it's amazing how TVP is still consider ISN an entity and "incursion community" despite ISN's newest ~0 ISK/month (!) income rate (more than a month passed since their last effective HQ farm). Helix doesn't support it. WTM doesn't support it. DIN doesn't support it. I mean, I'm just listing off the three that come to mind, but even when I do I'm sure there are a lot more who haven't supported it, at all.
Unfortunately, at least one person named charadrass has posted publicly that DIN does support it.
Helix is officially neutral, with FCs and pilots allowed to speak their conscience, per Aeon. And while I don't speak entirely for helix, I do know you do NOT.
This all said, I'm pretty bummed about it personally, as traveling cuts into my BSing and drinking time. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Seraphiel Angelica
Advanced Engineering and Research Division
2
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Posted - 2014.10.01 14:05:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Tarpedo wrote:For me it's amazing how TVP is still consider ISN an entity and "incursion community" despite ISN's newest ~0 ISK/month (!) income rate (more than a month passed since their last effective HQ farm). Helix doesn't support it. WTM doesn't support it. DIN doesn't support it. I mean, I'm just listing off the three that come to mind, but even when I do I'm sure there are a lot more who haven't supported it, at all. Unfortunately, at least one person named charadrass has posted publicly that DIN does support it.Helix is officially neutral, with FCs and pilots allowed to speak their conscience, per Aeon. And while I don't speak entirely for helix, I do know you do NOT. This all said, I'm pretty bummed about it personally, as traveling cuts into my BSing and drinking time.
Everyone knows that Charadrass is a bit weird and got this hard on for ISN ever since he was asked to leave/kicked out of the community. So everything against ISN, Carandrass approves, good thing too that he isn't speaking for the entire DIN community.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
103
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:30:00 -
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Seraphiel Angelica wrote:James Baboli wrote:Anya Klibor wrote:Tarpedo wrote:For me it's amazing how TVP is still consider ISN an entity and "incursion community" despite ISN's newest ~0 ISK/month (!) income rate (more than a month passed since their last effective HQ farm). Helix doesn't support it. WTM doesn't support it. DIN doesn't support it. I mean, I'm just listing off the three that come to mind, but even when I do I'm sure there are a lot more who haven't supported it, at all. Unfortunately, at least one person named charadrass has posted publicly that DIN does support it.Helix is officially neutral, with FCs and pilots allowed to speak their conscience, per Aeon. And while I don't speak entirely for helix, I do know you do NOT. This all said, I'm pretty bummed about it personally, as traveling cuts into my BSing and drinking time. Everyone knows that Charadrass is a bit weird and got this hard on for ISN ever since he was asked to leave/kicked out of the community. So everything against ISN, Carandrass approves, good thing too that he isn't speaking for the entire DIN community.
While he may or may not have the authority, it is still a well known DIN FC posting in such a manner as to try and put the full weight of the community behind it. Until or unless someone else from DIN either posts to forums or makes it plain, the best that can be said from DIN supporting it/not supporting it is that many of their pilots and such don't like it, but the only official post I have seen is Chara. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1217
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Posted - 2014.10.02 16:05:00 -
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I was definitely flying with Summer in their chan When ISN started contesting, then popping moms. *After* ISN started popping moms then TVP started following suit.
TBPFH you can dig up the old threads about it if you want.
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Menero Orti
Jedran Space Services Manifest Destiny...
38
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Posted - 2014.10.02 21:54:00 -
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Do you really think people will let TVP dictate there gameplay? |
Kaphrah
Kaphrah Corporation
26
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Posted - 2014.10.02 22:11:00 -
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Here we see the classical Incursion drama in its typical environment.
If you don't move and hide right here, we might see a small and fluffy ISN running over there! Oh look! Aiesenus Propagandus, a very common species here! And what a beautiful one!
The Aiesenus Propagandus is mostly found around the mating area of the bigger Noblus Rangi, a big and hairy species which immigrated from the southern (now India) parts of the world to the north during evolution, you could compare them with a Bison probably.
Also look carefully out for the rare Popplerus Popplero Popplus, a mostly night-active moth, which uses the excrements of Aiesenus Propagandus to lay its eggs.
Nature is a beautiful thing, but let us no longer disturb the Family of Incursiona retarda. Out of the thick forest, in the higher grass we can find the Revenantus Carrius Importus, always looking for new areas with fresh grass, it'll stay about 3-6 days in the same place before moving on. So having this one already here, the Valhallus Walrussus Tivipius can't be far looking for its natural prey.
It didn't even take long! But what is that? A hurt Noblus Rangi is feeding off the corpse another Valhallus left behind. Very interesting, I didn't think of them as scavengers! New science results... We should end our Safari here. |
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Charadrass
Angry Germans Again
132
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Posted - 2014.10.02 22:26:00 -
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Official DIN STATEMENT: We support the Incursion closing till ISN stops forming HQ. We even support TVP in numbers for mom fleets if we're in the same focus.
so yes. there is drama, but we dont care. noble ranger is currently paying pilots to join the HQfleet to get pilots together to force TVP to close it. ISN FCs currently prefer flying vanguards or assaults to make money, Noble Ranger is the only FC trying to get an HQ up to cut his own pilots off the income.
dear isn pilots, if you like making isk with incursions, stay in vanguards / assaults or join another fleet. everytime ISN HQ undocks, the incursion will die. |
Menero Orti
Jedran Space Services Manifest Destiny...
38
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Posted - 2014.10.02 23:23:00 -
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Charadrass wrote:Official DIN STATEMENT: We support the Incursion closing till ISN stops forming HQ. We even support TVP in numbers for mom fleets if we're in the same focus.
so yes. there is drama, but we dont care. noble ranger is currently paying pilots to join the HQfleet to get pilots together to force TVP to close it. ISN FCs currently prefer flying vanguards or assaults to make money, Noble Ranger is the only FC trying to get an HQ up to cut his own pilots off the income.
dear isn pilots, if you like making isk with incursions, stay in vanguards / assaults or join another fleet. everytime ISN HQ undocks, the incursion will die.
Please go back to you're cave. Nobody wants you here with you're ideas that Noble is "paying" ISN pilots to come do HQ sites. And frankly this can be dragged for a VERY VERY long time and this isn't even the beginning on what can actually happen ... so relax go outside and enjoy the outdoors cos we don't play Incursions Online |
Tarpedo
Incursionista
1384
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Posted - 2014.10.02 23:24:00 -
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Menero Orti wrote:Do you really think people will let TVP dictate there gameplay? Yes, sure. If you didn't notice TVP is people and they already "dictate" this gameplay to themselves (and others) for 5 weeks in a row. There is good proverb for situations like this: if you cannot win against them - join them (and make isk). |
Charadrass
Angry Germans Again
133
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Posted - 2014.10.02 23:30:00 -
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Menero Orti wrote:Charadrass wrote:Official DIN STATEMENT: We support the Incursion closing till ISN stops forming HQ. We even support TVP in numbers for mom fleets if we're in the same focus.
so yes. there is drama, but we dont care. noble ranger is currently paying pilots to join the HQfleet to get pilots together to force TVP to close it. ISN FCs currently prefer flying vanguards or assaults to make money, Noble Ranger is the only FC trying to get an HQ up to cut his own pilots off the income.
dear isn pilots, if you like making isk with incursions, stay in vanguards / assaults or join another fleet. everytime ISN HQ undocks, the incursion will die. Please go back to you're cave. Nobody wants you here with you're ideas that Noble is "paying" ISN pilots to come do HQ sites. And frankly this can be dragged for a VERY VERY long time and this isn't even the beginning on what can actually happen ... so relax go outside and enjoy the outdoors cos we don't play Incursions Online
ISN even used only ship hulls without fitting to undock and force tvp into killing the Kundalini :) |
Wraymond Arji
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
12
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Posted - 2014.10.02 23:50:00 -
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n2cthe1 wrote:TVP have finally produced a counter( http://thevalhallaproject.info/news.html ) to the ISN proposal. Neither crosses the divide between the two differing incursion philosophies and are probably doomed to fail. However, could this be what TVP are aiming for? Strange thing to say, you might think, but read on and judge for yourself. The none-to-subtle approach by the TVP team shows a classic approach to propaganda and manipulation. Will the other communities realise this or will they just see the chance to get back to making iskies? Will they care? There is nothing new in the recent TVP proposal, it is a rehash of the old differences that have been splitting incursion unity for over 2 years. What is interesting, though, is its insidious nature that seeks to enable TVP to GÇ¥controlGÇ¥ incursions by restricting freedom of other incursion communities. Who do you think will want to lead this expansion of control of incursions? There may be much denial of this but history shows this to be a classic approach. TVP have been pretty canny with this proposal. I believe they have set it up to fail. Clear in knowledge that it will probably be unacceptable to ISN, TVP are banking on the other incursion communities believing it is a reasonable proposal (dangling the isk-making carrot in front of them, again?). Why is this important? Well, TVP are desperate to maintain the claim to have the support of the entire incursion community (excluding ISN of course). This is line they constantly repeat in their channel. However, this does not seem to reflect reality. What is actually behind all of this? Well, more than one of the other incursion communities has indicated that TVP have strived, but ultimately failed, to match ISN. They theorise that this inferiority seems to be at the core of the problem. One suggested that TVP see ISN as their nemesis and this was the ultimate reason for their collective psychosis (his words, not mine). Have TVP engaged in a great piece of propaganda manipulation to finally make themselves look better than ISN? They must know their proposal will be unpalatable to ISN but they must be hoping that the other incursion communities will not see this. If they succeed they may be scratching that itch that is their nemesis. If they fail in this attempt, their psychosis could worsen.
To hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot. If ISN can come in and contest a site and win it then they deserve it and TVP needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners, and vice versa. FIght for it, screw talking it out. FIGHT FOR IT TO THE PAIN!!! |
Kaphrah
Kaphrah Corporation
26
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:00:00 -
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Menero Orti wrote:
Please go back to you're cave. Nobody wants you here with you're ideas that Noble is "paying" ISN pilots to come do HQ sites. And frankly this can be dragged for a VERY VERY long time and this isn't even the beginning on what can actually happen ... so relax go outside and enjoy the outdoors cos we don't play Incursions Online
BREAKING NEWS: CHARADRASS IS A CAVE! Cave Charadrass has been lost for decades, now a team of scientists and archeologists located it... in a local forest!
http://s14.directupload.net/images/141003/za6kpptm.png
We finally have a place and temple again to serve the long forgotten ancient god, unbelievable!
It seems like charadrass isn't just cave but he is also ideas! We haven't found out yet where to look for "idea" but search will go on! |
Bozl1n
Shiva Nulli Secunda
37
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:11:00 -
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Tarpedo wrote:For me it's amazing how TVP is still consider ISN an entity and "incursion community" despite ISN's newest ~0 ISK/month (!) income rate (more than a month passed since their last effective HQ farm). From the look of things ISN now isn't any more of incursion community than TEST for example - TEST also makes 0 ISK/month from incursions.
If incursions (and income from them) were actual points of ISN's existence then they'd reform and start to farm weeks ago but instead they prove on daily basis money isn't their goal, they look like dedicated griefing company rather than a business - and as long as they'll continue to provoke TVP I'll support TVP's sanctions (anyway I can make ISK in TVP fleets out of ISN's prime time hehe)
p.s. dear devs, how about 6-12 hours incursion respawn time instead of 12-36 hours?
Lmao
I dont think you understand ISN at all, primary is more like a corp and the core of ISN more like a family than any community/group/allience/corp ive ever been in during all my years eve.
You cannot break us
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Charadrass
Angry Germans Again
133
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Posted - 2014.10.03 13:07:00 -
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Quote:To hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot. If ISN can come in and contest a site and win it then they deserve it and TVP needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners, and vice versa. FIght for it, screw talking it out. FIGHT FOR IT TO THE PAIN!!!
to hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot, if tvp can come into a mom site and win it isn needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners.
Quote:Lmao
I dont think you understand ISN at all, primary is more like a corp and the core of ISN more like a family than any community/group/allience/corp ive ever been in during all my years eve.
You cannot break us
then i dont understand your tears really. if it dont bother you and isn, then isn shouldnt even publish postings full of tears.
just stay unbroken till the end of the universe, cause you make like no money in HQ :) |
Kaphrah
Kaphrah Corporation
26
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:56:00 -
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Charadrass wrote:Quote:To hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot. If ISN can come in and contest a site and win it then they deserve it and TVP needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners, and vice versa. FIght for it, screw talking it out. FIGHT FOR IT TO THE PAIN!!! to hell with propaganda, whoever performs better deserves the jackpot, if tvp can come into a mom site and win it isn needs to stop acting like spoiled kindergardeners. Quote:Lmao
I dont think you understand ISN at all, primary is more like a corp and the core of ISN more like a family than any community/group/allience/corp ive ever been in during all my years eve.
You cannot break us
then i dont understand your tears really. if it dont bother you and isn, then isn shouldnt even publish postings full of tears. just stay unbroken till the end of the universe, cause you make like no money in HQ :)
Shush. You're a cave. Cave does cave things. Cave does not talk. |
Charadrass
Angry Germans Again
133
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:31:00 -
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/me is a cave. silently grumbling... |
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:35:00 -
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Only tears I see being harvested are coming from TVP. You're being trolled and you don't even realize it. If ISN can undock only in ship hulls and you automatically form and pop the MOM, then they are owning you. They are forcing TVP into an action they would otherwise be unwilling to do in normal circumstances, and costing everyone their Incursion farming; not just ISN.
So the only kindergarteners I see here is TVP and their mentality of, "If you can't play my way, I will take the ball and go home." |
Charadrass
Angry Germans Again
133
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Posted - 2014.10.03 16:30:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Only tears I see being harvested are coming from TVP. You're being trolled and you don't even realize it. If ISN can undock only in ship hulls and you automatically form and pop the MOM, then they are owning you. They are forcing TVP into an action they would otherwise be unwilling to do in normal circumstances, and costing everyone their Incursion farming; not just ISN.
So the only kindergarteners I see here is TVP and their mentality of, "If you can't play my way, I will take the ball and go home."
tvp is simply returning the favor. so grow a pair of balls and stop whining. isn did the same a while ago, kodavor wrote in local after they closed the mom after beeing contested: no isk for isn, no isk for everyone.
isn started it, now they dont like it coming back to themselves.
if pilots wanna fly with isn, and they wanna actually make isk, they should limit their fleets to vanguard and assault. if they undock in hq strength the incursion will be closed. the isn pilots are in charge here, they can chose if they make iskies or not.
guess what, i see your future answer to this post, here is it:
blablalba tvp bad blablabla denying everyone blablabla wanna make iskies while contesting teh **** out of weaker fleets blablabla. [add a lot of tears here]
if you give a **** about the incursions beeing closed all the time, then just walk away. otherwise you prove everyone that you care bout it.
edit: cave has spoken ! |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1220
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Posted - 2014.10.04 05:47:00 -
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Quote: You cannot break us
Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL.
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James Baboli
Ferrous Infernum
112
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Posted - 2014.10.04 06:23:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:Quote: You cannot break us
Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL. Costing him about 0 isk, and you 150M. GJ. That crazy bag FC with the silly things on the hull that shouldn't but just did. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1220
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Posted - 2014.10.04 09:22:00 -
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James Baboli wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote: You cannot break us
Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL. Costing him about 0 isk, and you 150M. GJ.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
220
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Posted - 2014.10.04 14:04:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:James Baboli wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote: You cannot break us
Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL. Costing him about 0 isk, and you 150M. GJ. When ISK is worth more than balls gimme a holler.
When you find an incursion guy who *doesnt* hop corp for a wardec, gimme a holler |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1220
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Posted - 2014.10.04 19:17:00 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:James Baboli wrote:Cipher Jones wrote:Quote: You cannot break us
Made you hop corps 3 times with a one man corp. LOL. Costing him about 0 isk, and you 150M. GJ. When ISK is worth more than balls gimme a holler. When you find an incursion guy who *doesnt* hop corp for a wardec, gimme a holler
I never did.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2428
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Posted - 2014.10.06 10:17:00 -
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This thread has been moved to Crime & Punishment. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Saeger1737
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
861
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Posted - 2014.10.06 11:16:00 -
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Quick solutions stop whining and hire mercs.... You've got the money, otherwise unbunch your panties and get over it, its just a game. |
Miko Jin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
112
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Posted - 2014.10.06 11:36:00 -
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Saeger1737 wrote:Quick solutions stop whining and hire mercs.... You've got the money, otherwise unbunch your panties and get over it, its just a game.
You said "Panties" lol |
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