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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2030
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Posted - 2014.10.01 12:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Regatto wrote:
All of these great Sov leaders were able to sign this open letter to CCP. I wonder why, they didn't just help themselfs and fix the game they broke. Why they didn't sign simple deal that would bring pvp and diversity back to eve
Because they didn't break the game, they simply did what the mechanics dictated. Nobody is going to shoot themselves in both feet. When did "Non-aggression Pacts" enter the game?
I believe I missed that Dev blog/patch notes... EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 12:27:00 -
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So goon, what happened to the moon goo spin you were trying to feed us?
You couldn't spin it you're way so you had ISD remove all the posts?
You were trying to feed me that moon goo nerf was due to goon and that it was so righteous of you, until i pointed out N3 was going through systems, were taking your moons, move or we will move you by force.
Where is all of that. Well here is you're moon goo job.
https://gfycat.com/GoodnaturedPastelGander
See if ISD will remove it again.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9954
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Posted - 2014.10.01 12:30:00 -
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JIeoH Mocc wrote:baltec1 wrote: Take the unbeatable fleets away from everyone and put in mechanics that makes taking and holding half of EVE impossible and you fix the problem.
How's that related to the "letter" at hand, signed by all the stars of our blue doughnut and then some?
Because the situation that allows such massive fleets to reign supreme will remain, unless they nerf logi to stop the zero sum fleet fight equation.
Right now, if a smaller fleet goes up against a larger one and cannot break their reps (which is rather likely), the smaller fleet simply should not engage at all.
If they nerf logi so that people actually have a chance to do lasting damage, then smaller forces gain a relevancy that is greater than zero. And not just in sov, but at every level of combat. "Go down fighting" would actually mean something besides just whelping to no effect.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 12:39:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:JIeoH Mocc wrote:baltec1 wrote: Take the unbeatable fleets away from everyone and put in mechanics that makes taking and holding half of EVE impossible and you fix the problem.
How's that related to the "letter" at hand, signed by all the stars of our blue doughnut and then some? Because the situation that allows such massive fleets to reign supreme will remain, unless they nerf logi to stop the zero sum fleet fight equation. Right now, if a smaller fleet goes up against a larger one and cannot break their reps (which is rather likely), the smaller fleet simply should not engage at all. If they nerf logi so that people actually have a chance to do lasting damage, then smaller forces gain a relevancy that is greater than zero. And not just in sov, but at every level of combat. "Go down fighting" would actually mean something besides just whelping to no effect.
And that is precisely the reason the letter is self serving. Exactly what you'd expect. |
Gevlon Goblin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
305
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Posted - 2014.10.01 12:53:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe... No, we think you want to be safe because you are literally asking CCP to nerf your empires and your capabilities to wage war.
Treaties weren't enough because mistakes were made and suddenly B-R. You want to nerf yourself physically unable to harm each other, so your status will forever be stabilized. You want to be away from each other and want to feed your pilots with the kills of terribads so they never provoke the other empire. My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 12:57:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:baltec1 wrote:We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe... No, we think you want to be safe because you are literally asking CCP to nerf your empires and your capabilities to wage war. Treaties weren't enough because mistakes were made and suddenly B-R. You want to nerf yourself physically unable to harm each other, so your status will forever be stabilized. You want to be away from each other and want to feed your pilots with the kills of terribads so they never provoke the other empire.
I'm more for this:
http://evenews24.com/2014/10/01/leaks-corebloodbrothers-sends-out-a-internal-statement-about-the-null-deal/
They broke it, they can fix it.
Seems subs are taking a dive, for good reason. Do you want to be sheep? |
cpt Niki
Pharmaceutical Development
8
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:06:00 -
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Shutdown the API servers!
Yes I'm back again, make the corporation/alliance/coalition management a nightmare.
and to anyone say that API is not a problem I dare them to start not using it.
make people interact with people and then maybe we will have some "falcon" events. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries Chelonaphobia
525
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:KatanTharkay wrote: So no matter what, you want to be safe. Sadly, safety made this game boring. Well, I guess the only hope is that CCP will step in and make things unsafe for everybody, cause your proposal doesn't do that.
We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe...
Yes |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13446
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:10:00 -
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JIeoH Mocc wrote:baltec1 wrote: Take the unbeatable fleets away from everyone and put in mechanics that makes taking and holding half of EVE impossible and you fix the problem.
How's that related to the "letter" at hand, signed by all the stars of our blue doughnut and then some?
The fact that they are calling for mechanics that make it impossible to take and hold half of null sec and make it easier for smaller entities to enter null to harass us. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:10:00 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:baltec1 wrote:KatanTharkay wrote: So no matter what, you want to be safe. Sadly, safety made this game boring. Well, I guess the only hope is that CCP will step in and make things unsafe for everybody, cause your proposal doesn't do that.
We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe... Yes
That is exactly what it is. |
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:12:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:JIeoH Mocc wrote:baltec1 wrote: Take the unbeatable fleets away from everyone and put in mechanics that makes taking and holding half of EVE impossible and you fix the problem.
How's that related to the "letter" at hand, signed by all the stars of our blue doughnut and then some? The fact that they are calling for mechanics that make it impossible to take and hold half of null sec and make it easier for smaller entities to enter null to harass us.
At least that's what the propaganda you're spinning is. Just read through all your posts. You're pushing this crap pretty hard.
The CFC propaganda machine.
You broke it, YOU fix it. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13446
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:12:00 -
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Gevlon Goblin wrote:baltec1 wrote:We are literally asking CCP to nerf our empires and our capabilities to wage war and you think we want to be safe... No, we think you want to be safe because you are literally asking CCP to nerf your empires and your capabilities to wage war. Treaties weren't enough because mistakes were made and suddenly B-R. You want to nerf yourself physically unable to harm each other, so your status will forever be stabilized. You want to be away from each other and want to feed your pilots with the kills of terribads so they never provoke the other empire.
You actually believe the rubbish you spout don't you? Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13446
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:13:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:
You broke it, YOU fix it.
Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:
You broke it, YOU fix it.
Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet.
I don't fight cowards. Yes, cowards. That is why you blue everyone. Oh, PLEASE, don't attack me and I won't attack you.
That is what this is all about.
Blue Doughnut. You are nice and safe because you won't attack each other.
You even cry nerf on intercepters because a few come and attack you. Oh, yea, I've seen the tears on that also.
Cry some more. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13449
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:21:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:
You broke it, YOU fix it.
Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet. I don't fight cowards. Yes, cowards. That is why you blue everyone. Oh, PLEASE, don't attack me and I won't attack you. That is what this is all about. Blue Doughnut. You are nice and safe because you won't attack each other. You even cry nerf on intercepters because a few come and attack you. Oh, yea, I've seen the tears on that also. Cry some more.
You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?
You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Regatto
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:24:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:JIeoH Mocc wrote:
If I would, I'd be having another corp/alliance ticker right now, don't you think? What does the mechanics have to do with you wanting an easy life-style? At least don't be a hypocrite. Any set of enforceable rules will succumb to that desire of yours to bunch up and "winwinwin", be it by dropping the node with a "thousand of megathrons(c)", having b0tl0rds of this kind or another, blobbing with titans and what not.
That's not something CCP CAN possibly fix. They can stir the pot a bit, but once everything settles into a steady state - that attitude of "If you had access to ..." will prevail. Always.
I hope they recognize it, and I hope that it settles in your head as well.
Given that I am also calling for our fleets to stop being unkillable I would say I understand. We are trying to get CCP to make changes that we cannot abuse.
There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:
You broke it, YOU fix it.
Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet. I don't fight cowards. Yes, cowards. That is why you blue everyone. Oh, PLEASE, don't attack me and I won't attack you. That is what this is all about. Blue Doughnut. You are nice and safe because you won't attack each other. You even cry nerf on intercepters because a few come and attack you. Oh, yea, I've seen the tears on that also. Cry some more. You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right? You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.
Yet, there are no battles being waged. This is another lie anyway. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4296
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:26:00 -
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Regatto wrote:Honestly I know this won't happen, cause its obvious that ppl like Vince are egomaniacs that just want to hoard power and isk(lets wonder why). So basically, even though they have power, they won't do anything about it. They will rather have their members run around eve and dunk on some hopeless groups like provi to keep their pilots "entertained" and quiet. No, it's because they are players of the game, not employees of CCP there to keep the game in check when the mechanics fail to do so. It's not their responsibility to step in and play differently when the developers of the game fail to design their game properly.
JIeoH Mocc wrote:Because having them indestructible NPC stations in every sov. region is "literally asking CCP for a nerf". Right. While it probably will cause some small PvP groups to jump in and farm you/your renters, it actually amplifies the ability of the powerblocks to wage war, specially if you consider the possibly incoming power projection changes. First off, we can already wage a war from practically anywhere, we own half the space. How will having NPC stations suddenly make us more able to wage war?
Secondly, if it did make us more able to wage war, isn't that exactly what you want? You are whining that we aren't fighting then telling us that our suggested changes will makes us fight people thus are bad. The reason this doesn't make sense is because you haven't thought it through, you are just raging because "grr goons".
The ideas suggested here aren't perfect, and they need a lot of fleshing out and work, but they give a general idea of where the null community would like to see the game going, and would give opportunities for smaller groups to make their own stand in null outside of renting. Standing there screaming "I hate goons and goons should just play different to make the rest of us happy" isn't really helping anything.
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Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium
302
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote: You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?
You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.
On that note lets summarize the arguments against:
1) Its all a giant plot by N3/PL and the CFC to get more null sec staging points so they can ROFLCoptor stomp any and all upstarts in the new sov system.
2) Its all a giant plot to condense PvE activities so null ratter become invincible slowcat/boot hordes with 50 man carrier fleets rallying to kill anyone who interrupts the ratting.
3) There won't be any fighting because the distance between entities will be too large and the small entities won't do anything to the larger ones and nobody else will be fighting anyone.
4) This won't fix anything because the CFC and N3/PL still exist
5) Why change the mechanics? People should change the way they play the game.
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:28:00 -
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Regatto wrote:baltec1 wrote:JIeoH Mocc wrote:
If I would, I'd be having another corp/alliance ticker right now, don't you think? What does the mechanics have to do with you wanting an easy life-style? At least don't be a hypocrite. Any set of enforceable rules will succumb to that desire of yours to bunch up and "winwinwin", be it by dropping the node with a "thousand of megathrons(c)", having b0tl0rds of this kind or another, blobbing with titans and what not.
That's not something CCP CAN possibly fix. They can stir the pot a bit, but once everything settles into a steady state - that attitude of "If you had access to ..." will prevail. Always.
I hope they recognize it, and I hope that it settles in your head as well.
Given that I am also calling for our fleets to stop being unkillable I would say I understand. We are trying to get CCP to make changes that we cannot abuse. There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D
It's the goon propaganda machine. It keeps going and going and going.
Doesn't matter that is lies. He just keeps pushing it.
They broke it. They need to fix it. CCP can't fix out of game treaties they hide behind like the weasels they are. |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13452
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:29:00 -
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Regatto wrote:
There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D
There are 50 comments by people making the same mistakes and assumptions over and over along with a smattering of grr goon. The only reason most of you are against it is simply because we are supporting it. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Regatto wrote:
There are like 50comments in this topic saying how you can abuse it...cant you just stop saying this now? :D
There are 50 comments by people making the same mistakes and assumptions over and over along with a smattering of grr goon. The only reason most of you are against it is simply because we are supporting it.
The propaganda machine lives on. |
Regatto
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:
You broke it, YOU fix it.
Feel free to post a subcap counter to our boot fleet. I don't fight cowards. Yes, cowards. That is why you blue everyone. Oh, PLEASE, don't attack me and I won't attack you. That is what this is all about. Blue Doughnut. You are nice and safe because you won't attack each other. You even cry nerf on intercepters because a few come and attack you. Oh, yea, I've seen the tears on that also. Cry some more. You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right? You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.
No...? Only like 12 regions? :D while in another half you can't even use caps because of that deal with PL to keep your supers/caps safe? Just to be sure... |
Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium
302
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:33:00 -
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Regatto wrote: No...? Only like 12 regions? :D while in another half you can't even use caps because of that deal with PL to keep your supers/caps safe? Just to be sure...
That has absolutely no bearing on how ridiculous most of the arguments against the proposed changes to the sov system are. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
217
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:34:00 -
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Regatto wrote:baltec1 wrote: You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?
You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.
No...? Only like 12 regions? :D while in another half you can't even use caps because of that deal with PL to keep your supers/caps safe? Just to be sure...
Goon and pets broke it, they need to fix it. Goons are scared, hence the propaganda machine. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
758
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:35:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote: You broke it, YOU fix it.
how exactly would you expect them to fix it? Reset friendly alliances? Cancel BOTLRD?
There are still gazillions of structure HP noone wants to grind through at 0.1% tidi.
C'mon, get real. |
Regatto
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:42:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Regatto wrote:Honestly I know this won't happen, cause its obvious that ppl like Vince are egomaniacs that just want to hoard power and isk(lets wonder why). So basically, even though they have power, they won't do anything about it. They will rather have their members run around eve and dunk on some hopeless groups like provi to keep their pilots "entertained" and quiet. No, it's because they are players of the game, not employees of CCP there to keep the game in check when the mechanics fail to do so. It's not their responsibility to step in and play differently when the developers of the game fail to design their game properly.
Exactly! I didn't say they would need to fix their games, just their heads. As leaders of the biggest groups, they should try to make game fun for their pilots, shouldn't they?? I mean why are you even following somebody who doesn't give a crap about you and just focuses on himself? Instead of trying to tell devs how to fix the game way they like, they could think how their subjects can have more fun in this game. |
Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
139
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:44:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Regatto wrote:baltec1 wrote: You do realise that we are not blue with half of nullsec right?
You know, this thread might not get any CCP response in it but at least they can see the poor arguments people are trying to use to keep the status quo.
No...? Only like 12 regions? :D while in another half you can't even use caps because of that deal with PL to keep your supers/caps safe? Just to be sure... Goon and pets broke it, they need to fix it. Goons are scared, hence the propaganda machine.
CCP broke it. Goons just took advantage of the game mechanics as they currently function. |
Regatto
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
8
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:45:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote: You broke it, YOU fix it.
how exactly would you expect them to fix it? Reset friendly alliances? Cancel BOTLRD? There are still gazillions of structure HP noone wants to grind through at 0.1% tidi. C'mon, get real.
Thats the part pilots could change yes, ccp needs to change the rest. There won't be tidi if there are couple of alliances nuking it out. You also wont need to grind through 5regions of sov if you don't need to rent it out. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
9955
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:45:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote: Goon and pets broke it, they need to fix it. Goons are scared, hence the propaganda machine.
They did not break anything. It was already broken because CCP did not do a good job.
Using mechanics as they exist is not "breaking" anything. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
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