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Jen Moriarty
Snuff Box
44
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:21:00 -
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Good changes all across the board!
Only issue I have with the current changes is logistics. From what I remember from my days of nullsec shenanigans, I feel that the work of nullsec logistics is hard enough without having to penalize them with a limitation on JF range. Or was this change intentional to keep production in-house? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13476
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:21:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:
No place in eve is more than 6 or 7 jumps from Empire. If you're too dumb to probe a chain, you don't deserve nullspace.
Its not us that will have issues with this its the smaller alliances/corps that we are wanting to come out to null when CCP gets around to removing all of our dead systems. The outer sections of null space will wind up abandoned. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
xRyokenx
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
373
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:21:00 -
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Still **** you CCP and CSM.
I'll whole heartedly accept this change if you remove captains quarters and the NEX. Or bring walking in stations. Clearly the NEX idn't bringing in enough IRL ISK or you wouldn't be making a change so we have to train capital alts. xRyokenx http://goo.gl/i87dCH - I Want ISK. Just like Blink, but better! |
BlackMatrix
Irrational Tendencies SCUM.
1
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:21:00 -
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uziel99 wrote:Bnizzle wrote:I wonder if this will affect Black Frogs Prices? I wonder if they will even be in business.
I would think you'll just end up paying a premium price.
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Selexid
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:22:00 -
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For the Logistics crybabies: YOU CAN ONLY BUY IN JITA!!111111!!!
Not really. |
Nazri al Mahdi
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:24:00 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Brutus Crendraven wrote:Null Tears pour forth.
Let me grab a bucket to catch these null tears in the name of our lord BOB!
Just one final change needed the removal of local and everything will be as BOB intended. Question. How do you supply a small alliance on the outer edge of null with these changes to JF? Supply with what? Everything from ammo and minerals to battleships. They aren't going to do very well if you starve them of supplies. So the only option is to buy ammo, minerals and battleships from Jita and JF them to null? Ok.
Unless they introduce mineral alchemy, your non-Jita options consist of mining in empire or using a different market hub. All of which require jump freighters.
No one is taking a standard freighter from empire to Outer Passage unless there's an outpost egg inside, so don't even pretend that's an option. |
OldWolf69
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
160
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:24:00 -
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Caius Sivaris wrote:baltec1 wrote:Torgeir Hekard wrote:baltec1 wrote: How do you supply a small alliance on the outer edge of null with these changes to JF?
You blue whatever block that holds the slice of null going to empire. Forgive me but, isn't the whole point of these changes to reduce the blue blob? No place in eve is more than 6 or 7 jumps from Empire. If you're too dumb to probe a chain, you don't deserve nullspace. Would just love to see ya playing logoffski with a jf because the fatigue thing, despite your probing ability. |
Selexid
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:25:00 -
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Unless they introduce mineral alchemy, your non-Jita options consist of mining in empire or using a different market hub. All of which require jump freighters.
No one is taking a standard freighter from empire to Outer Passage unless there's an outpost egg inside, so don't even pretend that's an option.[/quote]
Maybe built and *GASP* mine LOCALLY!
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Ruffio Sepico
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
65
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:26:00 -
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As someone who been building, selling and delivering caps to clients. These changes would be a major pain. Would it be possible to allow caps free travel through high sec with offensive abilities disabled while in high sec? As they will be allowed gate to gate travel in low/null anyways.
To avoid have people camp low sec side of a gate for so bail back to high sec with caps. Just make combat timers for caps much longer for the sake of be allowed jump back to high sec.
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galaxyexpress999
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:27:00 -
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Unless they introduce mineral alchemy, your non-Jita options consist of mining in empire or using a different market hub. All of which require jump freighters.
No one is taking a standard freighter from empire to Outer Passage unless there's an outpost egg inside, so don't even pretend that's an option.[/quote]
Maybe built and *GASP* mine LOCALLY! [/quote]
i thought certain alliance already have industry and mining corps ... (at least mine used to) maybe they will gain some respact finally ? (doubt it tho) |
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Carniflex
StarHunt Mordus Angels
292
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:28:00 -
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Sym Biotic wrote:"After waiting for 23.5 minutes at the convenient local station, his fatigue is down to 119.79. He jumps again, to 2R-CRW GÇô 4.9 LY. At this point his cooldown timer is 2 hours 2 minutes 8 seconds, and his fatigue is 706.74. At this point his total distance travelled is 17.51 LY, leaving him with 37.04 LY to go. He looks at his map, and finds a 40-route jump through nullsec to get to the same destination, and figuring two minutes per system, his warp travel time for the whole journey is a bit over half the cooldown for his next jump. He decides to fly there directly rather than trying to jump any further."
I love how you got so bored, in the what 10 mins it took writing this example of hours worth of cool downs, that they quit half way. I completely understand how you would hate to spend any longer doing something that does not bring you joy such as writing this example or idk station spinning waiting for a poorly (wanted to use different words but my wife convinced me otherwise) conceived cool down timers.
Back in 2006 or 2007 when warp to zero bookmarks were getting to be a problem and CCP decided to do something about "it" I figured out that I am not paying my subscription to watch gate getting slowly closer. That bullet missed me with the warp to zero ofc.
So i'll see how this thing turns out. But I am not going to pay my sub for watching a gate getting slowly closer, or even worse, marveling at the new cloak animation waiting for a cool-down to run out for the next 6h and 37 minutes. I'm not going to outright quit in emo fit over these announced changes although I will drop about three covert cyno accounts for a start as I will not be needing these.
At the same time I'm not convinced that these changes really remove power projection in effective manner. We'll see.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Nazri al Mahdi
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
40
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:28:00 -
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Selexid wrote: Maybe built and *GASP* mine LOCALLY!
This is like the ignorance version of whack-a-mole. Nullsec is all but missing a couple minerals found in pretty much everything you would ever want to build. Importing is the only option.
You see, in EVE, resources are distributed regionally. This requires trade. Trade which is becoming impossible. |
yogizh
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
19
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:29:00 -
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I wonder what is going to be nerfed when we take The Forge. The change was needed, but this is just a spit in the face to people who invested into training the big things. Jump distance nerf, ok whatever, but that fatique... what is the logic in that ? Anyone can jump 200 gates in a row, but suddenly a carrier jump makes you fatiqued ? Based on what ? Isotope radiation poisoning ? Bad food ? Space getting thicker ?
You guys really need to set up guidelines for space physics and hold on to them. |
Marc Durant
162
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kinizsi wrote:I love the idea CCP
We'll see how it would end up.
Null tears a logistics freakouts... there was life in 0.0 before jump bridges and jump freighters and titan bridges. I remember the freighter convoy fleets...... and it was fun. We'll adapt as we did so many times before. It would be harder, but it would me much much more fun than it is today. That was then, freighter convoys simply won't work today.
Why not, because it won't be able to keep the status quo? That's the point!
Btw, I love how all the 0.0 sock puppet alts are whining like mad atm, this thread is a day old and close to 140 pages. It's hilarious. Yes, yes-áI am. Thanks for noticing.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13477
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:29:00 -
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Selexid wrote:
Maybe built and *GASP* mine LOCALLY!
Not even we have enough members to mine the minerals needed locally and you cant get things like faction ammo and the large amounts of named mods out here.
Then we have the fact that near all of high secs T2 mats are imported from null. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
ALI Virgo
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:30:00 -
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instead of changing things why don't you make more ship types, missions and anom types. you guys going to kill eve.... |
javer
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:30:00 -
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congratulations ccp you just had 4 less paying accounts to your name and keep on sticking your head into the excrement and you can have 0 paying customers at the end |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13477
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:30:00 -
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Marc Durant wrote:
Why not, because it won't be able to keep the status quo? That's the point!
Btw, I love how all the 0.0 sock puppet alts are whining like mad atm, this thread is a day old and close to 140 pages. It's hilarious.
Feel free to try to get a freighter from high sec to to outer edges of null through hostile space. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
ALI Virgo
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
91
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:31:00 -
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may be its time to play other games |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Ixtab.
1884
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:33:00 -
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Will supers and titans be able to dock after this change? +1 |
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yogizh
Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team
19
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:33:00 -
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Page 138 snypa |
Phillips Helljumper
Lazerhawks
13
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:33:00 -
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Love these changes. If you cant adapt to these changes move to high sec and sell all your caps.
If you cant defend your 5 regions with a cap blob dumb off some space you have too much. There is already a loop hole to this its called titans. And god forbid you have to use a sub cap fleet to fight with while your 300 carriers slow jump gates\cynos.
Stop making threats that your going to unsub we know your not and if you really want too, just contract your stuff to me ill make good use of it.
All this means is you now have to plan out and pre station caps near a timer or fight, sorry you cant drop that fleet from 4 regions away.
The reason so many of you dislike this is it might cause you to have to think and plan how you will get caps into a fight, and you might have to risk a few things to get them there. Also nothing is set in stone and this is a dev blog not the patch notes so wait till it goes through testing and discussion before you blow a gasket and fire sale all your things.
Wspace got their nurf and we still are still around and have adapted, your play null sec o7 |
Kinizsi
FREE GATES Nulli Secunda
3
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:33:00 -
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javer wrote:congratulations ccp you just had 4 less paying accounts to your name and keep on sticking your head into the excrement and you can have 0 paying customers at the end
Can I have your stuff? |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2809
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:33:00 -
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This thread makes one thing very clear: there's no change that wouldn't make baltec1 go "meh, we already adapted to it" :) Invalid signature format |
Jamir Von Lietuva
The Suicide Kings Black Legion.
25
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:34:00 -
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Here is an idea,
Introduce mass into the jump fatigue equation?
I think everyone agrees that current numbers are a bit over the top
Loving the ideas behind the changes |
Stoffl
Snuff Box
33
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:34:00 -
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I want to break free I want to break free I want to break free from your lies You're so self satisfied I don't need you I've got to break free God knows, God knows I want to break free.
I've fallen in love I've fallen in love for the first time And this time I know it's for real I've fallen in love, yeah God knows, God knows I've fallen in love.
It's strange but it's true I can't get over the way you love me like you do But I have to be sure When I walk out that door Oh how I want to be free, Baby Oh how I want to be free, Oh how I want to break free.
But life still goes on I can't get used to, living without, living without, Living without you by my side I don't want to live alone, hey God knows, got to make it on my own So baby can't you see I've got to break free.
I've got to break free I want to break free, Yeah I want, I want, I want, I want to break free |
Oylmpia
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:34:00 -
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The stackable penalty is silly, it should have a hard limit at least (for idiots), and the formula seriously needs some help. Even better would just be a fixed cooldown instead of this madness.
What is the point of nerfing jump bridges too? When asking for death to all supers, no one asked death to JB's.
.. Just keeping the threadnaught going. |
Slapmeandcallme kalapuikko
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:34:00 -
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Can you refund all the cap related sp on all of my accounts pls?
No, you cant have my caps they will be reprocessed and made into subcaps. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
1080
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:35:00 -
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I posted reasonable balance bac on page 129. Why not read that and support that? |
Dave Stark
7020
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Posted - 2014.10.02 07:35:00 -
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Selexid wrote:
Unless they introduce mineral alchemy, your non-Jita options consist of mining in empire or using a different market hub. All of which require jump freighters.
No one is taking a standard freighter from empire to Outer Passage unless there's an outpost egg inside, so don't even pretend that's an option.
Maybe built and *GASP* mine LOCALLY! [/quote]
then what do you do with the surplus of certain types of minerals that you don't use? oh right yeah, jump freighter the to empire... |
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