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Volmyr
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.09.29 07:33:00 -
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seems legit, +1 |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2796
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Posted - 2014.09.29 07:38:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:I like how it is hyped as some kind of meaningful thing with actual impact on anything.
+1. This playerbase has changed many things before. The latest being bumping stuff out of a POS shield using titans
As I said: hyped as some kind of meaningful thing.
And now let me get back to my fleet of hulks drilling rocks I rented... Invalid signature format |
Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2014.09.29 07:59:00 -
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What is the measure of "occupancy base"?
I've read about this before. System index (and sov) strengthen with occupancy, rats killed, ore mined etc. Doesn't anyone see a bit of a problem with this? If you want to drop someone else's index, all you have to do is camp it (cloaked). People don't tend to rat or mine with reds in system do they.
Whilst we're at it let's go back to basics: What is the point of "sov" anyway? |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
730
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Posted - 2014.09.29 08:19:00 -
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Angelique Duchemin wrote:Filthy renters... Be purged in fire!
Jealous of their success? Attitudes like yours are also a contributing factor why Sov 00 is what it is now. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Mordus Angels
2129
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Posted - 2014.09.29 08:21:00 -
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Quote: Increased Player Density
We believe that vast swathes of conquerable nullsec are essentially worthless to our line members and can only support the activity of a handful of players in each system. We would like to see the value of individual systems increased to support a dense ecosystem of players undocked and interacting within single system.
So.....let me get this straight: Instead of having thirty thousand renters spread over a dozen regions, the blocs can now fit all of them into a couple of systems (or constellations)? Geee, that isn't broken at all.
Currently, lowsec/npc entities can and have harassed renter alliances to the point where they lose thousands of members. Put them all in a single constellation, and it becomes trivial for the blocs to defend them against harassment. I have a great idea guys: Let's buff renter empires! |
Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.09.29 08:34:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Miner Hottie wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I don't have a problem with the suggestions, but they are not really needed to solve the issue of nullsec stagnation.
What is needed for that is less bloviating and more courage. There are multiple coalitions with significant capital fleets - and yet instead of engaging each other to create some actual content they prefer to sit in dry dock and complain about the blue donut. To the Goons, et al., instead of complaining and demanding unneeded CCP changes, why not just go deploy your fleets and see what you can accomplish in the current setup instead? I don't know what game you play but less than a year ago the CFC and Rus super cap fleets laid waste to the flagship fleets of PL and N3. We did exactly what you ask of us. You might of heard it, it was the Bloodbath at BR5. Did this change anything apart from the price of Tritanium in Jita? No, the largest sov holding alliances in game are the PL and N3 renter allicances. Sonething else needs to change. As I recall the battle would have let to decisive changes in the composition of nullsec but for the utter collapse of various CFC allies due to internal issues. To me that seems to show that the system works. What you need is to create a few more BR5's, and to follow up on them properly this time. And the point is that the suggestions do nothing to create the conditions to make that large supercapital engagement more likely. They are geared towards getting smaller blocs to engage with larger ones - not towards getting the large blocs to directly engage with each other. And that fails to fix the fundamental malady of nullsec - a system of entrenched alliances who refuse to engage in the kind of total war that would really shake things up and allow new powerblocs to emerge.
Unfortunately you missed the key point, the agreement between the CFC and PL meant BoT space was always safe and the vacuum allowed BNI, not the Russians, to take Catch whilst NC. and S2N licked their wounds. At a time when smaller groups could and should have then sniped at the edges of Northern Alliance space, they didn't because sov mechanics still massively favour defence. BR5 only happened due to sov being dropped inavertently, not due to ninja plexing or someother form of active engagement by the CFC and Rus. It's all about how hot my mining lasers get. |
Miner Hottie
Valar Morghulis. Goonswarm Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.09.29 08:43:00 -
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Carl Stonewall wrote:Quote:These entities who have signed this document are historically the most bitter of foes... bwahahahahhaahhaa the most bitter of foes that wont go to war with eachother but rather drop supers on newbie-pilots and rp'ers??? How about this for fixing 0.0 by joint venture... PL and goons mans up and shreds OTEC - voila 0.0 fixed???
Seeing as the CFC only ever took frigates up against BNI in their home, you must be trying to turkey slap PL with the implied insult they drop Supers on frigates and station eggs out of shear boredom?
Seriously though, we could shred OTEC, but we would really need to burn the BoTLord accord as well to generate such a clash of supers, CFC vs PL, but why should we? I don't see you and NC. offering to welp your super fleets into either us or PL. Surely that would fix 0.0 faster. It's all about how hot my mining lasers get. |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1388
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Posted - 2014.09.29 08:46:00 -
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+1 . |
Aiyshimin
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
100
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Posted - 2014.09.29 08:55:00 -
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+1
As a non-nullsec small gang PVP pilot, these are the kind of changes that would make me interested in fighting over 0.0 territory. |
WILLY TROPICAL
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:17:00 -
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What you are asking for is already invented: rent and let others to do the boring job.
No fleet pings No structure bashing No anchor+f1 epic battles No tidi Farm all you want in upgraded systems Live surrounded by blues Access to JBs Docking rights Small scale pvp with other renters or your own corp
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2398
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:18:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.
5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Speedkermit Damo
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
307
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:21:00 -
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Capt Robertson wrote:+1 We Want Fights
Just reset all your blues and have all the fights you want.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen. |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
426
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:33:00 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:Capt Robertson wrote:+1 We Want Fights Just reset all your blues and have all the fights you want.
That is treating the symptom, not the cause. Look at your current situation in Catch. CVA and Hero are just being toyed with to provide fun for PL and NCDOT because that's all there is to be had right now. A wargame between two strategic allies. This war is a complete farce. |
Orkasm
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
138
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:38:00 -
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Resubbed just to +1 this, Make it happen CCP. |
Westar Egdald
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:50:00 -
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100% goon scam. |
Venetian Tar
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
110
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:55:00 -
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Orkasm wrote:Resubbed just to +1 this, Make it happen CCP.
:cripes: I don't hate you, I'm just not necessarily excited about your existance. |
Pheusia
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
183
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Posted - 2014.09.29 09:59:00 -
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The proposal is simply good common sense for the most part, and occupancy-based sov and higher economic density are inarguable. I unreservedly support that part of the "Null Deal".
But I can't help noticing the hook in the bait: the requested NPC stations in each region. The coalition use for this is blindingly obvious: invulnerable staging points and cache stores. They will be of limited use for attackers, but extremely useful for imperial defenders, and the reason they've been asked for is to allow the existing blocs to maintain domination and influence, albeit not direct ownership, over their existing territories.
No secret has been made of the plans to set up large caches of ships in order to work around curbs on power projection: these stations are wanted for exactly this strategy.
By all means lets ask CCP to add more NPC space - that's a drum I've been banging for a long time now - but the way to do this is not to gift the powerblocks with free indestructible staging points in every region, but to add 2-3 more Curse/Stain style regions to the map, especially the east and north, with plenty of medical stations (Venal only has 2 IIRC) and pirate agents so that it's not trivial to hellcamp NPC based groups who become more than a nuisance. Place these regions such that those 0.0 regions which are currently far from any NPC space are now within range. That will accomplish the stated goal of "generate platforms for small-scale PVP content and launching points for smaller alliances. "
A full sized region has the resources to maintain a group that can be a realistic threat, not just harass hapless miners every now and then. |
Securitas Protector
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
61
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:00:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The Rules:4. Personal attacks are prohibited.
Commonly known as flaming, personal attacks are posts that are designed to personally berate or insult another forum user. Posts of this nature are not beneficial to the community spirit that CCP promote and as such they will not be tolerated.5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster. Can you please ask CCP to comment, I'm sure we're all interested in what they have to say. |
Hademar Drake
Diversity 101
0
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:01:00 -
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You want content ? reset your big blue donut. - want big fights move to provi - oh wait most of the big colitions have because they cannot risk loosing there space |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1305
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:10:00 -
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100% behind you guys who wrote the letter Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2026
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:23:00 -
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Who do I talk to about renting NPC nullsec systems in the middle of SOV holding alliances? EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
Tragot Gomndor
Rise of Cerberus Cerberus Unleashed
58
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:29:00 -
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I hate 0.0 cuz of large entities + tidi and empty space. There is almost no in between. If any changes change that, +1. 0.0 = GOONS = SAAAMMMMEEE!!!!1111222 |
Ereshgikal
Pigs and Sows Tactical Narcotics Team
43
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:34:00 -
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Pheusia wrote:The proposal is simply good common sense for the most part, and occupancy-based sov and higher economic density are inarguable. I unreservedly support that part of the "Null Deal".
But I can't help noticing the hook in the bait: the requested NPC stations in each region. The coalition use for this is blindingly obvious: invulnerable staging points and cache stores. They will be of limited use for attackers, but extremely useful for imperial defenders, and the reason they've been asked for is to allow the existing blocs to maintain domination and influence, albeit not direct ownership, over their existing territories.
No secret has been made of the plans to set up large caches of ships in order to work around curbs on power projection: these stations are wanted for exactly this strategy.
By all means lets ask CCP to add more NPC space - that's a drum I've been banging for a long time now - but the way to do this is not to gift the powerblocks with free indestructible staging points in every region, but to add 2-3 more Curse/Stain style regions to the map, especially the east and north, with plenty of medical stations (Venal only has 2 IIRC) and pirate agents so that it's not trivial to hellcamp NPC based groups who become more than a nuisance. Place these regions such that those 0.0 regions which are currently far from any NPC space are now within range. That will accomplish the stated goal of "generate platforms for small-scale PVP content and launching points for smaller alliances. "
A full sized region has the resources to maintain a group that can be a realistic threat, not just harass hapless miners every now and then.
I'll go against the anti-MOA propaganda and state that NPC stations in nullsec do make a difference. While Mordus Angels (MOA) are too small on their own to threaten CFC SOV they are trying (often successfully unless we actively camp them in) to harass the surrounding area. They are not totally unsuccessful and I think that opening up more places like this would make it possible for other groups to live in the midst of the SOV holders and cause havoc.
I know that I love shooting random dudes basing out of NPC nullsec (though I most often end up as a lossmail). I prefer having reds/neuts going through our systems opposed to it being totally dead (like when my old CFC alliance was living in Branch). |
Ereshgikal
Pigs and Sows Tactical Narcotics Team
43
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:36:00 -
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Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Who do I talk to about renting NPC nullsec systems in the middle of SOV holding alliances?
You can contact me. Fair offer will be given. |
Speedkermit Damo
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
307
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:37:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:Capt Robertson wrote:+1 We Want Fights Just reset all your blues and have all the fights you want. That is treating the symptom, not the cause. Look at your current situation in Catch. CVA and Hero are just being toyed with to provide fun for PL and NCDOT because that's all there is to be had right now. A wargame between two strategic allies. This war is a complete farce.
Agree that the war is indeed a total farce. The outcome of this war will not be decided by anything either HERO or Provibloc does. But by N3/PL. We're well aware that they are farming both us and HERO for lulz. I'm surprised your lot hasn't joined in the "Thunderdome" yet.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2026
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:51:00 -
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Ereshgikal wrote:Azami Nevinyrall wrote:Who do I talk to about renting NPC nullsec systems in the middle of SOV holding alliances? You can contact me. Fair offer will be given. Can you give me a system that'll be used as a indestructible staging system?
......which would be any system! EVE needs more Pssshhhh |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:58:00 -
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please don't not listen to these people. |
Dirk Heizer
Ice Labs Northern Associates.
0
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Posted - 2014.09.29 10:59:00 -
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-1 |
Heavypredator Singh
Dedicated Individuals Conditioned to Kill Mordus Angels
17
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Posted - 2014.09.29 11:24:00 -
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Ereshgikal wrote:I'll go against the anti-MOA propaganda and state that NPC stations in nullsec do make a difference. While Mordus Angels (MOA) are too small on their own to threaten CFC SOV they are trying (often successfully unless we actively camp them in) to harass the surrounding area. They are not totally unsuccessful and I think that opening up more places like this would make it possible for other groups to live in the midst of the SOV holders and cause havoc.
I know that I love shooting random dudes basing out of NPC nullsec (though I most often end up as a lossmail). I prefer having reds/neuts going through our systems opposed to it being totally dead (like when my old CFC alliance was living in Branch).
Lies. MoA is irrelevant. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
T-AFK and counting
739
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Posted - 2014.09.29 11:32:00 -
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As I wrote on TMC:
The proposed changes are (as far as I understand):
- occupancy based sovereignty;
- increased amount of resources per system;
- NPC 0.0 in every sov region;
Current power blocks hold the most supers/titans, with decent enough force projection over pretty much all of EVE, and the monopoly over Tech 2 manufacturing (held by corporations, not by players). The proposed changes do not mention these, so I assume that they are not recognized by the alliances as problems. The proposed changes, without resolving force projection and moon goo monopoly will make it easier to rent out systems than before. You'll have all the tools and ISK to control the renting empires and the systems themselves will be more lucrative for any potential renters. With PushX and Black Frog logistics having access to every region in the game though NPC 0.0, it would be easier than ever to rent out even systems that have always been far away from any non-player owned systems, since the logistics of exporting farmed materials from rented systems would be easier than ever. Increased resource amount would mitigate the cost of logistics and I'm sure there will be more services that will offer sov null freight transport bringing the prices down.
The renters, on the other hand, even if they get more ISK from richer systems, would not be able to organize any meaningful action against their landlords, because they lack the tools for it. They can't hold high-end moons because it's against the agreement. If they try to do it by force, they will be stomped with supers. They can only build supers (if they can at all... different alliances have different rules) if they meet certain conditions and they can only sell them either to certain entities or lose ISK if not selling to their landlords (again, the rules are different with each landlord).
While we're at supers and force projection, with the new NPC 0.0 in each region, you won't even need supers to keep your renters under control. Large alliances could just stock up Dreads and Carriers in new NPC 0.0 and just leave them there docked and safe until they are needed for intervention and then use them in large numbers. And you won't even need to travel to your docked fleet since it's NPC 0.0 and you can just instruct your cap pilots to have jump clones installed and ready there. Basically, the force projection of a large number of capitals would not increase - it would be instantaneous (clone jump - done). No renter would think to go against it.
My thoughts around fixing 0.0 and giving smaller entities a chance without improving conditions for large renter empires is to have systems that are hard to reach by the landlords in the reasonable amount of time - aka reduce force projection. The system where deploying a large fleet of capitals and supers to distant systems/regions would leave you vulnerable in other regions, so you'd only deploy when you really need to. Combined with moon mining transition from corporation monopoly to a system similar to Planetary Interaction (similar as a concept of player extracted materials, not implementation and actual mechanics... CCP can be creative about it) with anyone being able to extract the materials regardless of the alliance that holds the system would give smaller entities a chance to compete. o.0 |
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