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NoobMan
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.10.01 12:33:00 -
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[Google Doc] SeptemberMonthly Killboard Comparison Operations Director of Hard K(n)ocks Inc. | -áWormhole Killboard Comparison |
chris elliot
Yoyodyne corporation Shadow Cartel
401
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:37:00 -
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Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills. |
Aiyshimin
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
103
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:39:00 -
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AdAstra seem to be the sovereign kings of w-space, awesome work guys!
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umnikar
Fishbone Industries
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:47:00 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:AdAstra seem to be the sovereign kings of w-space, awesome work guys!
^^ this Wondering why it's sorted by $ destroyed at default...or why such calculations are there anyway |
Alundil
Isogen 5
688
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Posted - 2014.10.01 13:54:00 -
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Thanks, as always, noobman.
I'm right behind you |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3813
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Posted - 2014.10.01 14:00:00 -
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chris elliot wrote:Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills.
^^^this Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Natasha Donnan
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
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Posted - 2014.10.01 14:12:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:chris elliot wrote:Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills. ^^^this
I've got this data if people are interested. Noobman, not trying to steal your thunder or anything here.
Out of interest there also seems to be an issue with the stats page on zkillboard, if a corp member gets on your kill mail then it seems to appear in the stats page as a kill for your corp rather than a loss. This hopefully explains the difference between some of the figures on Noobmans sheet and mine.
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CivilWars
Rolled Out Triumvirate.
205
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Posted - 2014.10.01 14:44:00 -
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Nice work Noob, as usual.
Natasha, love it. Can I request a column be added to show % of kills in w-space? I know I can get a general idea, but effort. We Re-Rolled. Stop by public channel Rolled Out to join the fun.
Hidden Fremen liked your forum post:... |
Juan Diolosa
Codename-47
29
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Posted - 2014.10.01 14:50:00 -
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BAM!
Made a list and we are not even commies.
Thanks, Noobman. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1884
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Posted - 2014.10.01 15:14:00 -
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Does this just show wormhole kills or all kills? ... I suppose it would be pretty pointless if it was all kills.
edit: chris elliot wrote:Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills. Ah okay, i guess that answers that one. +1 |
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Judas Lonestar
Stryker Industries
84
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:27:00 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:AdAstra seem to be the sovereign kings of w-space, awesome work guys!
You mean nullsec right? A quick breeze through their Sept killboard (Which is EXTENSIVE) shows a distinct lack of "J" as the starting system number.
EDIT: I personally think a list showing only W-space kills and only those kills which are (were) ships (Not pos modules and stuff) would be far more telling as whos actually active in W-space.
Of course, that would make me simply cease to exist on killboards I suppose. :) |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
708
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Posted - 2014.10.01 16:57:00 -
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Natasha Donnan wrote:Jack Miton wrote:chris elliot wrote:Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills. ^^^this I've got this data if people are interested. Noobman, not trying to steal your thunder or anything here. Out of interest there also seems to be an issue with the stats page on zkillboard, if a corp member gets on your kill mail then it seems to appear in the stats page as a kill for your corp rather than a loss. This hopefully explains the difference between some of the figures on Noobmans sheet and mine. here
Are you looking at it from just the stats page, or are you pulling all kills and parsing from there? If you're parsing, then in that function, just run a check on system and if it's j followed by numbers (can't be ****** to make this regex sorry), then class it as a WH kill. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Judas Lonestar
Stryker Industries
84
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Posted - 2014.10.01 17:14:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Natasha Donnan wrote:Jack Miton wrote:chris elliot wrote:Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills. ^^^this I've got this data if people are interested. Noobman, not trying to steal your thunder or anything here. Out of interest there also seems to be an issue with the stats page on zkillboard, if a corp member gets on your kill mail then it seems to appear in the stats page as a kill for your corp rather than a loss. This hopefully explains the difference between some of the figures on Noobmans sheet and mine. here Are you looking at it from just the stats page, or are you pulling all kills and parsing from there? If you're parsing, then in that function, just run a check on system and if it's j followed by numbers (can't be ****** to make this regex sorry), then class it as a WH kill.
This is assuming every nullsec system name has a dash in it, but if so you could simply check for the "-" in the system name and skip it when tallying up the kills. |
Natasha Donnan
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
6
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Posted - 2014.10.01 17:25:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Natasha Donnan wrote:Jack Miton wrote:chris elliot wrote:Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills. ^^^this I've got this data if people are interested. Noobman, not trying to steal your thunder or anything here. Out of interest there also seems to be an issue with the stats page on zkillboard, if a corp member gets on your kill mail then it seems to appear in the stats page as a kill for your corp rather than a loss. This hopefully explains the difference between some of the figures on Noobmans sheet and mine. here Are you looking at it from just the stats page, or are you pulling all kills and parsing from there? If you're parsing, then in that function, just run a check on system and if it's j followed by numbers (can't be ****** to make this regex sorry), then class it as a WH kill.
Erm, not quite following what you are saying. My spreadsheet does split out k-space and w-space kills (and losses) granted it doesn't make a differentiation between hisec lowsec and 00 but i dont think people are that bothered about that.
FYI I am trawling every kill and adding up the stats manually and am checking for caps, and the system that the kill occurred to produce the data. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
709
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Posted - 2014.10.01 19:28:00 -
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Judas Lonestar wrote: This is assuming every nullsec system name has a dash in it, but if so you could simply check for the "-" in the system name and skip it when tallying up the kills.
No you obviously know nothing about regex. Match starting character to j and accept 6 characters after that are only numbers 0-9. That matches only WHs.
Natasha Donnan wrote: Erm, not quite following what you are saying. My spreadsheet does split out k-space and w-space kills (and losses) granted it doesn't make a differentiation between hisec lowsec and 00 but i dont think people are that bothered about that.
FYI I am trawling every kill and adding up the stats manually and am checking for caps, and the system that the kill occurred to produce the data.
Is your spreadsheet making API calls or are you doing it by hand? If you're doing it by hand I'm so sorry. You can make API calls per corp per day, but you'll hit your limit pretty fast. If you do it one time then you'll be fine, but you may need to spread the calls out over two days... If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Natasha Donnan
Serene Vendetta Brawls Deep
6
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Posted - 2014.10.01 19:35:00 -
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Andrew Jester wrote:Judas Lonestar wrote: This is assuming every nullsec system name has a dash in it, but if so you could simply check for the "-" in the system name and skip it when tallying up the kills.
No you obviously know nothing about regex. Match starting character to j and accept 6 characters after that are only numbers 0-9. That matches only WHs. Natasha Donnan wrote: Erm, not quite following what you are saying. My spreadsheet does split out k-space and w-space kills (and losses) granted it doesn't make a differentiation between hisec lowsec and 00 but i dont think people are that bothered about that.
FYI I am trawling every kill and adding up the stats manually and am checking for caps, and the system that the kill occurred to produce the data.
Is your spreadsheet making API calls or are you doing it by hand? If you're doing it by hand I'm so sorry. You can make API calls per corp per day, but you'll hit your limit pretty fast. If you do it one time then you'll be fine, but you may need to spread the calls out over two days...
Of course I am not doing it by hand :) the spreadsheet is making the api calls and adding up the values. It all works absolutely fine, it caches data for x amount of time, blah blah, I know how to program :P
Btw you can't use regex on system names from the zkb api, it gives you the system id rather than the system name. All you actually need to do is check that the system id is over a certain number. |
Andrew Jester
Origin. Black Legion.
709
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Posted - 2014.10.01 19:37:00 -
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Natasha Donnan wrote:Andrew Jester wrote:Judas Lonestar wrote: This is assuming every nullsec system name has a dash in it, but if so you could simply check for the "-" in the system name and skip it when tallying up the kills.
No you obviously know nothing about regex. Match starting character to j and accept 6 characters after that are only numbers 0-9. That matches only WHs. Natasha Donnan wrote: Erm, not quite following what you are saying. My spreadsheet does split out k-space and w-space kills (and losses) granted it doesn't make a differentiation between hisec lowsec and 00 but i dont think people are that bothered about that.
FYI I am trawling every kill and adding up the stats manually and am checking for caps, and the system that the kill occurred to produce the data.
Is your spreadsheet making API calls or are you doing it by hand? If you're doing it by hand I'm so sorry. You can make API calls per corp per day, but you'll hit your limit pretty fast. If you do it one time then you'll be fine, but you may need to spread the calls out over two days... Of course I am not doing it by hand :) the spreadsheet is making the api calls and adding up the values. It all works absolutely fine, it caches data for x amount of time, blah blah, I know how to program :P Btw you can't use regex on system names from the zkb api, it gives you the system id rather than the system name. All you actually need to do is check that the system id is over a certain number.
That or match system ID to the data dump/api call from CCP, but have checking if the number is over a different one would be vastly more efficient. If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy |
Aiyshimin
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
113
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:26:00 -
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Judas Lonestar wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:AdAstra seem to be the sovereign kings of w-space, awesome work guys!
You mean nullsec right? A quick breeze through their Sept killboard (Which is EXTENSIVE) shows a distinct lack of "J" as the starting system number. EDIT: I personally think a list showing only W-space kills and only those kills which are (were) ships (Not pos modules and stuff) would be far more telling as whos actually active in W-space. Of course, that would make me simply cease to exist on killboards I suppose. :)
Ok I didn't parse the locations that much.
Let me rephrase: AdAstra are the best PVPers out of this selection of corps by a fair margin.
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
290
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Posted - 2014.10.01 23:58:00 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:...Let me rephrase: AdAstra are the best PVPers out of this selection of corps by a fair margin.
By the universal standard metric of your opinion? You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
1644
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Posted - 2014.10.02 02:39:00 -
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This is interesting data.
AdAdstra (10%), SnailsAndFrogs (10%), KICK, WH0RE, BAERS all get less than a third of their kill value in WH space. Golf claps all around. That's some amazing wormholing, AdAstra.
The average ISK killed in w-space versus total is 57%.
Excluding capitals, i think it is fair to say that a majority of entities get more numerical kills outside of w-space than inside. QUEX and BU got an average of 94% of ISK killed in w-space.
The median value of WH kills has gone from 25-28 billion per month pre Hyperion down to 21 (across ALL entities) in September. It will be interesting to see if this continues trending lower.
Likewise, the average is trending down from 72B in May, 58 June, 49 in july, 44 in August and 41B in September. As low as April.
Number of kills on average has trended down similarly; 83 in April, 104 in May, 95 June, 90 July, 87 August and 76 in September. The medium number of total kills per corp follows the same trajectory.
Conclusions?
Well, I guess we have to wait another 5 months but there is a clear trend of wormhole PVP losing out to k-space PVPing. We are seeing, on average and in aggregate, less being killed in terms of ISk and individual kills, by wormholers, since April.
The data doesn't address the issue directly, and capital kills in terms of ISk certainly heavily skew data in wormholes towards a few capital ganks washing out hundreds of BRAVE Atrons and Moas, so it's hard to say if there's even less wormhole PVP being had than this suggests. it's likely, I've certainly not experienced anywhere near the number of random encounters of even POSed up fools in the past 6 weeks.
So, going forward, I hope that Fozzie is reading this and realises that he's got to look at actual hard facts. if he doesn't, well, it doesn't bode well.
J's before K's. Sudden Buggery is recruiting w-nerds and w-noobs. Mail your resume in today! http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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chris elliot
Yoyodyne corporation Shadow Cartel
407
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Posted - 2014.10.02 03:20:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:This is interesting data.
AdAdstra (10%), SnailsAndFrogs (10%), KICK, WH0RE, BAERS all get less than a third of their kill value in WH space. Golf claps all around. That's some amazing wormholing, AdAstra.
The average ISK killed in w-space versus total is 57%.
Excluding capitals, i think it is fair to say that a majority of entities get more numerical kills outside of w-space than inside. QUEX and BU got an average of 94% of ISK killed in w-space.
The median value of WH kills has gone from 25-28 billion per month pre Hyperion down to 21 (across ALL entities) in September. It will be interesting to see if this continues trending lower.
Likewise, the average is trending down from 72B in May, 58 June, 49 in july, 44 in August and 41B in September. As low as April.
Number of kills on average has trended down similarly; 83 in April, 104 in May, 95 June, 90 July, 87 August and 76 in September. The medium number of total kills per corp follows the same trajectory.
Conclusions?
Well, I guess we have to wait another 5 months but there is a clear trend of wormhole PVP losing out to k-space PVPing. We are seeing, on average and in aggregate, less being killed in terms of ISk and individual kills, by wormholers, since April.
The data doesn't address the issue directly, and capital kills in terms of ISk certainly heavily skew data in wormholes towards a few capital ganks washing out hundreds of BRAVE Atrons and Moas, so it's hard to say if there's even less wormhole PVP being had than this suggests. it's likely, I've certainly not experienced anywhere near the number of random encounters of even POSed up fools in the past 6 weeks.
So, going forward, I hope that Fozzie is reading this and realises that he's got to look at actual hard facts. if he doesn't, well, it doesn't bode well.
He'll look at them, maybe...once...probably not... give it a couple years and they might get back to you on it. |
Winthorp
2780
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Posted - 2014.10.02 04:56:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:chris elliot wrote:Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills. ^^^this
^^^^this.
When the old spreadsheet was maintained for WH space entities it did have K-space and WH space kills seperatable by the click of a button and it was great. It really showed different aspects of how corps operate also.
I won't even bother looking at a spreadsheet without it TBH because some WH corps are basically null corps nowadays anyway.... |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
3821
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Posted - 2014.10.02 05:53:00 -
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Looks like LazorHawks are actually top of the list. Remember kids, kspace kills don't count if you're a WH corp. Stuck In Here With Me:-á http://sihwm.blogspot.com.au/ Down the Pipe:-á http://downthepipe-wh.com/ |
Aiyshimin
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
118
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:30:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:...Let me rephrase: AdAstra are the best PVPers out of this selection of corps by a fair margin. By the universal standard metric of your opinion?
By the universal standard metric of kills/member.
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Tung Yoggi
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
36
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Posted - 2014.10.02 17:55:00 -
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Well since chain rolling sadly shares some strong similarities with titan hugging, adastra and us, which are former 0.0 whitetrashes, prefer to look actively for 0.0 exits. However, we generally welcome WH pvp when it comes to us.
You may even say we're drone regions corps, it would be almost true and we would not care either.
Nice work by the way, thanks !
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Hatshepsut IV
Cascading Failure Un.Bound
290
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:38:00 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:...Let me rephrase: AdAstra are the best PVPers out of this selection of corps by a fair margin. By the universal standard metric of your opinion? By the universal standard metric of kills/member.
Which doesn't really hold up when in reality all three corps are basically sharing the same fights. By your logic people killing nonstop pods in highsec in a corp of 1 must be the greatest pvpers of all. You too can start failing today! Reddit-áad | Cascading Failure Public Channel | Aspiring Failure
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
78
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Posted - 2014.10.03 00:59:00 -
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Hatshepsut IV wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:Hatshepsut IV wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:...Let me rephrase: AdAstra are the best PVPers out of this selection of corps by a fair margin. By the universal standard metric of your opinion? By the universal standard metric of kills/member. Which doesn't really hold up when in reality all three corps are basically sharing the same fights. By your logic people killing nonstop pods in highsec in a corp of 1 must be the greatest pvpers of all.
Or you could just not care what anybody thinks and play the game for fun.
vOv
By my metric, I'm winning. |
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
514
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Posted - 2014.10.03 02:23:00 -
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Looks like SSC might be #1 in October. Snipped signature for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne |
Bronya Boga
Isogen 5
486
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Posted - 2014.10.03 02:41:00 -
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Natasha Donnan wrote:Jack Miton wrote:chris elliot wrote:Now filter out the k-space kills from the w-space kills. ^^^this I've got this data if people are interested. Noobman, not trying to steal your thunder or anything here. Out of interest there also seems to be an issue with the stats page on zkillboard, if a corp member gets on your kill mail then it seems to appear in the stats page as a kill for your corp rather than a loss. This hopefully explains the difference between some of the figures on Noobmans sheet and mine. here
Dont know about the rest but the numbers for iso are way off Host of Down The Pipe-áIngame Channel DTP Podcast www.downthepipe-wh.com GÇïIsogen 5 is recruiting. Check us out
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Epigene
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.10.04 22:15:00 -
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How did we make it on the list? Does that mean we are now officially a bad-ass PvP alliance? :)
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