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Partsking
THORN Syndicate Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:34:00 -
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Aryndel Vyst wrote:I love how the people lauding this change are all of the high sec pubbies that mine rocks all day or shoot red crosses. Tell us more about how great this is for a change that won't impact your bubble of safety at all?
Came planning on making the same statement.
Left satisfied.
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Lord TGR
4
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:34:00 -
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Danny S wrote:Legetus Shmoof Metallii wrote:I thought this was what the null players wanted. Nerf Power Projection. Wasn't it? no it is what the cfc wanted so they can rule the game with subcaps Abloo bloo bloo. Bye. |
MajorBean
Mystic Methheads
38
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:34:00 -
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NUTSHELL |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
855
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:34:00 -
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Querns wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Retar Aveymone wrote:The abolition of podjumping makes it massively difficult for our newbies to join us in Deklein. Has any thought been put into that? Yes, but it's a thing we're still not happy with the state of. We're going to discuss this specific issue more tomorrow, with the aim of coming up with a reasonable solution that deals with the newbie use case without opening the door to more general problems. Stay tuned for more info. Maybe apply the same changes to podjumping that capital jumps have -- only available targets are inside a 5LY jump range, and you incur jump fatigue. Maybe perhaps also allow an emergency podjump to your "home" system (the one you get assigned to if you get locked out of your existing medical clone location) once every 20h or something. This would let people exit warzones and aid people in getting to your alliance's space for the first time without allowing instantaneous travel throughout the galaxy. Your home system can't be an outpost, so that doesn't work. |
Seraph Essael
Devils Diciples League of Infamy
906
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:34:00 -
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VauXurne wrote:So cynojammers are nerfed too? Now you can just jump your caps through the gate. Put your fleet on the other side of the bubbled gate and wait for them. Place Inties and T3s to catch and pod scouts...
Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person." |
Prince Kobol
2225
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:34:00 -
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Lyris Nairn wrote:Pine Marten wrote:Im very interested and excited about capital changes. Can't wait to see some epic null-->lowsec blobcamps get crashed by an incoming capital fleet through the gate lol Where are these "epic" camps? Please forward intel to me in game. :) edit: What the christ even posting has a timer limit now?
They don't currently exist but they sure will after these changes. |
Niclas Miula
ABS Ratting Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:35:00 -
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I just saw your announcement.
Downloading Arche Age right now. |
Bobmon
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:35:00 -
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And I quote CCP Guard =
''We're CCP! We march on fearlessly! Excellent is what we strive to be! If you're going to follow us to the top HARDEN THE **** UP!''
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
17
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:35:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:How closely have you considered the impact of the jump shock stacking to primarily black-ops PVP groups? Those pilots will be taking black ops bridges from target to target accruing high amounts of the jump penalty.
When I think of power projection problems, small gang black ops bombers and recons are not the kind of thing I think of.
If they leave that door open we might see a lot of switching to blops capable things for fighting. |
Insidious
Hax. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:35:00 -
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*ahem* racial jump fuel in every region *cough* |
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
984
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:35:00 -
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You could reduce the jump fatigue timer by 50%
you know 1 + (Light years * 0.50)
Also the jump range should be 7.5 light years.
This will stll greatly nerf power projection but still make capitals useful. |
Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
163
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:36:00 -
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Eve is probably the slowest moving video game on the market .... and you're making it slower .... I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
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Celldoom
Nomads 0f New Eden
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:36:00 -
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Honestly this feels really bad. "Jump fatigue"? machines don't get tired...
Artificial limits on a mechanic like this feels very tacked on. It just feels bad.
The mechanics should be emergent, not forced (i know, kinda contradictory...).
My armchair-game-dev idea:
Make it so that there's only one gate in each system. Allow all ships to gate-jump to any other gate within the ships range. Gate-jumping like this would take time and not instant. We would see the stars move around just like an interplanetary jump with the planets with a regular warp drive.
Things affecting jumps:
- Ship Role. A venture will have a small range while an Atron might have the highest gate-jump range of frigates.
- Fittings. Equipment or rigs that can alter the gate-jump range or speed of a ship.
- Fuel - "ammo" for the engine. Higher meta level fuel costs more and is more efficient.
- Ship's jump speed - jumping across the stars takes time. Each ship would have its own jump speed across the stars so i you want a mobile fleet you will bring certain ships over others.
This way capital ships would have longer ranges by naturally having bigger fuel reserves (and consuming more ofc). Frigates would be much faster than capitals because of much higher jump acceleration during short jumps. |
Andy Koraka
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:36:00 -
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Black Ops need more special casing than retaining their jump range (take that for all I care) because the fatigue breaks their entire gameplay niche.
With the current formula a black ops fleet is worth a 1 jump round trip per night, fleet stood down see you tomorrow! What gameplay niche is supposed to be derived from inserting glass tanked ships once per day deep into hostile space? |
Max Dread
ARJIS Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:36:00 -
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I say make the changes Devs, It the only way you will learn the outcome. If you not listening to the community results are catastrophic. End of discussion.
Regards,
Max Dread |
TraderJoe19
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:36:00 -
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Partsking wrote:Aryndel Vyst wrote:I love how the people lauding this change are all of the high sec pubbies that mine rocks all day or shoot red crosses. Tell us more about how great this is for a change that won't impact your bubble of safety at all? Came planning on making the same statement. Left satisfied.
Come one, give the wh crowd a little love, most of us seem to like the change too :) |
Lugor
Pegasus Security Services
4
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:36:00 -
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Well done CCP, well done.
You should be winning the award for 'how to **** off your playerbase (again)' award next year. congratz.
Have you paid someone to come up with these silly ideas?
This will nerf JFs making it unbearable and a complete pain in the backside to supply large chunks of null.
Some people log in to for a short period of time just to have a bit of fun. If the majority of that time is now taken up by jumping why bother playing?
Capitals using gates....just dumb. People have not been crying to use the gates so why change something that does not need changing? Yes force projection needs adjusting but not to the stupid levels you are suggesting.
But hey ccp, u gotta pay ur devs to come up with 'bright ideas'. |
The Slayer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
170
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:36:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:The Slayer wrote:Just to play Devils Advocate here a bit if you wait out the fatigue timer instead of just the jump timer you can run this exact route in around 14 hours. Yup, there's a lot of smart optimization opportunities here.
To be fair I still think 14 hours is a hell of a long time to need to wait to take your cap round space. Numbers might need a touch of work.
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Dutch Motsu
Under Dark Sins of our Fathers
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:37:00 -
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I am not sure how to feel about this, at all. I normally welcome change to the game, however this seems to be one of those things that will hurt the game more than it will help. Perhaps there is a better way to tackle this issue?
Jump range changes to 5ly I agree with, this will make travel more difficult, and it also makes holding outrageous amounts of space impossible... good luck charging rent on the other side of eve.
Allowing Caps to use Star gates? Good. I agree with this as well.
Cool down timers on jumps to reduce the number of jumps a player can make in a week, that also end up being incremental over time? - no, this is the part that I think goes too far. I understand the need to change how jumps work, and to make hot-drops less effective and not be as common a tactic, but this goes too far. Compensating is good, but overcompensating is not. Perhaps the Jump Drive should initiate a combat timer instead, preventing the ship from docking or using a stargate for one minute. This would mean you need to cap-bost in between jumps or keep your JD Capable ship in space for 1 minute.
In addition to the Combat timer, perhaps a cool-down should also be applied to Region jumps, similar to jumping through the same wormhole twice, to reduce the amount of long distance travel and hot dropping. a kind of "Hull Polarizing Effect" that prevents you from jumping with your Jump Drive out of Sinq-Liason for a certain amount of time (30 Minutes? 10 Minutes?) thus making region based attacks easier, but Long distance travel more difficult. To me it makes sense, different regions having different effects on your ships hull and navigation systemGǪ a navigation recalibration timer for region jumps may also benefit slightly.
I also agree with some of the other people on the forums, an increase to Nullsec would be another fix, especially with the JD range changes.
As for the clone changes? About damn time.
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland Test Alliance Please Ignore
803
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:37:00 -
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Coldheart Jones wrote:Welp in before Jita riots v2, another few thousand players unsubbing and ccp having to Fire off another portion of their Staff so they can just continue to run this game into the ground :)
also im selling My capitals anyone intrested?
Dude, you would have to actually be in hisec to Jita riot. No one that lives in hisec is even going to notice. There will be no Jita riots.
I seriously doubt the loss of a couple hundred accounts, or even a thousand, is going to kill eve.
Hell, even 5 years ago you could roam nul or losec and get fights without worrying about PL/BL or whomever hotdropping your fleet because they weren't in the area. Now there are so many capital pilots and ships that no matter where you are, if there is more than 5B isk on the line, you are virtually guaranteed to get some bored capital involvement in your fight.
Also...
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
To all of you saying CCP are killing nulsec, open your eyes. You killed it with your constant interference, "e-honoureable 3rd-partying", hotdrop fuckery, non-interferenece accords, and rental empires. Welcome to the house that YOU built.
http://youtu.be/dxytyRy-O1k GÇ£I personally refuse to help AAA take space from itself so it can become an even shittier version of itselfGÇ¥ -Grath Telkin, 2014.
Free PASTA! |
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Katrina Bekers
Rim Collection RC Sorry We're In Your Space Eh
220
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:37:00 -
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Came for the tears.
Not disappointed. << THE RABBLE BRIGADE >> |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11476
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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Celldoom wrote:Honestly this feels really bad. "Jump fatigue"? machines don't get tired...
go put a cinder block on your car's gas pedal with something set up to continually feed gasoline into it
see how long it takes for your engine to explode Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
986
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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Also i have read a lot of posts i can see PL actually coming out on top of this as the power alliance, mostly because all the PL members I know I met back in 06 and 07 out in cloud ring or drone regions or in branch. They still remember doing large escort fleets from high to null or null and back with freighters. With experience and vet status they will easily adapt to this change
CCP can we get the nano phoon back then :D |
Ravenssong
Oldspooks
2
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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Tyr Dolorem wrote:Ravenssong wrote:X ATM092 wrote:Kendepp wrote:Have 11 accounts now. If CCP will apply these changes, i'll cancel all my subsciprions, and i'm sure thousands of people will do the same. It woun't be a game i'd like to pay for.
I have about 300 active subscriptions, will be keeping all of them. That's great you will be able to play with yourself in private now... Seriously? Obvious troll is obvious. Considering what this dude does on the character bazaar I have no problem believing that number. Welp if that is true, he isn't keeping them now is he? He is trading them. Anyway. Off topic. These changes will make his carrier and titan pilots more valuable as people will need alts to ferry them. |
stierkobb
Hard Knocks Inc.
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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10/10 patch, would install.
Wormholes send their regards. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
357
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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jump fatigue is a super dumb idea, cripes |
Prince Kobol
2225
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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The Slayer wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:The Slayer wrote:Just to play Devils Advocate here a bit if you wait out the fatigue timer instead of just the jump timer you can run this exact route in around 14 hours. Yup, there's a lot of smart optimization opportunities here. To be fair I still think 14 hours is a hell of a long time to need to wait to take your cap round space. Numbers might need a touch of work.
Why, don't you feel like taking a day off your your job just so you can move your Capital Ship in a spaceship game? |
Kali Omega
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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Was a bit upset at first, but they are not touching black ops range..so in my mind that is just going to make black ops fleets better. Going to have lots of capitals to hunt on gate. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1383
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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will dread/carrier/super roams be a thing now?
And are supers included in the gate to gate travel? |
Ned Black
Driders
89
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Posted - 2014.10.01 18:38:00 -
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Ok, I have pis*ed on Cyno mechanics many many times... but even I can say that these changes feels completely... wierd...
What I find most wierd is that you can instantly travel from one spot to the other many lightyears away instantly. THAT is the problem if you ask me. Sure jump chains are also an issue, but to me artificial timers just feels wrong on so many levels.
To me it would be much more logical if it was the jump itself that took the time. Lets just say that a carrier can fly 1 LY / minute. So if you do a 5 LY jump you have to sit and wait 5 minutes before the jump is complete. If the cyno ship is killed during this time you spread out more and more because you dont have the lock any more.
After this travel you end up in the system and then you can instantly jump again.
It should be the jump that takes time, not the time in between jumps. |
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