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Influence Powers
Cherry-Poppers Orderly Misconduct
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:36:00 -
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So I was out before down time this morning, I didnt get back to a station before the shut down. So my question is what is my char ter doing, while iam logged off? Is he just sitting where he was or what. Fat thumbs +tiny screen = text errors |
Toshiro Hasegawa
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:44:00 -
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there are some specific rules that people who actually know how to play the game will tell you all about shortly.
but if you dont have an agro - your ship warps off --- wayyyyy off and disapears ..
during downtime - everyone is gone at the same time i doesnt matter .. if you log out in space when its not downtime your ship stays there for a bit - the more agro you have the longer it stays there.
long story short - downtime = when the server comes back up your ship is safe as houses .. when you log in your ship will warp back from "out there" to where you were when DT happened. History is the study of change. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.29 13:47:00 -
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Let's assume you had no log-of ti.ers running. Your ship will make an E-warp (1 mil km in random direction) and then after 30 sec disappears.
With log-off timers (both NPC and Player) your ship wont disappear till timer runs out (not really an issue with DT, more important with random disconnect).
If you are pointed (warp disruptor / scrambler - no warp possible) your ship cant make the E-warp. And in case of PvP aggression the log-off timer is reset and thus you can not safe your ship by logging off. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
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Influence Powers
Cherry-Poppers Orderly Misconduct
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Posted - 2014.09.29 14:41:00 -
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Thanks guys for the info. I was almost pooping my pants again after I came back from nature calling and seen the game go down for daily down time. Then I had to leave for work and wont get back to log on till way later tonight. So i feel better, losing some drones is alot better than a whole ship and clone full of hardware in head. + 1 internets to you both Fat thumbs +tiny screen = text errors |
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.29 15:05:00 -
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Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:but if you dont have an agro - your ship warps off --- wayyyyy off and disapears ..
That's not a question of aggro or timers (except with bastion), your ship will warp off if nothing prevents it from doing so like warpscrambler or something like that. Timers only determine how long you will sit at the spot the server warped you to before actually logging off.
I wonder if it would be possible that you get ewarped right into a bubble...i mean in theory... |
Toshiro Hasegawa
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.29 15:19:00 -
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if you are just sitting there and you unplug your power from you pc by accident you ship doesnt warp off right away does it ? i thought it sat there for a wee bit before it was auto-warped off. But i could be wrong .. usually am .. just at my 2 yr old daught, my wife or my mother .. or my boss .. or ... :D History is the study of change. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.09.29 16:04:00 -
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Mobbel Ernaga wrote:Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:but if you dont have an agro - your ship warps off --- wayyyyy off and disapears .. That's not a question of aggro or timers (except with bastion), your ship will warp off if nothing prevents it from doing so like warpscrambler or something like that. Timers only determine how long you will sit at the spot the server warped you to before actually logging off. I wonder if it would be possible that you get ewarped right into a bubble...i mean in theory...
Technically...yes.
Likely...hell no.
You warp 1.000.000 km in a random direction, so how big do you think is the chance that someone anchored a bubble in a direct line on that warp within pull boundaries of said bubble in relation to your intended stopping point.
I think the chance of that would be 1 : infinite number in your favour. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Ever wanted to PvP but can't find people to fly with. Look no further and this chat: Redemption Road |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.09.29 17:29:00 -
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J'Poll wrote: You warp 1.000.000 km in a random direction, so how big do you think is the chance that someone anchored a bubble in a direct line on that warp within pull boundaries of said bubble in relation to your intended stopping point.
Said bubble must also be on the grid where you're landing, and I'm not sure if there is even a grid you land on if you do not have an aggression timer.
Because I'm bored, let's do some math. The surface area of a 1,000,000 km sphere is approximately 4*-Ç*(1,000,000 km)^2 = 12,566,371,000,000 km^2. Because this area is so huge, I'm going to assume that when looking at an area as small as a sub-warp "grid" (200 km radius, or so), it is locally "flat". That means that we can estimate how many 200 km radius circles fit in that area to figure out how many possible grids you could land on. To also simplify this, let's assume you can flatten the sphere (you can't) to an area of 12,566,371,000,000 km^2. According to Wikipedia, the area of very tightly packed circles in this area is about 0.9069 if the whole area, which means that 12,566,371,000,000 * 0.9069 = 11,396,442,000,000 km^2 worth of circles. Each one of those circles has an area 4*-Ç*(200 km)^2 = 502,655 km^2. Dividing those, you get approximately 22,672,492 different grids you can land on. That means that even if there is a bubble in one of those (a minuscule chance already), you have a 0.00000441% chance to land on the same grid as it. I probably got the math wrong, but the ballpark seems right.
tl;dr: your character is safe if you warped off without aggression.
If you warped off with aggression, the numbers are the same, but your ship will sit in space a few minutes, during which someone could potentially scan you down, warp to you, and mess you up. After those few minutes, it vanishes and you are safe. ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Influence Powers
Cherry-Poppers Orderly Misconduct
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Posted - 2014.09.29 21:45:00 -
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Umm wow what math, umm my eye glassed over at the first formula, and then it was like hazzy and stuff then I read safe and started to come to again. Thanks for the input. This why I love this game and the community behind it. Real math is such a huge part to eve that 22000000. Posibble landing sites in a grid ,well thats amazing Fat thumbs +tiny screen = text errors |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.09.30 06:04:00 -
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On login now you are put directly into e-warp.
If you logout in a bubble, you don't e-warp, but still disappear from space if you don't have a PvP or PVE timer. On login you appear 1m km away, in e-warp, and e-warp roughly back to where you were, ignoring any bubbles.
E-Warp cannot be interdicted once started. |
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Major Trant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2014.09.30 11:55:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:If you logout in a bubble, you don't e-warp, but still disappear from space if you don't have a PvP or PVE timer. Wouldn't you attempt to warp and then pick up an aggression counter from the bubble?
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Marc Callan
Thrall Nation Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.09.30 12:16:00 -
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Major Trant wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:If you logout in a bubble, you don't e-warp, but still disappear from space if you don't have a PvP or PVE timer. Wouldn't you attempt to warp and then pick up an aggression counter from the bubble? Bubbles may stop you from warping, but there's no aggression involved for the trapped party; your warp drive just goes spuh. No aggression timers. "We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt |
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.09.30 12:30:00 -
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Toshiro Hasegawa wrote:if you are just sitting there and you unplug your power from you pc by accident you ship doesnt warp off right away does it ?
You wil ewarp once the server recognizes you're gone (for whatever reason)...it may take a second or two tho.
J'Poll wrote:You warp 1.000.000 km in a random direction, so how big do you think is the chance that someone anchored a bubble in a direct line on that warp within pull boundaries of said bubble in relation to your intended stopping point.
No, it's not a question of chances, it's about possibilities.
ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Said bubble must also be on the grid where you're landing, and I'm not sure if there is even a grid you land on if you do not have an aggression timer.
This is a interesting point here: Does the server only warp you to a random location or does it warp you to a random location where no grid exists? Well, if there are differences with the grid with or without aggression timers...hmm...ccp answer at least this if you're too lazy to fix bastion. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:02:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:math
That's second time when you used your powers of math to prove a point. One more and some folks might start lighting torches and sharpening pitchforks on suspicion you are a witch. And then somebody could propose something should be done, like building a bridge out of you or sth...
Just saying. Invalid signature format |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.09.30 13:41:00 -
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Mobbel Ernaga wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Said bubble must also be on the grid where you're landing, and I'm not sure if there is even a grid you land on if you do not have an aggression timer. This is a interesting point here: Does the server only warp you to a random location or does it warp you to a random location where no grid exists? Well, if there are differences with the grid with or without aggression timers...hmm...ccp answer at least this if you're too lazy to fix bastion. According to the powers that be that feed information directly into my brain (AKA other ISD folks I've talked to), there is indeed a grid involved, even for aggression-less emergency warp. There used to be an issue where someone logging back in could get caught at said grid by getting bumped, bubbled, scrammed, etc before they could do their automatic un-warp to get back to their logoff spot, but that was fixed.
Thanks go to ISD Athechu for pointing that out.
Schmata Bastanold wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:math That's second time when you used your powers of math to prove a point. One more and some folks might start lighting torches and sharpening pitchforks on suspicion you are a witch. And then somebody could propose something should be done, like building a bridge out of you or sth... Just saying. Technically being a figurative bridge is my job as CCL, so... ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4184
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:08:00 -
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It is impossible to not be "on grid".
Of course "grid" is a player term. In the physics engine Destiny-speak it is the "ballpark", where "balls" (objects in space) can interact.
If you "leave grid" you cause a new grid to be created. |
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