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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
640
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Posted - 2014.10.03 06:27:00 -
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is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders? -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
3507
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Posted - 2014.10.03 06:29:00 -
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Anyone can. http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif =ƒÿü |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
640
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Posted - 2014.10.03 06:32:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:Anyone can. heh, I gathered that but I was wondering if one already exists.. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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dark heartt
507
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Posted - 2014.10.03 06:35:00 -
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No one is safe from ganking, and by buying a "permit", all you are doing is protecting yourself from one group of people who gank. That's all.
As for groups who aggressively gank those who do buy permits, I'm sure they exist, but I've never heard of a specific group. http://tetrisisunrealistic.blogspot.com.au/ Just an Aussie with a mining laser and too much time.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
304
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Posted - 2014.10.03 06:48:00 -
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I meet at least one every week who claims he ganks or will gank only permit holders. Their killboards where all empty so far.
Since we gank permit holders if they don't follow the Code, we are probably the group you are looking for after all the Code ALWAYS wins |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1521
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Posted - 2014.10.03 06:53:00 -
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A-G's permit-holder-killer force is almost on a par with their anti-ganking force. Genuinely.
They also have deep and insightful debates on the morality of shooting spaceships in a shooting spaceships game. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10305
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Posted - 2014.10.03 07:37:00 -
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yeah. dont waste your time with a permit. Just be smart. these people are hypocrite carebears only anyway.
other people will come and kill you for that permit, especially as you speak up openly about buying one.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
80
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Posted - 2014.10.03 07:51:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders?
No, there is no evidence that an organized effort to gank permit holders exists. There has been some impotent bluster from the usual places, but in the end there has been no discernible action by any group.
Are you thinking of starting one, or just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because if it is the later I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. The monetary amount is a fraction of what even one ship loss will cost you, plus the chances of a running into a New Order ganker while mining bareback (i.e. without a permit) are orders of magnitude higher than being found by some (mythical?) anti-New Order gank squad.
If you are planning on starting some sort of a permit-gank organization, please let us know so we can follow your progress. Personally, I love emergent gameplay like this - it is way more entertaining than the usual pouting and whining you get from most of the A-G folks. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5467
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Posted - 2014.10.03 08:02:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Since we gank permit holders if they don't follow the Code, we are probably the group you are looking for after all
The Code wrote:Upon being suicide ganked, a miner should congratulate the ganker on his success. A "good fight" or "gf" in local is customary.
Of course, I'll leave it up to the reader to figure out how the New Order enforcer will determine whether or not the code-subscribed miner is compliant with that portion of the code. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2014.10.03 08:23:00 -
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I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10310
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Posted - 2014.10.03 08:34:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. That's most likely still far less, though, than all the new players who get griefed by assholes in rookie corps, being told to mine, run missions, avoid lowsec because it's a deathtrap.
Basically being told to play solo ... which is the most disconnected thing from the game. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1523
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Posted - 2014.10.03 08:35:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. I wonder how many new players, not having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
304
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Posted - 2014.10.03 08:43:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. If you quit a game about exploding spaceship because your spaceship exploded then the game wasn't probably for you.
It's like asking: How many Dust players quit Dust because they did not like to die by gunfire? the Code ALWAYS wins |
Lady Areola Fappington
2276
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Posted - 2014.10.03 08:45:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few.
It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . --CCP Soundwave
Getting blown up is a fundamental part of EVE. If getting blown up is enough to cause you to quit, well....See above. And below! It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave |
MajorBean
Mystic Methheads
54
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Posted - 2014.10.03 09:10:00 -
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The CODE is love i say, The CODE is live. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5678
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Posted - 2014.10.03 09:15:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders?
I have heard of a grand total of two players that do this. However, it is highly likely that there are many more that might gank you without one. Please reduce the odds that you'll get ganked by getting a permit and complying with the New Halaima Code of Conduct. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Hiasa Kite
Republic University Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2014.10.03 09:21:00 -
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There might be a couple of people that do it, but there are far more people that kill non-compliant miners.
Just an FYI, you're never safe. Don't go thinking that simply coughing up 10M ISK will help in that regard. You'll need to pay 10M and stick to the Code if you want the best chance of survival. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4777
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Posted - 2014.10.03 09:38:00 -
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I wonder how many new players, even got the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to check.
Probably only a few. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5678
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Posted - 2014.10.03 09:46:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I wonder how many new players, even got the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to check.
Probably only a few.
I wonder how many new players have ended up in CODE
CODEception!!! GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Axel Sonen
0
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:14:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders?
CODE. |
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Lug Muad'Dib
Wise Humans Sword
5
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:16:00 -
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Anyway CODE members will still gank you, permit or not.
Best for you is to find a quiet 0.5 system, don't fly a notank barge, ask friend to pop concord npc in belt, and most important watch local sometimes. |
Blizam
Xoth Inc Usurper.
3
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:20:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:
If you quit a game about exploding spaceship because your spaceship exploded then the game wasn't probably for you.
lol that's actually quite accurate |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10311
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:26:00 -
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Miners should just spread the message and end this war once and for all.
A war that can not be won ... ... can still be ended by removing the battlefield. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
23758
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:35:00 -
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if I gank, I gank anyone and everyone that I deem gankable.
CODE are scrubs.
Also: Sole, you look normal. are you feeling alright? Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10311
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:41:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:if I gank, I gank anyone and everyone that I deem gankable.
CODE are scrubs.
Also: Sole, you look normal. are you feeling alright? Hey that sounds like me. xD
I'm feeling blue. Hahahahaha. Mom's waiting for the ambulance. Grandma again.
How she even managed to stay alive over all these months is a mystery.
Her body releases water on a dangerous level. Kidneys.
Yeah I don't give a **** about telling this, you asked me if I was alright.
For days now it was obvious she'll get back to hospital, no wonder I pissed off half a dozen people again. ^_^
Lalalala .......... nah I'm not alright, thanks for asking. :) I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Eyrun Mangeiri
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
28
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:43:00 -
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dark heartt wrote:No one is safe from ganking, and by buying a "permit", all you are doing is protecting yourself from one group of people who gank. That's all.
As for groups who aggressively gank those who do buy permits, I'm sure they exist, but I've never heard of a specific group.
With a permit you still have to follow the Code. When you are playing like a bot a permit won't help. I can see what you see not - vision milky then eyes rot. When you turn they will be gone - whispering their hidden song. |
Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
23758
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Posted - 2014.10.03 11:45:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Lalalala .......... nah I'm not alright, thanks for asking. :)
Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
224
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Posted - 2014.10.03 12:39:00 -
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Lug Muad'Dib wrote:Anyway CODE members will still gank you, permit or not..
Other supporters of the New Order will gank you too. But then, if you were following that CODE you would be safer from being ganked.
Liafcipe9000 wrote:if I gank, I gank anyone and everyone that I deem gankable.
CODE are scrubs.
If miners actually follow the CODE then your job will be harder! Is this why you deem them scrubs? It may not seem so at first sight, but the CODE is there to protect the miners from the dangers of bot-aspirancy
You might benefit from considering the bigger picture before you assign immature names to the members of this noble movement. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10315
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Posted - 2014.10.03 12:41:00 -
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lol the bigger picture.
He was there when "the bigger picture" was in the early days, you scrub. You have no idea what the "bigger picture" even is. lol
Sheep ...... sheesh. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
224
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Posted - 2014.10.03 12:54:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:lol the bigger picture.
He was there when "the bigger picture" was in the early days, you scrub. You have no idea what the "bigger picture" even is. lol
Sheep ...... sheesh.
Congratulations on completely missing the point of my post!
[edit] oh and sorry to hear about your personal issues |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10317
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Posted - 2014.10.03 13:05:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Solecist Project wrote:lol the bigger picture.
He was there when "the bigger picture" was in the early days, you scrub. You have no idea what the "bigger picture" even is. lol
Sheep ...... sheesh. Congratulations on completely missing the point of my post! lol ....
*sighs* wished my master was still here .......
(thanks :) I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6199
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Posted - 2014.10.03 13:12:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders?
I have only my own anecdotal evidence based on my one miner to draw on but I'd say no. I have mined multiple billions of isk of ore and ice while AFK. No permit.
Out of the 10 or so gank attempts, one was successful, none were CODE corps and the rest were randoms looking for easy tears. So I'd think that even if you were stupid enough to buy a permit, you would still get ganked more often than not. Dedicated permit gankers or not, the end result is a permit amounts to no protection of any kind.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:01:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. If you quit a game about exploding spaceship because your spaceship exploded then the game wasn't probably for you.
Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
306
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:17:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:lol the bigger picture.
He was there when "the bigger picture" was in the early days, you scrub. You have no idea what the "bigger picture" even is. lol
Sheep ...... sheesh. Renegade Heart is getting "the bigger picture" better than you ever will. There are some people who just lack the social skills or the required amount of good humor to understand what we are all about, like Beers Veldspar or you, no offense.
But never mind, rage at me babe, I like it when you call me a noob the Code ALWAYS wins |
Lady Areola Fappington
2276
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:17:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:
Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others.
Conflict, within the bounds of the sandbox, is one of the most important concepts in EVE Online. Design decisions for the game are based on the idea of "will this encourage more conflict?"
If you cannot handle the most obvious representation of conflict (spaceships exploding), you are playing the wrong game. It's totally fine to lose customers who fundamentally disagree with your design decisions in a MMOG, and quite frankly, it makes the game stronger when they leave.
PVE exists in EVE for a reason, and that reason is to encourage more chances for player conflict. PVE is the "bait" to get you to take risks that may result in PVP. It isn't really hard, but I think there are customers that you can lose in a good way and there's customers that you can lose in a bad way. If people come in and fundamentally don't like EVE Online, then I think that might be a good way of losing customers. . -á--CCP Soundwave |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
306
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:20:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. If you quit a game about exploding spaceship because your spaceship exploded then the game wasn't probably for you. Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others. Yeah, it's part of the spaceship part of the game. If you undock a spaceship there is always a chance it explodes. If you don't like exploding spaceships you should just stay docked, that's where the part with no exploding spaceships happens. the Code ALWAYS wins |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
226
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:32:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others.
This is the fundamental aspect of the universe. Without this aspect, the others would not exist!
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Cidanel Afuran
Astro Technologies Apocalypse Now.
42
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:35:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders? I have only my own anecdotal evidence based on my one miner to draw on but I'd say no. I have mined multiple billions of isk of ore and ice while AFK. No permit. Out of the 10 or so gank attempts, one was successful, none were CODE corps and the rest were randoms looking for easy tears. So I'd think that even if you were stupid enough to buy a permit, you would still get ganked more often than not. Dedicated permit gankers or not, the end result is a permit amounts to no protection of any kind. Mr Epeen
This.
Buying a permit just gets you laughed at, it doesn't save you from being ganked. |
Desimus Maximus
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
94
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:37:00 -
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The answer is simple. Just f***ing tank your ship properly. Shield extender rigs, shield extender mod, an invuln.. maybe shield booster. Would you rather save a few seconds per cycle or keep your 200m ISK ship? Would you rather have 100 extra M3 or lose your 200m ISK ship?
TANK YOUR F***ING SHIP, and CODE. will go away overnight.
TANKING is your MINING PERMIT, and CONCORD will see that this permit is superior to CODE. permits. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6203
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:38:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others. This is the fundamental aspect of the universe. Without this aspect, the others would not exist!
Destruction is indeed a fundamental aspect of the universe. But it's no more or less important than the other two that everyone seems to forget to mention.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:39:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others. This is the fundamental aspect of the universe. Without this aspect, the others would not exist!
There's no debate here but that's not the point really is it. Eve is unbalanced, not between competing entities who both want to explode spaceships, but between those who do and those who don't, especially given that both are necessary in their fields (sociopathy and industry respectively). |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
227
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:43:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others. This is the fundamental aspect of the universe. Without this aspect, the others would not exist! There's no debate here but that's not the point really is it. Eve is unbalanced, not between competing entities who both want to explode spaceships, but between those who do and those who don't, especially given that both are necessary in their fields (sociopathy and industry respectively).
If you are going to equate sociopathy with gaming then our debate is pointless. |
Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
37
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Posted - 2014.10.03 14:54:00 -
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Renegade Heart wrote: If you are going to equate sociopathy with gaming then our debate is pointless.
I was joking. Also no, I don't think I was writing about "gaming", only blowing up miners in high sec. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
307
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:03:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others. This is the fundamental aspect of the universe. Without this aspect, the others would not exist! There's no debate here but that's not the point really is it. Eve is unbalanced, not between competing entities who both want to explode spaceships, but between those who do and those who don't, especially given that both are necessary in their fields (sociopathy and industry respectively).
Do you really think it is ok to suggest someone has a mental disorder that usually requires heavy medication or the removal of that person from society over exploding spaceships? Are you serious? the Code ALWAYS wins |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
307
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:04:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:Renegade Heart wrote: If you are going to equate sociopathy with gaming then our debate is pointless.
I was joking. Also no, I don't think I was writing about "gaming", only blowing up miners in high sec. Have a report anyway the Code ALWAYS wins |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
227
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:04:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:Renegade Heart wrote: If you are going to equate sociopathy with gaming then our debate is pointless.
I was joking. Also no, I don't think I was writing about "gaming", only blowing up miners in high sec.
Sarcasm on the internet
As someone who likes to blow up things in high sec I get called a lot of names, and normally it doesn't seem like they are joking. I like playing a bad guy in a dark universe. Just a game to me.
dat thread derail though |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1527
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:07:00 -
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Ms Forum Alt wrote:Eve is unbalanced, not between competing entities who both want to explode spaceships, but between those who do and those who don't True, but CODE. fights on fearlessly in the face of themeparkistanisationism. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Samwise Everquest
Run and Gun Mercenary Corps
97
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:24:00 -
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I target miners who don't purchase a permit to have a permit. |
Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
190
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:33:00 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. If you quit a game about exploding spaceship because your spaceship exploded then the game wasn't probably for you. It's like asking: How many Dust players quit Dust because they did not like to die by gunfire? Because CODE victims quit over their spaceship exploding. Not over having some autist attempt to extract tears out of them for 30 minutes, calling it "roleplaying".
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John E Normus
New Order Logistics CODE.
207
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Posted - 2014.10.03 15:35:00 -
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OP, the last group that was serious about ganking our permit holders were the New Order Death Dealers. They were very enthusiastic but needed a little bit of guidance. James 315 sent me to teach them to be better gankers. In time they joined the CODE. alliance and became an outstanding ganking corp.
As far as I know there are currently no groups specifically targeting our permit holders. I'll ask around and send you a mail. Between Ignorance and Wisdom |
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
9
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Posted - 2014.10.03 16:22:00 -
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Hello everybody, sorry I'm late. To answer the OP's question.... Yes... I'm the one your looking for. I have been targeting permit holding miners for bumping and ganks on and off for about six months now. The reason most of the code representatives who have posted here are unaware of this is because once you get beyond the ganking fleet level there is very little organization or communication between the different code factions or corps. I would be happy to answer any questions you might have and feel free to contact me in game. It is difficult to fund these ganks out of pocket but I consider it money well spent. I would also wish to thank those few players who have donated to my cause. Tyyler DURden says "use soap" |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
80
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Posted - 2014.10.03 16:32:00 -
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Tyyler DURden wrote: Yes... I'm the one your looking for. I have been targeting permit holding miners for bumping and ganks on and off for about six months now.
More off than on. |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
229
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Posted - 2014.10.03 16:48:00 -
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With a whole 5 permit holding retriever pilots brutally slain in that 6 month period, I am really surprised nobody noticed Tyyler's campaign of terror against bot hating miners and put a stop to it! |
Edmond Lewis
Republic University Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.10.03 16:49:00 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders?
yes, they are called CODE.
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
9
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Posted - 2014.10.03 16:50:00 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote: Yes... I'm the one your looking for. I have been targeting permit holding miners for bumping and ganks on and off for about six months now.
More off than on. Yes I must admit some of the code agents that I encounter regularly have admonished me for not registering on any killboards. I will gladly link some kill mails for anyone if they contact me ingame. Tyyler DURden says "use soap" |
Paranoid Loyd
2090
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Posted - 2014.10.03 16:51:00 -
[56] - Quote
While it is doubtful Tyyler is competent, I would like to point out his API is not linked. Some of the most dangerous people I know do not have their APIs linked and do not publicly look as dangerous as they really are. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
5685
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Posted - 2014.10.03 17:25:00 -
[57] - Quote
Steppa Musana wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. If you quit a game about exploding spaceship because your spaceship exploded then the game wasn't probably for you. It's like asking: How many Dust players quit Dust because they did not like to die by gunfire? Because CODE victims quit over their spaceship exploding. Not over having some autist attempt to extract tears out of them for 30 minutes, calling it "roleplaying". This might surprise you, but hear this: There are in fact some players who don't want to play multiplayer games littered by adults who play the game for the sole purpose of judging, mocking and humiliating other adults. You know, players like your leader James 315, and co-leader loyalanon. Shocking, I know!
They must be pretty cool if they're autistic. Unless you're referring to people who are merely doing something you find unfavourable - that doesn't make someone autistic at all. See this guy here? He's autistic. He can look at a whole city for a few minutes, go home, sit down, and draw the whole thing in perfect detail. What you're doing when you call someone autistic is actually talking them up but, I suspect you intended it as an insult, because you perceive autism as 'something bad' so it's easy for you to equate it to something else you perceive as 'something bad'.
That just makes you an idiot. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Vyl Vit
832
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Posted - 2014.10.03 17:32:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few. If you quit a game about exploding spaceship because your spaceship exploded then the game wasn't probably for you. It's like asking: How many Dust players quit Dust because they did not like to die by gunfire? Not quite. Nice try though. Got to give CODE people credit for trying to force the delusion. At least there's something to be said about persistence.
Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
9
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Posted - 2014.10.03 17:50:00 -
[59] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:With a whole 5 permit holding retriever pilots brutally slain in that 6 month period, I am really surprised nobody noticed Tyyler's campaign of terror against bot hating miners and put a stop to it! It's probably more like ten by now, yes I'm sure I'm at least a double ace. As I stated before its not easy working alone funding ganks out of one's own pocket. Makes me wonder what percentage of code members would continue to fund ganks on their own if the gank ship reimbursment program were to suddenly stop. Tyyler DURden says "use soap" |
Ms Forum Alt
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:21:00 -
[60] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:Renegade Heart wrote: If you are going to equate sociopathy with gaming then our debate is pointless.
I was joking. Also no, I don't think I was writing about "gaming", only blowing up miners in high sec. Have a report anyway
You're an idiot. |
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
1218
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:24:00 -
[61] - Quote
dark heartt wrote:No one is safe from ganking, and by buying a "permit", all you are doing is protecting yourself from one group of people who gank. That's all.
As for groups who aggressively gank those who do buy permits, I'm sure they exist, but I've never heard of a specific group.
Everyone with a clue is. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
132
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Posted - 2014.10.03 18:31:00 -
[62] - Quote
a permit doesnt make you safe from non-code gankers, and it only keeps you safe from ganking until code get bored themselves as the code is full of holes such as the section on a miner shouldnt mine everyday, violating this will lead you to being ganked. "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1530
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Posted - 2014.10.03 20:17:00 -
[63] - Quote
Agondray wrote:such as the section on a miner shouldnt mine everyday, violating this will lead you to being ganked. True, but violating this also makes you a mindless rocksucker, condemned to a life of pointlessly increasing your wallet balance. You should be grateful that someone is willing to step in and save you from yourself. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10332
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Posted - 2014.10.03 20:30:00 -
[64] - Quote
I killed a covetor today. Solo. WarTarget.
I feel weird now.
So ... blue.
Hm. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Hi Dave! |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1611
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Posted - 2014.10.03 21:26:00 -
[65] - Quote
Agondray wrote:and it only keeps you safe from ganking until code get bored themselves as the code is full of holes such as the section on a miner shouldnt mine everyday, violating this will lead you to being ganked.
I'm not seeing the hole. The Code is very specific that your violations do not require us to sanction you, we're just serving justice if we decide to. Ganking is not a job, it's a hobby. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10334
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Posted - 2014.10.03 21:32:00 -
[66] - Quote
admiral root wrote:Agondray wrote:and it only keeps you safe from ganking until code get bored themselves as the code is full of holes such as the section on a miner shouldnt mine everyday, violating this will lead you to being ganked. I'm not seeing the hole. The Code is very specific that your violations do not require us to sanction you, we're just serving justice if we decide to. Ganking is not a job, it's a hobby. Suicide ganking can absolutely be a job, if one has enough time and the will to pull it off. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, you sissies. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Hi Dave! |
Mr Unanimous
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2014.10.03 22:13:00 -
[67] - Quote
CODE is still around? Seriously? o.O |
Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
451
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Posted - 2014.10.03 22:17:00 -
[68] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:Bagrat Skalski wrote:Anyone can. heh, I gathered that but I was wondering if one already exists..
Not sure. But you can always start one. Permit holders are supposed to put it in their bio?
If you give that new group name a bit similar to CODE, you might create a whole new flood of posts.
You can then claim you are freeing high-sec of the illusion of safety. You are in effect the savior of miners all over h-sec.
Right? |
KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
792
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Posted - 2014.10.03 22:21:00 -
[69] - Quote
Just the alts of CODE CCP .. always first with the wrong stuff CSM .. CCP Shills with a vacation plan
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6220
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Posted - 2014.10.03 22:22:00 -
[70] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote: Some people ...
...are just that dumb. Yep.
Normally that is a pretty safe way to mine. But when at war? You have to role your eyes sometime at these guys, don't you?
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10336
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Posted - 2014.10.03 22:29:00 -
[71] - Quote
Yarda Black wrote:You can then claim you are freeing high-sec of the illusion of safety. Someone did that already, but it got turned into a monster.
Mr Epeen wrote:Solecist Project wrote: Some people ...
...are just that dumb. Yep. Normally that is a pretty safe way to mine. But when at war? You have to role your eyes sometime at these guys, don't you? Mr Epeen That depends. Some people are just ignorant, while others might just not know better. In the latter case I blame the people who should have taught him.
Personally, to me it seems that covetor was a bot more than anything. It made absolutely no sense to me that he acted that way.
The fact that he undocked must mean that either the CEO doesn't say anything, or that the player in question completely ignored what's going on in his system.
Both seem rather unlikely, tbh ......
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Please send Dave Stark a mail and tell him that Sol said Hi! Thanks! |
Hiply Rustic
Aliastra Gallente Federation
243
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Posted - 2014.10.03 23:46:00 -
[72] - Quote
Ima Wreckyou wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Ms Forum Alt wrote:Exploding spaceships are one aspect of the game only. There are many others. This is the fundamental aspect of the universe. Without this aspect, the others would not exist! There's no debate here but that's not the point really is it. Eve is unbalanced, not between competing entities who both want to explode spaceships, but between those who do and those who don't, especially given that both are necessary in their fields (sociopathy and industry respectively). Do you really think it is ok to suggest someone has a mental disorder that usually requires heavy medication or the removal of that person from society over exploding spaceships? Are you serious?
Nah, the world is full of functioning sociopaths. The ones who outwardly act as expected but inwardly give absolutely no fuks. Moral codes and laws were not created and are not enforced to keep people who would normally respect boundaries, property, and rights in line. They exist to keep the other ones in line. Ralph King-Griffin wrote: "Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied." EvE: Only the strong-willied need apply.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
642
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Posted - 2014.10.04 21:04:00 -
[73] - Quote
Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
478
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Posted - 2014.10.04 21:30:00 -
[74] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No.
Yes, it is. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
81
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Posted - 2014.10.04 21:39:00 -
[75] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No. Well then if you find such a group or start your own, please let us know about it. Besides, if your plan is to somehow oppose the New Order by blowing up those with permits, it would best for propaganda value if you publicize your successes as far and wide as possible in any case.
I think your plan is a good one as if you find you like ganking but get bored of the limited target selection offered by the lower number of compliant miners in highsec, you can always switch sides and join the New Order proper.
The Code truly always wins. |
gantin Adoudel
Shifting Sands Trader Cartel Bleak Horizon Alliance.
4
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Posted - 2014.10.05 00:19:00 -
[76] - Quote
How come no one in code ever ganked me :( I was ripe for the killing when I was younger although I never afk mined still someone could of shown me some love!
To those in code I have shot don't worry I'm not trying to stop you from ganking I just enjoy shooting stuff and on that day you happened to wiggle infront of me like a worm on a hook :) |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
643
|
Posted - 2014.10.05 00:21:00 -
[77] - Quote
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No. Yes, it is. I could not disagree with you more than I do. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
478
|
Posted - 2014.10.05 00:30:00 -
[78] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No. Yes, it is. I could not disagree with you more than I do.
Witty retort about said argument. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
643
|
Posted - 2014.10.05 00:35:00 -
[79] - Quote
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No. Yes, it is. I could not disagree with you more than I do. Witty retort about said argument. Thank you, certainly more witty than the automatic gainsay to my post. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
234
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Posted - 2014.10.05 00:38:00 -
[80] - Quote
gantin Adoudel wrote:How come no one in code ever ganked me :( I was ripe for the killing when I was younger although I never afk mined still someone could of shown me some love!
To those in code I have shot don't worry I'm not trying to stop you from ganking I just enjoy shooting stuff and on that day you happened to wiggle infront of me like a worm on a hook :)
Again, the Code won, as always. Thanks to the Supreme Protector's insight, and the sacfrices made by those noble Agents, you were given a taste of how great High Sec can be with the New Order there to enforce justice.
Hopefully it was fun too |
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malcovas Henderson
THoF
283
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Posted - 2014.10.05 00:43:00 -
[81] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No. Yes, it is. I could not disagree with you more than I do.
Tell that to the ones that have been ganked by CODE. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
643
|
Posted - 2014.10.05 00:46:00 -
[82] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:gantin Adoudel wrote:How come no one in code ever ganked me :( I was ripe for the killing when I was younger although I never afk mined still someone could of shown me some love!
To those in code I have shot don't worry I'm not trying to stop you from ganking I just enjoy shooting stuff and on that day you happened to wiggle infront of me like a worm on a hook :) Again, the Code won, as always. Thanks to the Supreme Protector's insight, and the sacfrices made by those noble Agents, you were given a taste of how great High Sec can be with the New Order there to enforce justice. Hopefully it was fun too certainly they will declare victory ..win or lose. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
643
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Posted - 2014.10.05 00:47:00 -
[83] - Quote
malcovas Henderson wrote:Tell that to the ones that have been ganked by CODE. happily
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
81
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Posted - 2014.10.05 13:10:00 -
[84] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No. Yes, it is. I could not disagree with you more than I do. Some would have you believe that code or any other ganker for that matter has some sixth sense with which he can determine a botter from others and they would likewise try to convince you that ganking is some kind of a crusade against said botting; this is nothing but babble however. They really don't care about botting enough to make that kind of effort. They just want kills and to disturb other players. Why didn't they attack you? Simple they didn't find you... or if they did they were too busy doing something else at the time.
As a highsec resident, you can deal with the reality of the New Order in New Eden in one of four ways:
1) Leave James 315's territory - just to remind you that is all of highsec - and problem solved.
2) Purchase a permit, and/or stay compliant with the Code and show that you understand that Eve is a game about risk vs. reward that you are indeed actively playing.
3) Become a rebel and actively (and ideally competently) oppose the New Order by ganking permit holders, spoiling ganks, and any other means your devious mind can come up with to fight something that you feel is wrong, and generate content along the way.
4) Come to the forums and beg for someone else to stop the New Order, or worse, whine to CCP to change game mechanics to elminate highsec PvP so you can go about maximizing ISK/hour risk-free.
Three of these are "playing Eve" and one is not. You are are now engaging the one in that is not.
Be the change that you wish to see in New Eden.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10458
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Posted - 2014.10.05 13:14:00 -
[85] - Quote
lol James "the sockpuppet" 315's territory. xD I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Please send Dave Stark a mail and tell him that Sol said Hi! Thanks! |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1554
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Posted - 2014.10.05 13:36:00 -
[86] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:Three of these are "playing Eve" and one is not. You are are now engaging the one in that is not. Typical bot-aspirant. Witty Image - Stream Not Liking this post hurts my RL feelings and will be considered harassment |
Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic The Big Dirty
63
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Posted - 2014.10.05 21:51:00 -
[87] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders?
Is there a group who actively euthanize people that keep putting coins in the CODE piggybank?
GöÇGòó The Explorer I GöÇGòó The Explorer II (Coming Soon!)
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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
479
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:54:00 -
[88] - Quote
Lucrii Dei wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders? Is there a group who actively euthanize people that keep putting coins in the CODE piggybank?
Why are you so mad to make real life threats? I mean just because you don't care to donate or support it doesn't mean you should step over the grey line area. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
234
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:58:00 -
[89] - Quote
Lucrii Dei wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders? Is there a group who actively euthanize people that keep putting coins in the CODE piggybank?
Come at me bro (in-game ofc) |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
479
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Posted - 2014.10.05 23:10:00 -
[90] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:Lucrii Dei wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders? Is there a group who actively euthanize people that keep putting coins in the CODE piggybank? Come at me bro (in-game ofc)
Phrasing! Phrasing!
But I will gladly engage you in a fight in EVE, please just don't complain if I cheat. Because you know PVP, and fighting fair is doing it wrong. The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
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Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
234
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:04:00 -
[91] - Quote
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:But I will gladly engage you in a fight in EVE, please just don't complain if I cheat. Because you know PVP, and fighting fair is doing it wrong.
I'd thank you for teaching me a lesson, in the unlikely event of your victory |
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
479
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:29:00 -
[92] - Quote
Renegade Heart wrote:CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 wrote:But I will gladly engage you in a fight in EVE, please just don't complain if I cheat. Because you know PVP, and fighting fair is doing it wrong. I'd thank you for teaching me a lesson, in the unlikely event of your victory
I shall see at High Noon!*
*(On a time zone and day that each of us are free as to not having to forgo anything important.) The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á |
ashley Eoner
349
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Posted - 2014.10.06 02:19:00 -
[93] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who activiely and aggressively gank code permit holders? No, there is no evidence that an organized effort to gank permit holders exists. There has been some impotent bluster from the usual places, but in the end there has been no discernible action by any group. Are you thinking of starting one, or just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because if it is the later I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. The monetary amount is a fraction of what even one ship loss will cost you, plus the chances of a running into a New Order ganker while mining bareback (i.e. without a permit) are orders of magnitude higher than being found by some (mythical?) anti-New Order gank squad. If you are planning on starting some sort of a permit-gank organization, please let us know so we can follow your progress. Personally, I love emergent gameplay like this - it is way more entertaining than the usual pouting and whining you get from most of the A-G folks. I've ganked a few just because they had permits.
I haven't set about systematically ganking them but I know I'm not the only one that has ganked permit holders just for having a permit. I've also killed several code wannabes during gank attempts.
My gank alts have empty KBs too because I don't give a rats ass about the epenor.. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1613
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Posted - 2014.10.06 02:32:00 -
[94] - Quote
ashley Eoner wrote:My gank alts have empty KBs too because I don't give a rats ass about the epenor..
Ah, the old "I gank, honest, I just don't killboard" excuse. I see your main has exactly no hits on zkillboard, too. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
9
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Posted - 2014.10.06 05:26:00 -
[95] - Quote
admiral root wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:My gank alts have empty KBs too because I don't give a rats ass about the epenor.. Ah, the old "I gank, honest, I just don't killboard" excuse. I see your main has exactly no hits on zkillboard, too. I'm trying to understand the point of your statement here. Correct me if I'm reading into this the wrong way, but are you saying that kills don't count unless they show up on some killboard? Tyyler DURden says "use soap" |
somedudeinaship
Republic University Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2014.10.06 05:42:00 -
[96] - Quote
Nobody is ever safe, unless you are parked in a station at least or cloaked out in some safe spot in a random system. The second you become visible in the game space you are free game.
Trust no one. |
Dave Kitaro
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.10.06 06:58:00 -
[97] - Quote
It's a protection racket which doesn't even offer protection. Now, if CODE were to offer retribution on behalf of permit holders who'd been ganked by non-CODE members, then perhaps the permit fee might be worth something.
Until then, resist the racketeers. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
84
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Posted - 2014.10.06 07:03:00 -
[98] - Quote
Tyyler DURden wrote:admiral root wrote: Ah, the old "I gank, honest, I just don't killboard" excuse. I see your main has exactly no hits on zkillboard, too.
I'm trying to understand the point of your statement here. Correct me if I'm reading into this the wrong way, but are you saying that kills don't count unless they show up on some killboard?
I think it is clear that he is calling ashley Eoner a liar. Many people in this game claim things that are not true, and the good admiral is pointing to the fact he has heard such exaggerations of PvP prowess from others before.
And yes, kills count if they are not on a killboard somewhere. However, if you do not post them to a killboard, only you and the victim know for sure they happened, so do not be surprised when others doubt the veracity of your claims.
In the context of ganking permit holders, not using killboard makes no sense. The whole point of it is to discourage others from buying a permit by adding risk to displaying a permit in your bio. If you just silently kill permit holders, at best you will discourage that specific miner from renewing their permit, but you will have no effect on the new permit sales to others as they have no way to know of your actions.
Of course, if you are just ganking permit holders for your own pleasure, then killboard verification is of little consequence. But in this case you are really not engaged in a active public campaign against the New Order. Thus, I would suggest you stay off the forums with your claims of ganking, or at least not act surprised when some people doubt what you are saying.
However, we both know why you and ashley are hiding behind the no-killboard excuse - even together you have ganked just a handful of permit holders, a number that if verified would be a fraction of a percent of the CODE. aliiance verified kills. Not providing a number allows you use the uncertainty to present the your modest actions as more significant than they really are.
Don't get me wrong, even your isolated acts of rebelling do you credit as they are infinitely more than most carebears do - I just don't want any potential permit buyers to think there is an actual risk to holding a New Order permit from permit-gankers. Perhaps you guys will organize and that will change in the future, but for now that risk is essentially zero.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2705
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Posted - 2014.10.06 07:35:00 -
[99] - Quote
Code's list of permit holders make's wardeccing easier.
Nuff said Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
78
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Posted - 2014.10.06 08:55:00 -
[100] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote: 1) Nope 2) Nope 3) Nope 4) Nope
not needed, try:
5) Fly a procurer / better skiff, fit it properly, ignore codie-contacts, do not talk to them. -> hard to kill / boring target since no talking they can not make propaganda with you.
Top choice.
Find a corps that you like. more people can do more fun stuff. Top recommendation.
EDIT a permit might make you an extra target, for code-enemies. So don't bother, you might get shot anyway. Forum Main |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10612
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Posted - 2014.10.06 10:20:00 -
[101] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:Black Pedro wrote: 1) Nope 2) Nope 3) Nope 4) Nope
not needed, try: 5) Fly a procurer / better skiff, fit it properly, ignore codie-contacts, do not talk to them. -> hard to kill / boring target since no talking they can not make propaganda with you. Top choice. Find a corps that you like makes sense and doesn't mine only. more people can do more fun stuff, that's not mining. Top recommendation. EDIT a permit might make you an extra target, for code-enemies. So don't bother, you might get shot anyway. Had to fix this for you.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more to the game than mining or running missions? THERE IS! Contact me via mail (only) ! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10612
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Posted - 2014.10.06 10:20:00 -
[102] - Quote
Asuka Solo wrote:Code's list of permit holders make's wardeccing easier.
Nuff said Wait... really? I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more to the game than mining or running missions? THERE IS! Contact me via mail (only) ! |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
85
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Posted - 2014.10.06 10:53:00 -
[103] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:not needed, try: 5) Fly a procurer / better skiff, fit it properly, ignore codie-contacts, do not talk to them. -> hard to kill / boring target since no talking they can not make propaganda with you.
Top choice.
EDIT a permit might make you an extra target, for code-enemies. So don't bother, you might get shot anyway.
Your 5) falls under my 2) - respect the Code. By fitting for tank over yield you are complying with the Code and acknowledging that there is indeed risk in highsec. Sure, you not fully Code-compliant without a permit and still subject to a New Order gank, but you are tacitly showing you recognize the threat we pose to your mining operation (AKA we win!).
Ignoring us will do you no good - we kill bots all the time that never respond to us. If someone doesn't respond I just conclude they are not just a bot-aspirant, but an actual bot or AFKer, and will kill you with more satisfaction. Still, I suppose it is better to stay silent than to spout off the hatred and bigotry we too often see come out of the mouths of the ganked that ends up on www.minerbumping.com. I would suggest though if an agent reaches out to you while you are mining, that you wish them well to let them know that you are indeed at your keyboard, and then you can begin a polite discussion on how to get your permit to be fully compliant with the Code. That gallant behaviour very well might save your mining vessel while ignoring the agent could have you in your pod, or worse, back in an alpha clone in a station.
And no, as I outlined above in this thread, there is no significant risk of being targeted by anti-CODE. gankers. Or at least if a risk exists, it is extremely elusive and several orders of magnitude less than the chance of being ganked by an Agent of the New Order if you don't have a permit. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
150
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Posted - 2014.10.06 12:06:00 -
[104] - Quote
Uhmm...ya.....I also investigated ganking permit holders.
Found a few problems:
1 - There are very, very few actual permit holders
2 - 95% of those are just Code alts who buy the permits as a troll. During my brief stay in the minerbumping channel, some folks from 315 miners, who were permit compliant miners, they assured me, kept challenging me to 1v1 duels. Yet when I asked to join their mining ops I was met with stunned silence.
3 - The people you see in belts with permits are trolls who just concoct a fake permit to stick it to CODE.
So basically, ganking permit holders won't work because there is no one to actually gank. The whole permit scheme is a massive fraud that is undertaken only to give CODE cover under the EULA. The fee is too low to ever make any meaningful amount of isk, and the natural resistance to giving in to extortion ensures that few will actually purchase such permits. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8491
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Posted - 2014.10.06 12:19:00 -
[105] - Quote
Let me ask y'all a serious question. Does ganking occur THIS MUCH that people have to post about it and James all the time?
I'm serious,because if you look at the forums it would seem like there is a Gank around every other corner. My 1st character was created on May 3, 2007 and in all that time I've had ONE gank attempted against me. I had an officer mod (albeit a very cheap on, like 60 mil) in a tech 1 hauler and a dude tried to gank me between Jita and Amarr. I got out in with like 80% hull left because I had a tank (triple tank lol). Me and the ganker had a laugh in local together after he realized that ym cargo wasn't that lucrative. I docked, repaired and haven't have a single problem in the 5 years since that happened. I've flown freighters and jump freighters since then, as well as missioned in pirate faction battleships in 0.5 systems.
Is it THIS difficult to take some minor precautions? Is a slight sense of personal responsibility for one's on safety and game enjoyment THAT hard to do. How hard is it to put a damage control and some defensive rigs on a mission ship to discourage gankers (for example as I am more mission runner than anything else)? I know that nothing is 100% but 7.5 years without a gank while flying ships other people would like to gank should tell y'all something. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
2430
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Posted - 2014.10.06 12:26:00 -
[106] - Quote
Thread temporarily locked for some cleaning. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
150
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Posted - 2014.10.06 12:49:00 -
[107] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:Let me ask y'all a serious question. Does ganking occur THIS MUCH that people have to post about it and James all the time?
I'm serious,because if you look at the forums it would seem like there is a Gank around every other corner. My 1st character was created on May 3, 2007 and in all that time I've had ONE gank attempted against me. I had an officer mod (albeit a very cheap on, like 60 mil) in a tech 1 hauler and a dude tried to gank me between Jita and Amarr. I got out in with like 80% hull left because I had a tank (triple tank lol). Me and the ganker had a laugh in local together after he realized that ym cargo wasn't that lucrative. I docked, repaired and haven't have a single problem in the 5 years since that happened. I've flown freighters and jump freighters since then, as well as missioned in pirate faction battleships in 0.5 systems.
Is it THIS difficult to take some minor precautions? Is a slight sense of personal responsibility for one's on safety and game enjoyment THAT hard to do. How hard is it to put a damage control and some defensive rigs on a mission ship to discourage gankers (for example as I am more mission runner than anything else)? I know that nothing is 100% but 7.5 years without a gank while flying ships other people would like to gank should tell y'all something.
Mission runners have a bad perspective on this. Mission runners are usually behind acceleration gates and it is a pain to scan them down and gank them. Plus its usually -EV. During my months of running highsec missions I faced 0 gank attempts, and only a couple of visits from "space trash collectors," who were hoping to bait me into shooting at them.
Ganks of haulers, miners, autopiloters, etc.... are far, far more common, since they require no scanning, have a higher probability of success, and are often +EV. |
Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
17
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:18:28 -
[108] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:Tyyler DURden wrote:admiral root wrote: Ah, the old "I gank, honest, I just don't killboard" excuse. I see your main has exactly no hits on zkillboard, too.
I'm trying to understand the point of your statement here. Correct me if I'm reading into this the wrong way, but are you saying that kills don't count unless they show up on some killboard? I think it is clear that he is calling ashley Eoner a liar. Many people in this game claim things that are not true, and the good admiral is pointing to the fact he has heard such exaggerations of PvP prowess from others before. And yes, kills count if they are not on a killboard somewhere. However, if you do not post them to a killboard, only you and the victim know for sure they happened, so do not be surprised when others doubt the veracity of your claims. In the context of ganking permit holders, not using killboard makes no sense. The whole point of it is to discourage others from buying a permit by adding risk to displaying a permit in your bio. If you just silently kill permit holders, at best you will discourage that specific miner from renewing their permit, but you will have no effect on the new permit sales to others as they have no way to know of your actions. Of course, if you are just ganking permit holders for your own pleasure, then killboard verification is of little consequence. But in this case you are really not engaged in a active public campaign against the New Order. Thus, I would suggest you stay off the forums with your claims of ganking, or at least not act surprised when some people doubt what you are saying. However, we both know why you and ashley are hiding behind the no-killboard excuse - even together you have ganked just a handful of permit holders, a number that if verified would be a fraction of a percent of the CODE. aliiance verified kills. Not providing a number allows you use the uncertainty to present the your modest actions as more significant than they really are. Don't get me wrong, even your isolated acts of rebelling do you credit as they are infinitely more than most carebears do - I just don't want any potential permit buyers to think there is an actual risk to holding a New Order permit from permit-gankers. Perhaps you guys will organize and that will change in the future, but for now that risk is essentially zero. Man, posting from a phone can be frustrating.
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8737
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:29:46 -
[109] - Quote
Veers Belvar wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Let me ask y'all a serious question. Does ganking occur THIS MUCH that people have to post about it and James all the time?
I'm serious,because if you look at the forums it would seem like there is a Gank around every other corner. My 1st character was created on May 3, 2007 and in all that time I've had ONE gank attempted against me. I had an officer mod (albeit a very cheap on, like 60 mil) in a tech 1 hauler and a dude tried to gank me between Jita and Amarr. I got out in with like 80% hull left because I had a tank (triple tank lol). Me and the ganker had a laugh in local together after he realized that ym cargo wasn't that lucrative. I docked, repaired and haven't have a single problem in the 5 years since that happened. I've flown freighters and jump freighters since then, as well as missioned in pirate faction battleships in 0.5 systems.
Is it THIS difficult to take some minor precautions? Is a slight sense of personal responsibility for one's on safety and game enjoyment THAT hard to do. How hard is it to put a damage control and some defensive rigs on a mission ship to discourage gankers (for example as I am more mission runner than anything else)? I know that nothing is 100% but 7.5 years without a gank while flying ships other people would like to gank should tell y'all something. Mission runners have a bad perspective on this. Mission runners are usually behind acceleration gates and it is a pain to scan them down and gank them. Plus its usually -EV. During my months of running highsec missions I faced 0 gank attempts, and only a couple of visits from "space trash collectors," who were hoping to bait me into shooting at them. Ganks of haulers, miners, autopiloters, etc.... are far, far more common, since they require no scanning, have a higher probability of success, and are often +EV.
Nonsense. As I said, I own and fly freighters and have had a jump frieghter. I've set my Incursion Machariel's autopilot to a destination and went to work (hoping the incursion was still there when i got home). Still no ganks.
What I haven't done is fly stupid and expect no one to come after me in a competitive video game.
When I autopilot my Mach, it's striped of all valuable mods and ammo, and then passive/buffer tanked (shield and armor) as much as I can. I autopilot it to the next incursion focus because even a nano'd mach is a pain to fly 20+ jumps.
The fit is transported a nano and passive tanked transport that I fly manually when I get home (transports can't be scanned) because 20+ jumps in a nano transport is much less annoying. I've autopiloted both of my Providences empty and with some cargo all around high sec with zero ganks as well.
And WTF is this - + EV?
It's plain to see that you are obsessed with these gankers , which means that they have succeeded in doing the ONE thing they set out to do, which is to own people like you by getting on your nerves. You are exactly the kind of mark they look for. They don't affect me in any way what so ever in high sec, mainly because I proactively short circuit their efforts by thinking about what I'm doing before doing it.
Protecting myself and my stuff was literally the 1st thing I was taught by my mentor upon entering into the world of EVE 7 years ago. Seems like some folks never got that message.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
188
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:34:50 -
[110] - Quote
Jenn aSide wrote:[quote=Veers Belvar]
Nonsense. As I said, I own and fly freighters and have had a jump frieghter. I've set my Incursion Machariel's autopilot to a destination and went to work (hoping the incursion was still there when i got home). Still no ganks.
What I haven't done is fly stupid and expect no one to come after me in a competitive video game.
When I autopilot my Mach, it's striped of all valuable mods and ammo, and then passive/buffer tanked (shield and armor) as much as I can. I autopilot it to the next incursion focus because even a nano'd mach is a pain to fly 20+ jumps.
The fit is transported a nano and passive tanked transport that I fly manually when I get home (transports can't be scanned) because 20+ jumps in a nano transport is much less annoying. I've autopiloted both of my Providences empty and with some cargo all around high sec with zero ganks as well.
And WTF is this - + EV?
It's plain to see that you are obsessed with these gankers , which means that they have succeeded in doing the ONE thing they set out to do, which is to own people like you by getting on your nerves. You are exactly the kind of mark they look for. They don't affect me in any way what so ever in high sec, mainly because I proactively short circuit their efforts by thinking about what I'm doing before doing it.
Protecting myself and my stuff was literally the 1st thing I was taught by my mentor upon entering into the world of EVE 7 years ago. Seems like some folks never got that message.
You realize they blow up empty ships at a huge loss right? So your "solutions' wouldn't actually help. What I do is have 3 identical fully fit incursion ships in different parts of space so I never need to fly through Uedama or Niarja with them. That makes me immune to the gankers.
Which does not change the fact that many haulers and other ships are getting ganked on a regular basis in those 2 systems. And obviously, as someone who cares about highsec, I have opinions on whether the game mechanics should facilitate such consequence free ganking (the new twist is apparently an ISBoxer controlled catalyst fleet in Uedama).
The gankers don't set out to affect your "nerves." They set out to blow up your ship, make you cry, and "harvest' your "tears." And they certainly have failed to do that to me! |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2922
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Posted - 2014.10.06 13:37:59 -
[111] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who actively and aggressively gank code permit holders? Code ganks code permit holders. The excuse is either 1) You violated the code (but they will not say how, or just make something up, and of course there is no appeal). 2) You paid, but you did not pay us.
http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
105
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:00:10 -
[112] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Barbara Nichole wrote:is there a group who actively and aggressively gank code permit holders? Code ganks code permit holders. The excuse is either 1) You violated the code (but they will not say how, or just make something up, and of course there is no appeal). 2) You paid, but you did not pay us.
This is wrong. It is true that New Order agents have ganked permit holders, but only when they were not otherwise compliant with the Code. The permit does not allow you to AFK mine in an untanked ship - you still must obey the rest of the Code to operate in James 315's territory.
But as to your points: 1) I do, and I believe most agents do as well, routinely provide you with the specific reason you were ganked. Usually it is for not having a permit, but if it is for another reason they will tell you. But regardless, you are always entitled to an appeal - we have mechanisms in place for that - try The Code FAQ channel for one - or just go right to the top with your appeal to a CODE. diplomat or James 315 himself. 2) I have never heard of this before. Your permit from an agent of the New Order is good for a whole year and in all of highsec. I have heard of people sporting fake permits, but never of a valid one not being honoured because you paid someone else. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:13:55 -
[113] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote: Your 5) falls under my 2) - respect the Code. I make a big pile of poo on the code. 5) stands, because not only codies are ganking. Not talking to you (codies) takes the humiliation part away from you. The "bots" you talk of are mainly retrievers and ventures(! Beginner ship !) For more experienced miners, codies are laughing stock, with a narcistic "naive" leader.
You are not the center of the world and not the center of New Eden. Obviously you believe your own propaganda.
Black Pedro wrote: Ignoring us will do you no good
Serves me perfectly fine. Easy 500mil+ per day on high-sec ice.
Black Pedro wrote: And no, as I outlined above in this thread, there is no significant risk of being targeted by anti-CODE. gankers. Or at least if a risk exists, it is extremely elusive and several orders of magnitude less than the chance of being ganked by an Agent of the New Order if you don't have a permit.
I wrote *might*, even when the chances are low. Since i am in for business and do not check for permits, i wan't shoot at those atm. But my moods change, sometimes i mine / build, fly missions or go on corps-roams.
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ashley Eoner
349
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Posted - 2014.10.06 20:22:00 -
[114] - Quote
admiral root wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:My gank alts have empty KBs too because I don't give a rats ass about the epenor.. Ah, the old "I gank, honest, I just don't killboard" excuse. I see your main has exactly no hits on zkillboard, too. Oh do tell me who my main is.
I have a few posts on the KB cause some of those I've killed have their API setup for whatever reason. I just don't understand why people care about some silly website.
More importantly for me I'd rather not have a "paper trail" of kills for people to follow. Killboards are stupid because you're giving away information about yourself in the hopes that your epenor will get bigger. It's just dumb. |
ashley Eoner
353
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Posted - 2014.10.06 20:22:12 -
[115] - Quote
admiral root wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:My gank alts have empty KBs too because I don't give a rats ass about the epenor.. Ah, the old "I gank, honest, I just don't killboard" excuse. I see your main has exactly no hits on zkillboard, too. Oh do tell me who my main is.
I have a few posts on the KB cause some of those I've killed have their API setup for whatever reason. I just don't understand why people care about some silly website.
More importantly for me I'd rather not have a "paper trail" of kills for people to follow. Killboards are stupid because you're giving away information about yourself in the hopes that your epenor will get bigger. It's just dumb.
Black Pedro wrote:I think it is clear that he is calling ashley Eoner a liar. Many people in this game claim things that are not true, and the good admiral is pointing to the fact he has heard such exaggerations of PvP prowess from others before.
And yes, kills count if they are not on a killboard somewhere. However, if you do not post them to a killboard, only you and the victim know for sure they happened, so do not be surprised when others doubt the veracity of your claims.
In the context of ganking permit holders, not using killboard makes no sense. The whole point of it is to discourage others from buying a permit by adding risk to displaying a permit in your bio. If you just silently kill permit holders, at best you will discourage that specific miner from renewing their permit, but you will have no effect on the new permit sales to others as they have no way to know of your actions.
Of course, if you are just ganking permit holders for your own pleasure, then killboard verification is of little consequence. But in this case you are really not engaged in a active public campaign against the New Order. Thus, I would suggest you stay off the forums with your claims of ganking, or at least not act surprised when some people doubt what you are saying.
However, we both know why you and ashley are hiding behind the no-killboard excuse - even together you have ganked just a handful of permit holders, a number that if verified would be a fraction of a percent of the CODE. aliiance verified kills. Not providing a number allows you use the uncertainty to present the your modest actions as more significant than they really are.
Don't get me wrong, even your isolated acts of rebelling do you credit as they are infinitely more than most carebears do - I just don't want any potential permit buyers to think there is an actual risk to holding a New Order permit from permit-gankers. Perhaps you guys will organize and that will change in the future, but for now that risk is essentially zero.
Your reading comprehension is clearly at the fail level. I only claimed I ganked some because they had a permit not that i'm on some sort of anti-code campaign or any such nonsense. I also only stated that I know a few others who have done the same. Stating that a few people have ganked permit holders off hand isn't a statement of anything greater. Your insistence on taking what I said to a level that clearly wasn't intended shows quite a bit about you.
I don't really care if you don't believe me. That's proven by my lack of epeening in this thread.
The real risk for permit holders is from code as they don't care if you have a permit or not. It's all an act to keep from being banned for griefing.
Frankly the biggest problem with ganking permit holders would be finding them. There's so few actually actually showing a permit in their bio that I wouldn't consider such a war to be worth anyone's time. |
Super spikinator
Hegemonous Conscripts
335
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Posted - 2014.10.06 21:10:33 -
[116] - Quote
Barbara Nichole wrote:Quote:just evaluating the cost/benefit of a permit? Because .... I can assure you that your 10M ISK/ year is a good investment in safeguarding your assets. No.
Pascal would of ponied up the 10M isk. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2014.10.08 18:07:19 -
[117] - Quote
Black Pedro wrote:I believe
What you believe is your own (codie) propaganda. Since i started EvE i was warned about the dangers and i visited all the sources i could get. Later on i stumbled over codies in chat and i checked everything out following the mb website and others.
I had comments from code leadership, where they self commited (indirectly but clearly) that they give a **** on any commitment. So the reliable thing still is: You do not make business with code.
I could write a whole article about the AT fail and what a disaster for code it still is. What code misses are really smart people. The actual leader is by far not as smart as he needs to be.
My prognosis? code is dying.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1569
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Posted - 2014.10.08 18:29:12 -
[118] - Quote
Ms Forum Alt wrote:I wonder how many new players, having the CODE "new player experience", haven't bothered to resub.
Probably quite a few.
Nah, such a guy needs to be dusted off and picked up by a real corp. That takes him out shooting. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
85
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Posted - 2014.10.09 12:51:00 -
[119] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:What you believe is your own (codie) propaganda. Since i started EvE i was warned about the dangers and i visited all the sources i could get. Later on i stumbled over codies in chat and i checked everything out following the mb website and others. I had comments from code leadership, where they self commited (indirectly but clearly) that they give a **** on any commitment. So the reliable thing still is: You do not make business with code. I could write a whole article about the AT fail and what a disaster for code it still is. What code misses are really smart people. The actual leader is by far not as smart as he needs to be. My prognosis? code is dying.
You can believe what ever you like about the New Order but the facts are not on your side. Share purchases continue to pour in and the non-compliant continue to explode at an amazing rate. Just look at CODE's work in Uedama over the last week - so much glorious destruction - and proof the New Order is growing ever-stronger.
I agree you do not "make business with the code" with a permit. The New Order is not selling the right to AFK mine in untanked ships - we are working toward a better highsec for everyone : a highsec where players actually play the game, where risk vs. reward is enforced, and there is a highsec full of conflict (AKA content) which is the essence of Eve. Your 10M ISK permit is just a badge advertising to New Eden that that you understand this and have become Code compliant, as well as that you support our good work. You still must remaining compliant with the Code. If you would like to do actual business with the New Order, I suggest you become a shareholder.
The fact is that if you do not buy a permit you are at increased risk of having your pixels explode courtesy of a Knight of the New Order. We can debate the magnitude of the risk, but the killboard summaries I linked above shows that it is very real, and therefore it is up to each highsec resident to decide their risk tolerance and as such, whether they should get compliant with Code. In my opinion, 10M ISK is a trivial amount and therefore getting a permit is one of the best bargains in all of New Eden, but others may conclude differently. That is their right of course, but if you choose the path of a rebel and get exploded, please don't come to the forums and moan for someone else to stop the New Order (like this thread), or petition CCP to nerf highsec PvP even more because you made a bad decision and lost your ship. Just HTFU.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
105
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Posted - 2014.10.09 12:51:09 -
[120] - Quote
La Rynx wrote:What you believe is your own (codie) propaganda. Since i started EvE i was warned about the dangers and i visited all the sources i could get. Later on i stumbled over codies in chat and i checked everything out following the mb website and others. I had comments from code leadership, where they self commited (indirectly but clearly) that they give a **** on any commitment. So the reliable thing still is: You do not make business with code. I could write a whole article about the AT fail and what a disaster for code it still is. What code misses are really smart people. The actual leader is by far not as smart as he needs to be. My prognosis? code is dying.
You can believe what ever you like about the New Order but the facts are not on your side. Share purchases continue to pour in and the non-compliant continue to explode at an amazing rate. Just look at CODE's work in Uedama over the last week - so much glorious destruction - and proof the New Order is growing ever-stronger.
I agree you do not "make business with the code" with a permit. The New Order is not selling the right to AFK mine in untanked ships - we are working toward a better highsec for everyone : a highsec where players actually play the game, where risk vs. reward is enforced, and there is a highsec full of conflict (AKA content) which is the essence of Eve. Your 10M ISK permit is just a badge advertising to New Eden that that you understand this and have become Code compliant, as well as that you support our good work. You still must remain compliant with the Code. If you would like to do actual business with the New Order, I suggest you become a shareholder.
The fact is that if you do not buy a permit you are at increased risk of having your pixels explode courtesy of a Knight of the New Order. We can debate the magnitude of the risk, but the killboard summaries I linked above shows that it is very real, and therefore it is up to each highsec resident to decide their risk tolerance and as such, whether they should get compliant with Code. In my opinion, 10M ISK is a trivial amount and therefore getting a permit is one of the best bargains in all of New Eden, but others may conclude differently. That is their right of course, but if you choose the path of a rebel and get exploded, please don't come to the forums and moan for someone else to stop the New Order (like this thread), or petition CCP to nerf highsec PvP even more because you made a bad decision and lost your ship. Just HTFU. |
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2014.10.26 09:45:58 -
[121] - Quote
Is that another ALT of DJ?
Black Pedro wrote:You can believe what ever you like about the New Order but the facts are not on your side.
Oh please, where ever facts are they are NOT in favor of CODE.
permit tank is best tank?
bla bla killboard bla bla this, bla bla that.
code = #REKT code says a lot (propaganda) but they do not act as they talk.
save your efforts, You can not repair your reputation anymore. All done.
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
240
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Posted - 2014.10.26 17:16:49 -
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Quote:13. Spamming is prohibited.
Spam is defined as the repetitive posting of the same topic or nonsensical post that has no substance and is often designed to annoy other forum users. This can include the words GÇ£firstGÇ¥, GÇ£go back to insert other game name" and other such posts that contribute no value to forum discussion. Spamming also includes the posting of ASCII art within a forum post, or the practice of GÇ£thread necromancyGÇ¥ which involved bumping of old threads for no justifiable reason. No reason to bump this thread back to the front. The last reply does not add any value to this thread and will only incite further flaming and trolling. Thread locked.
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