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Jaysin SaBaller
BisonCop Corp.
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:09:54 -
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Hello Fellow Capsuleers,
I recently recieved a notification from an agent I had spoke with. I never accepted nor declined the mission so I was curious as to why this was.
Any help on this is appreciated. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4725
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:12:19 -
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If you click close and dont click delay the timer to accept that mission starts counting.
Once expired, they will let you know they are disappointed (which means that particular mission has expired)
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Jaysin SaBaller
BisonCop Corp.
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:15:56 -
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Ahhh ok. How long does it delay if I delay it? |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4725
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:23:14 -
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Jaysin SaBaller wrote:Ahhh ok. How long does it delay if I delay it?
AFAIK it doesnt. It just means that you will always be promptdd with that mission until you run it / let it pass / reject it.
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Jaysin SaBaller
BisonCop Corp.
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Posted - 2014.09.30 17:27:30 -
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Ok that makes more sense. Thank you very much |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.09.30 18:10:49 -
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Jaysin SaBaller wrote:Ahhh ok. How long does it delay if I delay it?
7 days from the time it was offered. Delay doesn't actually delay anything. It's the same as just closing the window. 7 days after a mission was offered it expires if not accepted. There are some missions, like the Sisters of EVE arc iirc, that don't expire. Most however do.
It was probably a storyline agent. After you've run 16 missions of the same level for the same faction (corp doesn't matter), you get a mission offered by a storyline agent. It can be an agent you've never spoken with. You get the offer by EVEMail, if you just ignore the mail then 7 days later you get the 'Very disappointed in you' message. |
Thomas Builder
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:31:06 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:Delay doesn't actually delay anything. It's the same as just closing the window. I wanted to highlight this.
Also, don't be worried by the message. Even though the agent claims to be 'very disappointed', there is no consequence to it. An expired mission offer is the same as a declined mission. Given that you can decline a mission every 4 hours without penalty and that you didn't interact with the agent for 7 days (otherwise the mission would not have expired), there is no consequence to letting missions expire. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1500
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:56:20 -
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Just don't accept a mission you can't/won't complete. There is a large standing penalty to having an accepted mission expire or fail. |
Leoric Firesword
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Redux
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Posted - 2014.09.30 19:59:17 -
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I wonder if there's any fringe instances where letting one mission expire and getting another within the 4 hour decline window that you could actually lower your standings by declining the mission?
Can you get 2 storyline missions from the same agent at the same time?
I can think of one possible fringe instance, you let first mission expire, an hour after it expires you do your required 16th mission giving you another storyline mission from possibly the same agent. You decline, get a small slap on the wrist for doing so. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1500
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Posted - 2014.09.30 21:03:09 -
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Leoric Firesword wrote:I wonder if there's any fringe instances where letting one mission expire and getting another within the 4 hour decline window that you could actually lower your standings by declining the mission?
Expire doesn't count as a decline.
Quote:Can you get 2 storyline missions from the same agent at the same time?
I don't believe so
Quote:I can think of one possible fringe instance, you let first mission expire, an hour after it expires you do your required 16th mission giving you another storyline mission from possibly the same agent. You decline, get a small slap on the wrist for doing so.
No, because declining a single mission does not incur a penalty. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
32340
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Posted - 2014.10.01 00:15:52 -
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I know CCP said the new Burner missions wouldn't incur any standing penalty. I could be wrong but I figure that would include declines, expired offers and failed missions..
Now correct me if I'm wrong = Other than the Burner missions, the only Agent mission offer that can be ignored and left to expire without incurring any standing loss is a Storyline offer.
All other Agent mission offers will incur a small standing loss for being expired. Declining more than 1 mission offer from the same Agent within a 4 hr time period will incur a slighter higher standing loss. All accepted mission offers that expire are treated as a Fail which incurs an even larger standing loss.
Now if CCP has recently changed game mechanics pertaining to regular Agents and mission offers then please link it so that I and everyone else can update our info..
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1482
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Posted - 2014.10.01 07:02:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Now correct me if I'm wrong = Other than the Burner missions, the only Agent mission offer that can be ignored and left to expire without incurring any standing loss is a Storyline offer.
Sorry, but you're wrong. Missions which expire do not reduce standing.
Quote:All other Agent mission offers will incur a small standing loss for being expired.
It does not. Easy enough to test.
Quote:Now if CCP has recently changed game mechanics pertaining to regular Agents and mission offers then please link it so that I and everyone else can update our info..
'Recently' would have to be somewhere over 3 years ago... But from the discussion last time this came up, it's always been this way. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4799727 |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1500
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Posted - 2014.10.01 07:02:51 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Now correct me if I'm wrong = Other than the Burner missions, the only Agent mission offer that can be ignored and left to expire without incurring any standing loss is a Storyline offer.
Sorry, but you're wrong. Missions which expire do not reduce standing.
Quote:All other Agent mission offers will incur a small standing loss for being expired.
It does not. Easy enough to test.
Quote:Now if CCP has recently changed game mechanics pertaining to regular Agents and mission offers then please link it so that I and everyone else can update our info..
'Recently' would, apparently, be about 5 years ago. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4799727 |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
32340
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Posted - 2014.10.01 08:57:27 -
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Elena Thiesant wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Now correct me if I'm wrong = Other than the Burner missions, the only Agent mission offer that can be ignored and left to expire without incurring any standing loss is a Storyline offer. Sorry, but you're wrong. Missions which expire do not reduce standing. Quote:All other Agent mission offers will incur a small standing loss for being expired. It does not. Easy enough to test. Quote:Now if CCP has recently changed game mechanics pertaining to regular Agents and mission offers then please link it so that I and everyone else can update our info.. 'Recently' would, apparently, be about 5 years ago. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4799727 Until I see a Dev state otherwise, that doesn't prove anything, especially since everyone in that thread is concentrating on Corp / Faction standing. There's more than just Corp and Faction standing in this game, there's also Agent standing.
I've been playing this game for over 6 years and have never seen a Dev blog say regular mission offers that expire will not incur any standing hits. I remember when CCP changed Storyline offers to that mechanic which was quite a while ago, probably about 5 yrs.
When you let a mission offer expire, you lose Agent standing.
If you decline more than 1 mission offer from the same Agent within a 4 hr time period you lose Agent and Corp standing.
If you fail an accepted mission you lose Agent, Corp and Faction standing.
In fact, if you let a Cosmos mission offer expire you not only lose Agent, Corp and Faction standing, you also get locked out of accessing that Agent and possibly even other Agents that are included in the chain.
So yeah, please link the proof or better yet, just have a GM / Dev post and confirm it's true and I will gladly say I was wrong and you're right.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions
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Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:51:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: I've been playing this game for over 6 years and have never seen a Dev blog say regular mission offers that expire will not incur any standing hits. I remember when CCP changed Storyline offers to that mechanic which was quite a while ago, probably about 5 yrs.
When you let a mission offer expire, you lose Agent standing.
Only because there's no devblog that states they won't doesn't mean they will. At least missions from regular L4 Agents don't give ME a standing hit for the specific agent, got a notification of one of my agents after going enrage recently...until now no transactions for that agent/mission visible. It may be different for special types of missions and maybe you messed it up so hard, that they decided to give you standing hits but that's a different story. |
Mobbel Ernaga
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:51:54 -
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Sorry no, one expired recently and after checking transactions for that agent it says nothing about a hit. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1500
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Posted - 2014.10.01 19:45:52 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:When you let a mission offer expire, you lose Agent standing.
I've let several missions expire for an agent recently (busy work schedule). I have no negative standings for the agent or corp, and only negative derived standings for the faction. It's so trivial to test. Would you like me to let a current offer expire and show you screen shots of the standings if you don't want to test it out?
Quote:If you decline more than 1 mission offer from the same Agent within a 4 hr time period you lose Agent and Corp standing.
Agent, corp and faction. Again, would you like me to post screen shots if you don't want to test it yourself? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
32340
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Posted - 2014.10.02 03:55:50 -
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OK, since nobody would link any pictures to prove their statements, I checked it out myself and took some screen shots. This was done with a brand new Level 3 Distribution Agent.
Penalty for Mission Offer being declined more than once within a 4 hr time period :
Agent Standing = Neutral (0.00 Standing)
1st Mission Offer = Declined (Start 4 Hr Timer)
2nd Mission Offer = Declined (Under 4 Hrs)
Faction Standing Transaction = Negative Hit (-0.0131%)
Corp Standing Transaction = Negative Hit (-0.2871%)
Agent Standing Transaction = Negative Hit (-0.6526%)
Agent Standing = Negative Made Positive Due To Skills (-0.07 raised to +1.94 with Diplomacy 5)
It should please you to know I was wrong and you were right. I stand corrected.
Penalty for letting Mission Offer expire :
3rd Mission Offer = Removed From Journal & Left To Expire
In 7 days I'll have the results for this part.
DMC
Faction Standing Repair Plan | California Eve Players | (Proposal) Bring Back 'The Endless Battle' Missions
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1482
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:03:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:OK, since nobody would link any pictures to prove their statements...
I offered last night. I don't exactly keep screen shots of such stuff around just on the off chance someone wants to see standing values.
So... I've let several missions expire for an agent recently (busy work schedule). I have no negative standings for the agent or corp, and only negative derived standings for the faction. Would you like me to let a current offer expire and show you screen shots of the standings?
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Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1500
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:03:20 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:OK, since nobody would link any pictures to prove their statements...
I offered last night. I don't exactly keep screen shots of such stuff around just on the off chance someone wants to see standing values, and I can't just take a screen shot of standing transactions and say 'see, no offer expiry entries' as I'd also need to prove that a mission had expired in that interval.
So...
Quote:I've let several missions expire for an agent recently (busy work schedule). I have no negative standings for the agent or corp, and only negative derived standings for the faction. Would you like me to let a current offer expire and show you screen shots of the standings?
The current mission expires Friday evening. |
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
3484
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Posted - 2014.10.02 12:40:00 -
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Because you are a bad, bad person. Now go there, apologise with flowers and a box of chocolates or good liquor. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
5004
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Posted - 2014.10.02 12:40:58 -
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Because you are a bad, bad person. Now go there, apologise with flowers and a box of chocolates or good liquor.
But seriously:
Quote:within a 4 hr time period will incur a slighter higher standing loss
It should have been linked and opposite to the standing you have with an agent, if its above 3 - 12 hours time period for declining a particular mission. So people will not chain print those ISKs. ANd will actually go for LP. And shorten the time for completion of every mission to a 2 days.
Recon makes them stronger
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Jaysin SaBaller
BisonCop Corp.
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Posted - 2014.10.02 17:10:02 -
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I appreciate all the info everybody. kind of on a side note If you want to get your standing back with an agent or cor or faction or whatever how hard is it? |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1483
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Posted - 2014.10.02 18:30:00 -
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Jaysin SaBaller wrote:I appreciate all the info everybody. kind of on a side note If you want to get your standing back with an agent or cor or faction or whatever how hard is it?
Agent, providing it hasn't dropped so low that they won't talk to you, very easy. Corp, very easy, again providing the standing hasn't dropped so low that none of that corp's agents will talk to you. I think that threshold is -2, but DMC can confirm that.
If the standing has dropped that low that the agent/corp won't talk to you, then you will need to fleet up with someone running missions for that agent/corp and get them to share rewards until your standing is above the threshold
Faction, quite hard. Firstly because regular missions don't give you faction standing, second because you can't fleet up with someone running a storyline mission and share their standings. See 'The Plan' in DMC's signature for lots of details on regaining faction standing. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
1500
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Posted - 2014.10.02 18:30:47 -
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Jaysin SaBaller wrote:I appreciate all the info everybody. kind of on a side note If you want to get your standing back with an agent or cor or faction or whatever how hard is it?
Agent, providing it hasn't dropped so low that they won't talk to you, very easy. Corp, very easy, again providing the standing hasn't dropped so low that none of that corp's agents will talk to you. I think that threshold is -2, but DMC can confirm that.
If the standing has dropped that low that the agent/corp won't talk to you, then you will need to fleet up with someone running missions for that agent/corp and get them to share rewards until your standing is above the threshold
Faction, quite hard. Firstly because regular missions don't give you faction standing, second because you can't fleet up with someone running a storyline mission and share their standings. See 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' in DMC's signature for lots of details on regaining faction standing. |
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