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BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 01:45:00 -
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Hello,
I have played EVE Off and on for a few years and currently have a 27 mill pilot with most of my mining related skillz maxed.
I have been in High Sec for most of my EVE career until last year when I joined a low sec corp. Well, after over 100 million in losses due to being ganked war decced and not being able to mine due to wars, my question is this: why would a high sec miner join a low/null sec corp without the muscle or connections to protect its miners? It makes no sense you become fodder for the gankers. After being ganked and podded I asked my corp director about it they just shrugged and said it happens. Understandable, but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me? |
Rems Issus
Associated Descendants of Eve Vanguard.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 01:59:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote: but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me?
As a miner you shouldn't. If your corp's leadership isn't bothered enough to protect the miners earning the corporation profit, you shouldn't be bothered enough to stick around. |
BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:04:00 -
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Rems Issus wrote:BlkQueen wrote: but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me? As a miner you shouldn't. If your corp's leadership isn't bothered enough to protect the miners earning the corporation profit, you shouldn't be bothered enough to stick around.
OK thank you. The whole thing was a bit perplexing, I felt like I was missing something because the answer was so obvious. All these corps want me to come out to Null/Low sec and arent able to shield their miners in any way. It made no sense. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
765
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:07:00 -
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If you mine and not much more, don't join player corps. EVE PvP is a game of kill or be killed. Even the 100K tank of a Skiff is going to fall eventually if it's tackled and forced to fight to the death.
Your question was answered ten years ago. Don't do it. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:14:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote: All these corps want me to come out to Null/Low sec and arent able to shield their miners in any way. It made no sense.
That sentence is in correct. The corporation you have chosen to join may not be able to protect you in any way, but there are quite a few low sec 0.0 corporations that can.
Please do not smear a whole segment of the game through your own poor choices.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:14:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote: All these corps want me to come out to Null/Low sec and arent able to shield their miners in any way. It made no sense.
That sentence is incorrect. The corporation you have chosen to join may not be able to protect you in any way, but there are quite a few low sec 0.0 corporations that can.
Please do not smear a whole segment of the game through your own poor choices.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:15:00 -
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That was important enough for me to say twice. |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:23:00 -
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Last time I was in a player corp it was a lowsec industrial corp, and they did a fine job of protecting us. It was just a case of making friends with everyone who might have wanted to shoot us. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:24:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:BlkQueen wrote: All these corps want me to come out to Null/Low sec and arent able to shield their miners in any way. It made no sense. That sentence is in correct. The corporation you have chosen to join may not be able to protect you in any way, but there are quite a few low sec 0.0 corporations that can. Please do not smear a whole segment of the game through your own poor choices.
I didnt say ALL corps....so stop misquoting me. I stated "all" that the corps that wanted ME to come to Null/low didnt have any protection. Not every corp in EVE asked me to come out, thus it cant be ALL. I know some do, I was simply curious as to the ones that DO NOT protect their miners, why would they ask a miner to come out knowing that they will hv alot to use. So suck it. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16927
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:27:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote:I have been in High Sec for most of my EVE career ...
Im starting to see the problem here.
Go on.. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:30:00 -
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My original question has been answered. Thanks to all that actually answered it. I thought I was taking crazy pills for a sec there. Fly safe.
Carebear 4ever |
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:36:00 -
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Did you ever actually move to Low/Null?
WarDecs are only important in HS. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon |
Khalm Hasal
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Posted - 2014.09.28 02:43:00 -
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Echoing others that said you needed to be in a different corp. Don't let one experience make you swear off trying out null or low. If you enjoy carebearing it, more power to you - but your one experience with the rest of it is not indicative of all the possibilities. There are many very happy miners outside of HS. |
Gorinia Sanford
Big n Large Psychotic Alliance
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Posted - 2014.09.28 06:34:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote:Hello,
I have played EVE Off and on for a few years and currently have a 27 mill pilot with most of my mining related skillz maxed.
I have been in High Sec for most of my EVE career until last year when I joined a low sec corp. Well, after over 100 million in losses due to being ganked war decced and not being able to mine due to wars, my question is this: why would a high sec miner join a low/null sec corp without the muscle or connections to protect its miners? It makes no sense you become fodder for the gankers. After being ganked and podded I asked my corp director about it they just shrugged and said it happens. Understandable, but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me?
Ditto on what the gentleman beneath your original post said. For example, our alliance recently moved to null sec and set up home in a rental system. Sure, it was a rough go at first (we lost too many barges, mainly due to pilot inattentiveness), but we're getting to the point where we've got security during busy hours and we watch local like a hawk.
As a miner myself, when you're in low/null, a few things. Stay aligned to your POS or station as applicable and watch local like a hawk. Soon as you see a neut pop in, warp to your pos or station. And use either a Procurer or Skiff, far more survivable. I love the Hulk and the Mack for different reasons, but without REALLY good security, I don't bring either out.
And if you're interested in jumping to a new corp, allow me to direct you here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=338476&find=unread
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:32:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote:Understandable, but why should I stay with a corp that gets my taxes but can't protect me? what, do you voluntarily hand your mined ore over for taxes, then
protecting miners consists of responding when the miner calls out on comms. having a standing escort is entirely impractical and invites others to form a fleet against you. if you're in lowsec, you're responsible for watching dscan and local for yourself. if you see something, or you're being hunted, you tell the corp and then they can help
unfortunately ccp got rid of hidden belts in lowsec because ??? newbies ??? accessibility ??? so the most reasonable layer of protection was removed |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
164
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:38:00 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:That sentence is incorrect. The corporation you have chosen to join may not be able to protect you in any way, but there are quite a few low sec 0.0 corporations that can. I haven't come across any.... and I've killed a LOT of miners in low/0.0. There is just nothing you can do to protect an afk miner from a quick raiding party that pops out of a wormhole - they are gone before you can form a fleet.
The best protection you have is yourself. Watch intel, watch local, don't be afk. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 08:49:00 -
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Hi there
You can start by asking the question: "How can I help to make Highsec a better place for everyone?"
Obviously the answer to that question is: By following the New Halaima Code of Conduct, accepting our Supreme Protector, father of the New Order, James 315 as the Saviour of Highsec and purchasing a mining permit for only 10mil ISK per year.
If you really want to make a difference you better save all that tax money you give to your useless corporation and support the New Order by purchasing some shares. This money will be used to equip our Knights with the weapons they need to fight the criminals in the ore and ice belts.
Together we can make a difference and work towards a better more stable Highsec we can all be proud of.
For more information visit our blog at: www.minerbumping.com the Code ALWAYS wins |
Scout Vyvorant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.28 09:45:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote:My original question has been answered. Thanks to all that actually answered it. I thought I was taking crazy pills for a sec there. Fly safe.
Carebear 4ever
Mind something, if you are a null miner in a proper corp / alliance that actually protect their miners, you are safer in null than in high sec.
I've seen a CODE. post here talking about their code and such, however buying their permit wont make you any safer, and do you know why? Not because CODE. wont honor the mining permit, but because they are not the only ones ganking miners in high sec.
Check a random killboard, zkillboard is fine at example, and then check the exhumers kills; you wont see that much CODE. as you would expect.
On top of this High Sec has war decs that keep you out of the mining for a while (unless you are in a npc corp), you do need to own a PoS to compress or refine (and this require you to be in a corp, so under war dec possibility), you can get ganked while hauling, you can have can flippers.... the list goes on. In null or WH you can spend litteraly days without see anyone beside your corp / alliance mates.
High Sec is not a safe zone, it's just another pvp space that follows different rules of engagement, and it's virtually as dangerous as any other space. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 13:03:00 -
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Scout Vyvorant wrote:Check a random killboard, zkillboard is fine at example, and then check the exhumers kills; you wont see that much CODE. as you would expect. https://zkillboard.com/group/543/highsec/ Every last character in the Top list of destroyed Exhumers is a New Order Agent, it's almost a member list of my corp. How much more would you expect? Also CODE. is not the whole New Order. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Jace Sarice
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Posted - 2014.09.28 13:13:00 -
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@OP Echoing the others that said to ignore New Order and go to null as a miner. If I ever reactivated my mining character there is no way in hell I would mine in hisec. With the amount of skills you have, it shouldn't be too difficult to find a good null corporation that would accept you. |
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Rems Issus
Associated Descendants of Eve Vanguard.
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Posted - 2014.09.28 14:29:00 -
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Also dittoing the people who said you can ignore CODE posters. CODE talks a big game, and clearly loves doing their little RP schtick, but they're just not that important in the day to day life of mining players. I know of singular lowsec corporations that do more to impact mining possibilities than the whole of CODE and the 'new order' drones do. |
BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 14:59:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Hi there You can start by asking the question: "How can I help to make Highsec a better place for everyone?" Obviously the answer to that question is: By following the New Halaima Code of Conduct, accepting our Supreme Protector, father of the New Order, James 315 as the Saviour of Highsec and purchasing a mining permit for only 10mil ISK per year. If you really want to make a difference you better save all that tax money you give to your useless corporation and support the New Order by purchasing some shares. This money will be used to equip our Knights with the weapons they need to fight the criminals in the ore and ice belts. Together we can make a difference and work towards a better more stable Highsec we can all be proud of. For more information visit our blog at: www.minerbumping.com
OK Now Im confused. By buying a 10 million "permit" I wont get ganked in High sec? Is that what this basically is? Paying protection money? Wow... EVE is indeed the devil! LOL, please feel free to correct me if my interpretation of this post is wrong, I do very much want to learn the rules. I am willing to play along. |
Scout Vyvorant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:05:00 -
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CODE. is not a high sec pvp alliance or group, is just an organized ganking squad which target mainly mining ships and sometimes freighters / orcas, and by doing this it keeps an overwhelmingly positive K/L ratio, both in number of ship destroyed and in isk destroyed vs lost against the concord retaliation.
If you want to see a high sec pvp alliance you might want to check RvB - Red Federation and Blue Republic, or even the merc corp the Marmite Collective, as my definition of High Sec pvp strictly consider the fact of being at war with what you kill. A suicide can happen, but shouldn't be your winning tactic. Freight club is at war against their high sec target, CODE. is not or at least it's very rare.
In low sec the concept of "gank" doesn't exist, if you jumped in 0.4 or lower, you know what you are going to get. |
BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:10:00 -
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OK I figured that but protection is protection. 10 mill isnt alot to ask....what am I missing? |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:14:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote:OK I figured that but protection is protection. 10 mill isnt alot to ask....what am I missing? It's not protection.
You are not being protected from getting ganked by anyone else for paying the fee, there are people who deliberately only gank those who bought a "mining permit".
It just makes certain people look away while you keep mining afk anyway.
Also: Great portrait. The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:25:00 -
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Priscilla Project wrote:BlkQueen wrote:OK I figured that but protection is protection. 10 mill isnt alot to ask....what am I missing? It's not protection. You are not being protected from getting ganked by anyone else for paying the fee, there are people who deliberately only gank those who bought a "mining permit". It just makes certain people look away while you keep mining afk anyway. Also: Great portrait.
How would they know I bought a mining permit?
BTW, I never mine AFK, I put a movie on, sit on my comfy leather desk chair at my desk and check local and my mining lasers periodically.
Oh and thanks. |
Scout Vyvorant
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:25:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Hi there You can start by asking the question: "How can I help to make Highsec a better place for everyone?" Obviously the answer to that question is: By following the New Halaima Code of Conduct, accepting our Supreme Protector, father of the New Order, James 315 as the Saviour of Highsec and purchasing a mining permit for only 10mil ISK per year. If you really want to make a difference you better save all that tax money you give to your useless corporation and support the New Order by purchasing some shares. This money will be used to equip our Knights with the weapons they need to fight the criminals in the ore and ice belts. Together we can make a difference and work towards a better more stable Highsec we can all be proud of. For more information visit our blog at: www.minerbumping.com OK Now Im confused. By buying a 10 million "permit" I wont get ganked in High sec? Is that what this basically is? Paying protection money? Wow... EVE is indeed the devil! LOL, please feel free to correct me if my interpretation of this post is wrong, I do very much want to learn the rules. I am willing to play along.
I'll explain you something about High Sec, CODE. and about why I'm a professional forum alt.
Paying CODE. because you are a miner is the simplest way to get targeted during your operations, as you just flagged yourself as a harmless target, who pilot a harmless ship that can be killed in a whim by two catalysts, and that has not hardened the F up (HTFU from now on) enough to fight back or move to low sec. In short, the perfect ganking target in their eyes.
As our CODE. friend said, his alliance is not the whole network of high sec, as the members of this Role Play group that goes by the name of New Order of High Sec can be anywhere, in any corp and in any alliance. Also, as hinted, it's a network, and nothing forbid them to tell someone else to go and hunt you down, or simply log their alts in some NPC corp to gank you. They say they wont do that, but after all the isk doublers in Jita also promised you to double yours isk. Scamming is an ingame activity, as corp theft an awoxing is.
This game has locator agents, and once you flagged yourself it's a matter of a few isk to find where you are mining. And this is why I'm a professional forum alt, I can say what I want, against who I want, always trying to be respectfull and possibly constructive, while keeping the lowest in game profile to continue my high sec activities with the least intereferences.
As wanna be high sec industrialist, (my) wars are bad for (my) business, but (their) wars are good for (my) business |
Priscilla Project
Custom Clothing Productions
184
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:28:00 -
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BlkQueen wrote:Priscilla Project wrote:BlkQueen wrote:OK I figured that but protection is protection. 10 mill isnt alot to ask....what am I missing? It's not protection. You are not being protected from getting ganked by anyone else for paying the fee, there are people who deliberately only gank those who bought a "mining permit". It just makes certain people look away while you keep mining afk anyway. Also: Great portrait. How would they know I bought a mining permit? BTW, I never mine AFK, I put a movie on, sit on my comfy leather desk chair at my desk and check local and my mining lasers periodically. Oh and thanks. You're forced to put it into your bio, including propaganda. Well ... if you don't give a chance to get ganked, then you don't need the permit anyway.
Here's an advise: Play zoomed out. Looking at your ship is pointless. When you are zoomed out, you can see your surroundings and raise your situational awareness.
It's enough to see where your trails are, which means you know the direction your ship is heading.
Personally, I suggest orbitting a rock with several bookmarks 250km away from the current belt. That way you can always warp out pretty fast, if you manage to pick the bookmark that is closest to your ships current alignment. And THAT is easily done, when you figure out a proper naming scheme. The most sexy piece of clothing New Eden saw to date! The 'Open Avenue' short dress! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461 Join my mailing list, "wemew", for fast and easy future updates! (without the ") |
BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:32:00 -
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Got it Scout. BTW dont think this is my ingame character. I know a lot more about EVE and these forums then I let on, but I digress.
You say your a highsec industrialist, that is my agenda as well. I have been doing it on my own for years. No wars just mine and manufacture. If your corp ever recruits please contact me by mail here on forums. |
BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.09.28 15:36:00 -
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Priscilla Project wrote: You're forced to put it into your bio, including propaganda. Well ... if you don't give a chance to get ganked, then you don't need the permit anyway.
Here's an advise: Play zoomed out. Looking at your ship is pointless. When you are zoomed out, you can see your surroundings and raise your situational awareness.
It's enough to see where your trails are, which means you know the direction your ship is heading.
Personally, I suggest orbitting a rock with several bookmarks 250km away from the current belt. That way you can always warp out pretty fast, if you manage to pick the bookmark that is closest to your ships current alignment. And THAT is easily done, when you figure out a proper naming scheme.
Odd they would make you put it in the Bio. Thats like saying : "Please come spank me, I just bought protection and Im harmless!"
Thanks for the advice. Ill set up the bookmark thing now that I know highsec ganking is a collaborated business.. |
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