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Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:18:00 -
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Isboxer gives the user an advantage comparable to the advantage given by a bot. For example, a player could not normally play 20 EVE accounts at once. The player would have to either be botting, or using isboxer.
This no doubt gives the player a huge edge in this competitive game. To have the combined income of 20 players is a huge advantage.
What other ways is Isboxer unfair on normal players? Some players have isboxed pvp fleets, bombers, and gankers, but these are the least of the problems. The worst of it comes from the economic damage, and the taking of content that was designed for an average certain number of players. I'm talking of course about mining anomalies.
The problem has gotten so out of hand that you'll be lucky to find a mining anomaly system that doesn't have an isboxer fleet show up at every spawn. Or in the worst cases, there is 4 or 5 different isboxed fleets. Just take a look in Osmon or Wuos ice anomalies and see for yourself. There is sometimes can be up to a hundred mining ships present, but most of them are controlled by just a few isboxer players.
Isboxer users have the same detrimental effect on EVE as botters. Botting is not allowed for a few reasons.
Bots take content from normal players Bots probably pay for their accounts with PLEX Bots have an unfair advantage of being able to earn more isk than players who don't buy the software (with exceptions)
Isboxers take content from normal players Isboxers probably pay for their accounts with PLEX Isboxers have an unfair advantage of being able to earn more isk than players who don't buy the software (with exceptions)
It's clear to me, and many others, that isboxer is no different than botting. Sure if you want to get technical they are different, but the effects in EVE on the players are exactly the same and that should be what matters to CCP, not some technicality.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10170
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:23:00 -
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CCP does not view pilots as players, but as pilots.
It does not matter in the slightest if someone controls 20 accounts or not, because it's still 20 pilots. Ingame pilots.
Thank you for ignoring the search function, for not looking up all the pointless and locked threads about this topic that are there already, and ignoring that it is CCP who makes the rules and that your opinion is perfectly irrelevant.
CCP says it's not botting, thus it's not botting.
The fact that you do not understand why it's not botting ... ... and seem to believe somehow that what you say is original ... ... or somehow important enough, just because you have an issue with them ...
... hell, that's irrelevant too!
I predict a lock! :)
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:23:00 -
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Oh look it's this thread again.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
878
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:31:00 -
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Without getting into the legality discussion of ISBoxer again;
The introduction of PLEX caused one very destinct thing. Instead of bots roaming around in ore and ice belts, we now have ISBoxing fleets roaming them. In other words, it didn't solve a damn thing. It actually made things worse as far as 'botting' (whether legal or not) is concerned. An ISBoxing fleet that is paid with PLEX could in theory be expanded infinitely. Fleets of 10 to 30 mining ships anchored around a freighter or an Orca in an ice belt happens more often than not. These users 'hogging content' is a pretty good way of putting it, because that's exactly what they are doing. Legal or not, it's f*cking stupid.
You want to deal with these content hoggers, get some friends together and gank the **** out of their operations and keep doing it until they get the message. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Jur Tissant
Unreal Darkness
256
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:32:00 -
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Yes it's unfair, no it isn't going to change. |
Rain6637
Team Evil
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:43:00 -
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that is such an effort post. would you mind if my response is the same sentence copypaste 30x, cuz I just President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub | Rainfleet on Twitch | Twitter | Rainfleet mk.III | Imgur |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9909
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:46:00 -
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Should it be banned? Yes, along with anyone using it.
Would it change anything? No, there are several other ways to have the same effect.
Will anything change? Nope.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:48:00 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Isboxer gives the user an advantage comparable to the advantage given by a bot. For example, a player could not normally play 20 EVE accounts at once. The player would have to either be botting, or using isboxer.
This no doubt gives the player a huge edge in this competitive game. To have the combined income of 20 players is a huge advantage.
What other ways is Isboxer unfair on normal players? Some players have isboxed pvp fleets, bombers, and gankers, but these are the least of the problems. The worst of it comes from the economic damage, and the taking of content that was designed for an average certain number of players. I'm talking of course about mining anomalies.
The problem has gotten so out of hand that you'll be lucky to find a mining anomaly system that doesn't have an isboxer fleet show up at every spawn. Or in the worst cases, there is 4 or 5 different isboxed fleets. Just take a look in Osmon or Wuos ice anomalies and see for yourself. There is sometimes can be up to a hundred mining ships present, but most of them are controlled by just a few isboxer players.
Isboxer users have the same detrimental effect on EVE as botters. Botting is not allowed for a few reasons.
Bots take content from normal players Bots probably pay for their accounts with PLEX Bots have an unfair advantage of being able to earn more isk than players who don't buy the software (with exceptions)
Isboxers take content from normal players Isboxers probably pay for their accounts with PLEX Isboxers have an unfair advantage of being able to earn more isk than players who don't buy the software (with exceptions)
It's clear to me, and many others, that isboxer is no different than botting. Sure if you want to get technical they are different, but the effects in EVE on the players are exactly the same and that should be what matters to CCP, not some technicality.
Only reason botting was banned is because it is associated with RMT.
ISBoxer is more macro manager. It still requires user input. CCP see it this way... if someone is multiboxing 20 accounts that 20 paid accounts CCP would not have if isboxer wasnt allowed. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10170
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:48:00 -
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Actually ... this really isn't worth it. Custom Clothing Productions proudly donated prices to the New Eden Capsuleer Writing Contest! (InCharacter only!) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5046531#post5046531 |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:55:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:CCP does not view pilots as players, but as pilots.
It does not matter in the slightest if someone controls 20 accounts or not, because it's still 20 pilots. Ingame pilots.
Thank you for ignoring the search function, for not looking up all the pointless and locked threads about this topic that are there already, and ignoring that it is CCP who makes the rules and that your opinion is perfectly irrelevant.
CCP says it's not botting, thus it's not botting.
The fact that you do not understand why it's not botting ... ... and seem to believe somehow that what you say is original ... ... or somehow important enough, just because you have an issue with them ...
... hell, that's irrelevant too!
Also ... post with your freaking main.
And use the freaking search! Or google! We had this freaking topic over and over again and again! You are too late! It's done! All things have been talked about to death already! CCP makes the rules!
Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant!
I predict a lock! :)
*kinks* (:
You have ignored all of my points and just blindly reply with the same thing that all isboxer users say "It's not botting".
While technically it is not the same as botting, the effects are exactly the same. Furthermore I say that isboxer is even worse than botting. An isboxer with a freighter and orca parked in an anomaly takes more than his fair share. Infact I would guess they are often taking as much of the content up as all of the other players combined.
You don't see anomalies full of bots nor do you see constant complaints about them. And yet you do see anomalies full of isboxers and there is a steady yet constant stream of complaints.
so while technically isboxer is not botting - it is infact at least as bad as botting, and even much worse. |
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Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:56:00 -
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Confirming that anyone can run 20 accounts from their "Command Center" , (ie, their parent's basement ) if they so choose and that CCP will love them long time !
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Mattias Uta
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2014.09.27 22:57:00 -
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For anyone of the mind that this is detrimental, wouldn't it be more constructive to discuss ways in which to fight back against these people? Surely there will be disadvantages to a player trying to protect 20 accounts at one time, so exploit those. |
Nidal Fervor
State War Academy Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2014.09.27 23:00:00 -
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Mattias Uta wrote:For anyone of the mind that this is detrimental, wouldn't it be more constructive to discuss ways in which to fight back against these people? Surely there will be disadvantages to a player trying to protect 20 accounts at one time, so exploit those.
It's not really possible unless they do something stupid like fit badly. They will fit tanked freighters, tanked orcas, and skiffs. Taking full advantage of all the buffs that miners received. The only thing you can really do is bump them. I've practiced this, but at best all it does is annoy them. |
Nicor Syke'Nexen
27
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Posted - 2014.09.27 23:05:00 -
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if i were running a giant game company, i'd allow extra income, just like CCP does.
why are some people so anti-profit? what are you, communist? |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10170
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Posted - 2014.09.27 23:05:00 -
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Nidal Fervor wrote:Mattias Uta wrote:For anyone of the mind that this is detrimental, wouldn't it be more constructive to discuss ways in which to fight back against these people? Surely there will be disadvantages to a player trying to protect 20 accounts at one time, so exploit those. It's not really possible unless they do something stupid like fit badly. They will fit tanked freighters, tanked orcas, and skiffs. Taking full advantage of all the buffs that miners received. The only thing you can really do is bump them. I've practiced this, but at best all it does is annoy them. Okay, so you seem to be reasonable ... ... so I'll be reasonable.
It's perfectly possible. Tanked freighters, tanked orcas ... it's all possible.
The issue here is not that it's not possible ... ... but that there aren't enough people to really care about it ... ... to gank the **** out of them.
If these people exist ... ... the best way to deal with isboxers *is* to gank the **** out of them.
Asking Big Brother aka CCP for help is not actually helpfull ... ... and not a solution to your perceived problem.
It's perfectly possible. You only need the numbers. And if there are enough people who dislike isboxing fleets ... ... then these numbers should be gathered up easily.
I guess there's the real issue. People do not care enough beyond yelling around that they do not like something... which is, obviously, pointless. Custom Clothing Productions proudly donated prices to the New Eden Capsuleer Writing Contest! (InCharacter only!) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5046531#post5046531 |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2376
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Posted - 2014.09.27 23:22:00 -
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Thread locked.
The Rules: 17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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