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Rommiee
Mercury Inc.
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:26:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: (I think this is true, I've been in this thread for three hours and my brain is hurting a little.)
Apply a little common sense, it may relieve the pain.......or undock or something for a change |
kidkoma
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
21
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:26:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra Gallente Federation
404
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:27:00 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Lyn Fel wrote:baltec1 wrote:They say in space nobody can hear you scream, however the sound we all just heard from PL as they were bent over and royally screwed was deafening. Actually, that was me. Just use chains of JF alts...problem solved.
Not really. Easily solved by having the timers on the ships instead of characters. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1390
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:27:00 -
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Rutger Centemus wrote:CCP Greyscale wrote:Kat Ayclism wrote: But now there is an increased susceptibility of them to subcaps- being permabumped when attempting to align to the next gate as an example. If supers traveling via gates should be possible if not preferred, then should they not also now have means to defend themselves?
As I mentioned earlier, there are solutions to this already, and I'm sure people will figure them out. Lemme guess - you expect people to web supers into warp...? People argued that method with a passion int all the freighter ganging threads so yeah |
Migui X'hyrrn
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
142
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:27:00 -
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Thanks CCP Greyscale for the feedback and the effort of replying.
I would have loved to have the same thing in the language consolidation thread, but there is that.
Lets see how this thing evolves. |
Caius Argentis
Snuff Box
9
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:27:00 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:Big alliances wont be screwed at all for power projection. youll just see a fleet of 250 nullified ceptors burning around going to a system where theres 250 fitted carriers waiting that's within a jump or two of the destination.
alliances already do this with cyno toons and they have the income these days to start setting up cache's of such ships.
bubble the station to stop them I hear. ceptors are bubble immune, and 250 carriers undocking and letting lose drones is enough to scare off most camps.
Yea, handing out 250 carriers via the new and improved contract/trade systems is a breeze, that wont slow them down at all.
Oh...wait. |
Sheeana Harb
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
36
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:27:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote: Is the balance for Black Ops final? No. Please give feedback!
Given the niche of Black Ops (jump in, kill a target and leave as fast as possible), could you please consider the jump cooldown timer affecting overall performance of Black Ops, rather than preventing it from jumping?
Let's say if a pilot is in Black Ops, he can still jump, even with the 'orange' timer, but the timer itself would penalize ship's tracking, damage, resistances, speed, ect? Black Ops usually strike with an overwhelming force, where these penalties don't matter much, but when they are counter-dropped (or when targetting something bigger), the defenders would have an upper hand.
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kidkoma
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
21
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:28:00 -
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Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
91
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:28:00 -
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Ncc 1709 wrote:Big alliances wont be screwed at all for power projection. youll just see a fleet of 250 nullified ceptors burning around going to a system where theres 250 fitted carriers waiting that's within a jump or two of the destination.
alliances already do this with cyno toons and they have the income these days to start setting up cache's of such ships.
bubble the station to stop them I hear. ceptors are bubble immune, and 250 carriers undocking and letting lose drones is enough to scare off most camps.
What is pipe bombing ?
I have a Ph.D |
Tuscor
United System's Commonwealth
79
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:28:00 -
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First of all - in general I support these changes.
It is very telling that the majority of those who are complaining are from larger Nullsec groups who currently rely on large fleets of capitals to control their space or hot drop all and sundry. Mixing it up and reducing their ability to do so can only be a good thing.
That being said, the effect on JF logistics is unfortunate and perhaps needs to be looked at.
Stay strong CCP - back yourselves here
Everyone bitching - adapt or die. Feck off if you can't handle it and leave the game. You will not be missed, and others will rise to take your place.
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Max Kolonko
High Voltage Industries Ash Alliance
454
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:28:00 -
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\o/ Love the changes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff? |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10254
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:28:00 -
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I feel a strong disturbance in the force ...
... projection.
*badum tish* I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
887
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote:Ncc 1709 wrote:Big alliances wont be screwed at all for power projection. youll just see a fleet of 250 nullified ceptors burning around going to a system where theres 250 fitted carriers waiting that's within a jump or two of the destination.
alliances already do this with cyno toons and they have the income these days to start setting up cache's of such ships.
bubble the station to stop them I hear. ceptors are bubble immune, and 250 carriers undocking and letting lose drones is enough to scare off most camps. What is pipe bombing ? something that doesn't work on interceptors because it relies on drag bubbling |
Dareth Sorenal
Insurgent New Eden Tribe RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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Has any of you CCP guys been playing EVE lately ? You really know what you're talking about ?
I really can't see any benefit in Nullsec life with this massive capital killing... apart from Rorqual role bonuses, ever heard of military deploys ? How do you expect alliances to relocate for military stuff ? Carriers today are more a truck than a gun... this way you're simply killing them!
You really expect players to accept this change and wait days to complete a deploy ??? Guys, these are spaceships! I expect them to fly a long way, I'm not getting any fatigue, I'm not bringing them on my back, c'mon ! Am I playing Skyrim with a backpack filled with carriers ?!?!? Are you serious ?!? What about tremendous warp accel/decel of ceptors then ? That's fatigue!
Should I start playing EVE today I wouldn't really see any reason to skill any capital stuff.... Flying with Carriers through gates ? I wouldn't even if I could, unless my plan was suicide in the beginning.
My 50 cent... you should give up listening to people complaining about EVE being a harsh world (it just is. period.) and stop filling this sandbox with silly rules just to please someone complaining.
I have a life, and I play EVE for fun, but it seems that it keeps getting worse every day/every patch. It will certainly be after these changes. Many other games waiting out there..... Have fun
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MASSADEATH
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
37
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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AssandTits wrote:MASSADEATH wrote: Jump fatigue affects people taking bridges from what I understood.
Yup.
THIS IS PURE GOLD JERRY
use your precious JB network..and suck up some jump fatigue.... NO MORE JB hopping ahead of subcaps fleets ..you are gonna have to chase us gate to gate....
the permutations are endless....
or maybe you get trapped near locals and cant bring any more support ..
or maybe JB in subcaps only to be crushed by locals using their carriers..... that would be pure GOLD!!!!
OHHH the goonie tears are so awesome....
Mass you are generally one of the more intelligent sperglords in MOA. Do you seriosuly not realise that the only fleet that will be able to attack sov with any success will be bombers? There are no goon tears, the realization that just by being in a region you now have a massive force advatage. Jump your caps 4 times, hey guys we need to jump one .. bam and done. GG MOA, never let reality get in the way of your unbridled shitness at EVE
NO the only fleets that will be able to attack SOV are the ones LOCAL to the area they are attacking.... you have to get a different mind set. This sets the stage for "local" conflicts and local conflict drivers....
why would we deploy bombers when we can deploy our own local capital forces? ohh you brought subcaps to a carrier fight... too bad we are local..and we own the local force projection....you want to fight us.... well slow boat it here.... or wait maybe we set up 2 timers...and "jump fatigue bait" NOW COINED "JFB" your fleet somewhere local..and then we attack another timer..the options are endless...JFB will be huge tactic
you have to have a different mind set about this... we wont be deploying to the other side of eve for fights....we will be taking and holding local space....
and the enemy will have to decide what "LOCAL" space means to them. They wont be able to be everywhere in a blob... and the CFC alliances will most likely have to start and fight as an alliance not as a coalition..or while they are deployed helping one CFC member.....the local sharks will attack them and they cant respond cause they have "jump fatigue"
this is PURE GOLD for small groups that live locally, and fight locally IMO
more goon tears please ...I am on my second 5 gallon pail :)
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Scarlet Intelis
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
22
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:OK, I've been sitting in front of this thread for four and a half hours, I need to go home and feed myself and stuff. I'll try and check back in in an hour or two, but otherwise I'll see you all tomorrow!
That's exactly how everyone who will want to move stuff in game is going to feel after this change.
Ok, I've been sitting in front of this game for four and a half hours trying to move my stuff. I need to go to the kitchen to feed myself and stuff. I'll try to finish moving 30ly after I take a nap and deal with my other none Eve job tomorrow!
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Toriessian
Helion Production Labs Independent Operators Consortium
305
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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Jon Illat wrote: People have just become soft in the age of easy bridging. I welcome the return of freighter convoys, it'll give more conflict for all groups. NPSI BLOPs fleets will love to get wind of the convoys xD
That will be difficult for them since the mechanics change eviscerates black ops drops because every ship that takes a bridge gets a delay too.
After a single drop and return trip the fleet gets to go AFK for a bit. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
701
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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I see the jump fatigue being worked around by simply using a cyno pilot that is able to fly the ship jumping in. Now chain these pilots in disposable cloaked cyno ships and you end up with the same situation as before. |
flakeys
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2460
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Lyn Fel wrote:baltec1 wrote:They say in space nobody can hear you scream, however the sound we all just heard from PL as they were bent over and royally screwed was deafening. Actually, that was me. You have my sympathy. Hopefully JF will get bonuses that will cancel out these changes.
I agree , this should only hurt the fighting capitals and not the logistics teams.They allready have one of the most utterly boring jobs in eve , i'd rather mine then be part of a logistical wing and i REALLY hate mining.
If you leave out the JF's then at least the small guys will have a good way of getting their smallscale pvp stuff in place and the bigger guys have a way to go for those big wars in non capital ships as those will probably be left home a lot of the times with the new changes coming into affect.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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olan2005
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
85
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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quick thought do you think this will break the BOTLORD accords |
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Matches 42
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
14
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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Wow CCP...... just wow. I often wondered how long it would take you guys to murder this game, well done.... Welcome to Eve Unsubbed.
Funny, the big drivers of new subs have come from EPIC cap battles which will now never occur again thanks to you idiots nerfing literally everything that made it possible. Brilliant. CSM members supporting this on any level is evidence that the system has failed miserably. You all should be ashamed at yourselves for even considering that this is a productive idea......the moment you create an expansion that pleases wives and girlfriends of the acctual PAYING players is the day this game dies. Im horrified.
WTS 2 thannys, 1 archon, 1 rorq, 1 rhea and a Moros.
Assholes Im just gonna put the tip in, just for a moment, just to see how it feels....-á |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
54
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:29:00 -
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Okay now maybe i am to dumb to understand what this means for me... My masters degree in Organic Chemistry hopes this isnt the case... And i would like to start by saying i LIKE what you guys are doing or atleast attempting to do here.
Okay so say my carrier (a thanatos) is in Mai and i want to move it to Vehan. Now I am not in a major block and my carrier mainly exists because shiny" (and the first Clarion Call video). So near as i can work out, that would go up from being a 2 jump transit to 4 or 5 jumps (its a shade over 20au but there might be a different route). Okay i am with you so far.
Now As far as i can tell there is a hard cool down timer that says i need to wait a while between jumps, with a theoretical maximum of about 2 jumps before the multiplication just spirals out of control... But either my reading comprenhension is CRAP or its just not in there...
How long does jump fatigue take to completely decay? I mean i almost never use my carrier but this sounds like it just says "yeah about this jumping your carrier about to move your own junk... Thats no longer a thing." I get that big blocks need to be nerfed and i get that you cant give me a personal exception...
Anyone need a triage fitted thanatos? Since it seems it is now pointless for me to own one, even just for the shiney... |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2704
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:30:00 -
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What dafuq is this crap... I dont even... Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
ArmyOfMe
Origin. Black Legion.
330
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:30:00 -
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Alp Khan wrote:
"Implemented a plan to change EVE Online from a MMO game to a full-time job for players, crashed subscriptions numbers which resulted in EVE Online getting shut down."
So far the only thing that has crashed sub numbers in this game is caused by a giant blue donut..... But yeah, i guess goons feel the need to blame ccp for that one as well.
Not a single **** was given to the ammount of goon tears in here. QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken |
Willaev
KINGS OF EDEN Sev3rance
24
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:30:00 -
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How about no. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10254
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:31:00 -
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Bamboozlement wrote:Ncc 1709 wrote:Big alliances wont be screwed at all for power projection. youll just see a fleet of 250 nullified ceptors burning around going to a system where theres 250 fitted carriers waiting that's within a jump or two of the destination.
alliances already do this with cyno toons and they have the income these days to start setting up cache's of such ships.
bubble the station to stop them I hear. ceptors are bubble immune, and 250 carriers undocking and letting lose drones is enough to scare off most camps. What is pipe bombing ? lol Veers
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Thead Enco
Radio New Vegas
223
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:31:00 -
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Would love to see what the speculators are doing to the T2 market right about now.
-á"A Lannister always pays his debts."
-áTyrion Lannister |
cpu939
Eternal Darkness. Get Off My Lawn
66
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:31:00 -
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i wonder if this is so ccp can state their game is growing with all the new jf alt will need? |
JustSharkbait
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:31:00 -
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Once all the null sec changes are said and done EVE will either be alive and well and revived, or it will look like Star Wars Galaxies.
I am optimistic and excited for the changes, but after thinking about the implications I would caution CCP to proceed carefully and think really hard about it. Overall I think they are trying to do what is best, but good intentions can often a mess make.
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Nazri al Mahdi
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:31:00 -
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Tara Read wrote:As someone who remembers the days of freighter convoys, regional wars, 100 man battleship fights that were coordinated and maneuvered, the harsh unforgiving teeth gritting game that was Eve Online I finally, FINALLY have hope that CCP is breathing life anew into this game.
Eve is NOT your epeen meter. Eve is NOT about instant force projection, unabated losses without risk, rental empires without effort. Eve is supposed to BE harsh! So for all of you spoiled space brats crying that clawed to the top to sit fat and lazy upon your throne of untold billions and capital toys to only one day find that you don't control anything, that the environment and harshness of New Eden is coming back to kick you in the ass I say good riddance!
CCP don't you DARE back down or give into the kicking and screaming of those who are now afraid. Who's afraid? Star Citizen isn't scary at all! |
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