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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
352
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Posted - 2011.11.25 13:03:00 -
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I've been monitoring the graphs on eve-offline.net for a while now, and i did notice a decrease in subscriptions if compared with the same period last year, for the past two months. Generally even expansions that are not that "expected", like incursion last year, see an increase on the subscription numbers on the weeks prior to its release.
However here we are less than a week away from one of the most anticipated expansions since Trinity and the server has had trouble getting past 40k players online for the past two weeks. Mind you, this is keeping with the trend that we've seen since the release of the Incarna expansion.
So i've been wanting to ask. How many of you are waiting for the exp to hit live before resubbing alts, know people that are waiting to resub his or hers accounts or simply no longer can afford to have alts because of the current PLEX prices? Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2011.11.25 13:21:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:I've been monitoring the graphs on eve-offline.net for a while now, and i did notice a decrease in subscriptions if compared with the same period last year, for the past two months. Generally even expansions that are not that "expected", like incursion last year, see an increase on the subscription numbers on the weeks prior to its release.
However here we are less than a week away from one of the most anticipated expansions since Trinity and the server has had trouble getting past 40k players online for the past two weeks. Mind you, this is keeping with the trend that we've seen since the release of the Incarna expansion.
So i've been wanting to ask. How many of you are waiting for the exp to hit live before resubbing alts, know people that are waiting to resub his or hers accounts or simply no longer can afford to have alts because of the current PLEX prices?
Isnt that Incarnas fault... if they released Incarna EXPANSION and no only one room there would be boooom...
And about alts and other players... i know few guys with 15 accounts together that are waiting something done to industry and time when mining will worth something... |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
387
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Posted - 2011.11.25 13:34:00 -
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In the past month I can count 9 separate peaks over 40k players. 9 > 0 Welp, there goes the main point of your post, OP. Sorry. |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
17
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Posted - 2011.11.25 13:39:00 -
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Skyrim.....
I am subbed on 2 accounts, but not logging in much. Waiting to see what Winter will bring!
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2011.11.25 13:50:00 -
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Well I did resub for Crucible so there is that. I'd need someone else to read the graphs because I can't follow them, but aren't there generally bigger bumps for the summer expansions? This period has a lot of things competing for people's time -Thanksgiving and saving up for Christmas -School/college and getting ready for exams -Big name game releases Whereas for the summer expansion people have a lot more time to fill with internet spaceship activity. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1654
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Posted - 2011.11.25 14:03:00 -
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It has already begun to recover from the winter releases.
That's the eve-offline data presented in a more comparable format GÇö weekday by weekday, and only the daily PCUs GÇö to get rid of some of the noise you get from Chribba's full-data formatting. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Pavel Bidermann
whips chains and ballgags Care Factor
3
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Posted - 2011.11.25 14:22:00 -
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tbh, I have resubbed through the winter patch. However, I don't see it fixing the greater problems involving the scap blob or the bloated coalition NAP/NIP involving 85%+ of null sec. Until those things are actually addressed I don't see how the game will improve. So I'm watching to see if I'll stay subbed or not.
The scaps need a radical nerf and then balanced upward in order to try to fix the fact that CCP waited too long to work on ship balance. Tier 3 bc's won't change that nor will the current scap nerf. Too little, too late.
The giant NAP/NIP that's consumed null has to be broken because it destroys the ability for players to set or achieve goals. Without the idea that you can do something more in the game there is little reason to log in. Without the conflict the game world stops functioning. Sure, the big alliances may have "wars" with each orher but the non-invasion mentality means th wars are actually just tornaments without purpose and thus without interest. Without these conflicts the market stagnates and the game dries up and dies.
There must always be a new horizon to reach for. The idea of having to rent that horizon from an alliance is a poor alternative and crushes drive. The fact that no matter what you might achieve, an unstoppable "I win" scap blob full of bored pilots will sweep it away at will also destroys player drive. EVE becomes finite without those 2 problems being addressed ruthlesssly because they blot out goal setting/achievement. End game but nobody actually wins. |
Nyio
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
269
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Posted - 2011.11.25 14:24:00 -
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That's the nicest looking graph I've seen, even I can understand that. F&ID: Skill Training, Agent Finder What is CCP Guard gonna do with that grenade? |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
193
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Posted - 2011.11.25 14:32:00 -
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Renan, there's also the big game releases that a lot of gamers are playing in favour of anything else. I can think of Skyrim and Battlefield 3. I know there's at least one other big title.
o/
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
185
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:04:00 -
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OP I couldn't find the words 'EVE is dead" anywhere in your post. Son I am disappoint. |
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Joe Skellington
Scientific Nano Technologies Institute BLACK-MARK
29
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:08:00 -
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I saw two Tumbleweeds this weekend, and thank god I drive a VW, the steering works like a champ when Deer stand in front of you on the road while you're going 50mph. -á-á |\_/|-á -á/ @ @ \ -á-á -á( > -¦ < )-á -á`-+-+x-½-½-¦ -á-á / O \ |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
352
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Posted - 2011.11.25 16:07:00 -
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Thorn Galen wrote:Renan, there's also the big game releases that a lot of gamers are playing in favour of anything else. I can think of Skyrim and Battlefield 3. I know there's at least one other big title.
o/
Saints Row The Third ^^ Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
324
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Posted - 2011.11.25 16:50:00 -
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So many things are being tweaked that the "vets" know to give it a week to sort itself out, so about a week after Crucible, you'll see the numbers rise again.
Also there were so substantial losses of players, iirc 8% or so, that doesn't come back instantly because Helmar said "oops". CCP already dropped 2 long time issues of players, Factional Warfare and AF 4th, so it does look like business as usual to many.
If CCP really wanted to NOT be CCP, they'd put out a devblog of WHAT they said would happen and is NOT happening and WHY.
They won't though because good press is all they want, even though CCP Pann is now gone, they still do it her way. Let us eat cake! -áI mean open containers in corp hangers please ... Let us stack all modules (eliminate repackaging), except damaged ones, give them a red hue/icon. Let us see damaged drones in our drone bay!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
982
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Posted - 2011.11.25 18:34:00 -
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Help me make my graphs look that nice? EVE-Offline looks like crap...
/c
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1658
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Posted - 2011.11.25 18:43:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Help me make my graphs look that nice? EVE-Offline looks like crap...
/c That's ok GÇö the xslt I use to convert that graph data into CSV looks like crap too because I couldn't be bothered to think about how to do it intelligentlyGǪ brute-force ftw
As for the graph, that's just Excel 2011 fed with said CSV files.
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
InVictus Kell
The Scope Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2011.11.25 18:58:00 -
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its killer video game season: Skyirm, Sants Row the Third, Batman, Arkham Asalym, MW3, BF3, plus some seriously excellent sales on Steam for other ttles.
we need moar than 24 hours in a day and a drug that keeps me awake longer than *******! |
Martyr Theos
The NecroMonger Faith
25
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:07:00 -
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I know two people who are selling down assets for isk to pay for PLEX to continue playing as long as that lasts. After that, we are outta here. Eve is done. Stick a fork in it. |
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
255
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:36:00 -
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Lets see.
Skyrim Serious sam 3 BF 3 MW 3. Saints row 3
Anything on sale during steams super sale this weekend.
Of course server pop is low, there are a ton of games that just came out. |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
140
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:48:00 -
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500+ million PLEX will do that |
baltec1
205
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:50:00 -
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I have been spending far too much time blowing up CCP on BF3 and minecraft just went 1.0 so now I have even less time |
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Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:55:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote:I've been monitoring the graphs on eve-offline.net for a while now, and i did notice a decrease in subscriptions if compared with the same period last year, for the past two months. Generally even expansions that are not that "expected", like incursion last year, see an increase on the subscription numbers on the weeks prior to its release.
However here we are less than a week away from one of the most anticipated expansions since Trinity and the server has had trouble getting past 40k players online for the past two weeks. Mind you, this is keeping with the trend that we've seen since the release of the Incarna expansion.
So i've been wanting to ask. How many of you are waiting for the exp to hit live before resubbing alts, know people that are waiting to resub his or hers accounts or simply no longer can afford to have alts because of the current PLEX prices?
I still have this and another character subbed just haven't been logging on but to switch skills and such. Been playing Skyrim obsessively until crucible comes out. |
Embrace My Hate
Black Horizon. Test Friends Please Ignore
48
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:57:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:tbh, I have resubbed through the winter patch. However, I don't see it fixing the greater problems involving the scap blob or the bloated coalition NAP/NIP involving 85%+ of null sec. Until those things are actually addressed I don't see how the game will improve. So I'm watching to see if I'll stay subbed or not.
The scaps need a radical nerf and then balanced upward in order to try to fix the fact that CCP waited too long to work on ship balance. Tier 3 bc's won't change that nor will the current scap nerf. Too little, too late.
The giant NAP/NIP that's consumed null has to be broken because it destroys the ability for players to set or achieve goals. Without the idea that you can do something more in the game there is little reason to log in. Without the conflict the game world stops functioning. Sure, the big alliances may have "wars" with each orher but the non-invasion mentality means th wars are actually just tornaments without purpose and thus without interest. Without these conflicts the market stagnates and the game dries up and dies.
There must always be a new horizon to reach for. The idea of having to rent that horizon from an alliance is a poor alternative and crushes drive. The fact that no matter what you might achieve, an unstoppable "I win" scap blob full of bored pilots will sweep it away at will also destroys player drive. EVE becomes finite without those 2 problems being addressed ruthlesssly because they blot out goal setting/achievement. End game but nobody actually wins.
You sir, 'get' EVE +1 |
Opertone
Signal 7
17
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:04:00 -
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Renan Ruivo wrote: How many of you are waiting for the exp to hit live before resubbing alts, know people that are waiting to resub his or hers accounts or simply no longer can afford to have alts because of the current PLEX prices?
FU Morons who conceived free to play initiative. First, you are totally wrong. Eve is pay to play. Forget about ISK farming and plex. It's not meant for general public. You can't fund your accounts off that, else you need to resort to cheating and macro botting.
Skyrim, Battlefield 3, COD MW 3 and other titles are being released. Then there is Xbox and PS3. They draw the player base away. Over 7 years a lot of thing changes in a person's life, not many can remain active and keep all their accounts, because Eve is a lasting experience, not for casual player.
CCP had done a lot of bad decisions before they faced some solvency problems. They funded 3 other weird projects and diverted a lot of resources from EvE. It made the player base mad, some rage quit. Today CCP hurry to fix things up, so they give "phat" promises with winter expansion. They try to recover from their mistakes and apology before subscribers. |
Takseen
University of Caille Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:29:00 -
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Opertone wrote: FU Morons who conceived free to play initiative. First, you are totally wrong. Eve is pay to play. Forget about ISK farming and plex. It's not meant for general public. You can't fund your accounts off that, else you need to resort to cheating and macro botting.
Why does everyone who complains about "unfairly" high plex prices always mention trying to maintain multiple accounts? |
Terminal Insanity
Convex Enterprises The Silent One's
140
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Posted - 2011.11.25 23:06:00 -
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Takseen wrote:Opertone wrote: FU Morons who conceived free to play initiative. First, you are totally wrong. Eve is pay to play. Forget about ISK farming and plex. It's not meant for general public. You can't fund your accounts off that, else you need to resort to cheating and macro botting.
Why does everyone who complains about "unfairly" high plex prices always mention trying to maintain multiple accounts? Because those are the people who BUY PLEX... Most single-account users dont use plex.
Further, the game basically requires at least 2 accounts, if you want to start flying capitals (and especially supers) |
Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
354
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Posted - 2011.11.25 23:21:00 -
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So let's see..
Skyrim Serious Sam 3 BF3 MW3 Minecraft Saints Row 3 PLEX prices stale null-sec ISK inflation because of incursions Some bitterness left for the 3 years that CCP didn't 'cared' about EVE.
Jokes aside those all sound like valid reasons. Well, the novelty of those games will pass.. null-sec might see some changes since supers wont be the H-Bombs they have been so far, anomaly changes might put a little more money on the average grunt's pocket..
TBH though, i think that someone has pointed out in the past that Crucible really won't be the be-all-end-all expansion. It will set a standard, sure, but i do believe that the place where CCP really needs to shine is with the summer expansion. Putting a good expansion although not common, is not surprising.. since they did it before with Apocrypha. However, putting two or more good expansions in a row will go a long.. loong way in earning not only the trust of lost players again, but will result in good publicity from those players that might gain a renewed love for the game. And that will bring more subscribers.
As some here have pointed out, there are still issues that won't be adressed in this expansion. CCP knows which issues those are, so they pretty much already have a good portion of the game plan laid out for them. So i really hope they give more love for the summer exp than they have for Crucible. Rated ARG for Pirates. **** you. |
Jita Alt666
575
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Posted - 2011.11.26 00:42:00 -
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1. Subs =/= concurrent users. I have resubbed 5 alts since crucible details came out. 4 out of the 5 are only training skills til l there is something to fight over. They will appear in CCP's bottom line but not online.
2. November 2011 has had a number of new games released that all will impact on online users but not necessarily on active account numbers.
3. Trust is easy to destroy and hard to rebuild. Some players I know and communicate with regularly are waiting for proof that CCP are ;prepared to deliver before forking out the bucks.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
1668
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Posted - 2011.11.26 00:50:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Subs =/= concurrent users. No, but they've been pretty much completely correlated for the entirety of EVE history so one is a sufficiently reliable indicator of another if you look at (maybe) weekly or (definitely) monthly averages. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
104
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Posted - 2011.11.26 01:18:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Chribba wrote:Help me make my graphs look that nice? EVE-Offline looks like crap...
/c That's ok GÇö the xslt I use to convert that graph data into CSV looks like crap too because I couldn't be bothered to think about how to do it intelligentlyGǪ brute-force ftw As for the graph, that's just Excel 2011 fed with said CSV files.
You can feed CSVs to the MS Graph wizard as a COM object via ASP or ASP.NET. Can use an XML transform to scrub the data, may have to build that part. Worst case you can use biz server to run it, use an MSDN copy or something.
Oh, and save the graph as a PDF for display, print to PDF etc, from Excel COM. Think there are some print to JPG and print to PNG drivers out there too, but they're not MS products. |
Tore Vest
Vikinghall
72
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Posted - 2011.11.26 01:25:00 -
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Unsubed all my acounts.... 30% into Skyrim |
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