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DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
1052
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Posted - 2014.10.03 23:55:00 -
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Grave Digger Eriker wrote:Dave Stark wrote:nah, it'll still just be jita. Incorrect!! Jita is only within 5LY reach of 2 lowsec systems, with MAX skills, that will be perma camped so JF pilots will not use jita with these changes. Bye Bye jita Conversely, Rens and Hek may well survive and funily enough they are in range of Amamake so PL are sorted.
Or they will jump to a ls system closer to home and gate all the way to jita if you are smart you don't get ganked. I used to move dysp to jita with a jf and took the hs route there and back. that was a few years ago though OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
188
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:06:00 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:Dave Stark wrote:nah, it'll still just be jita. From what I can tell, many people will not be able to or will not be willing to make the trip all...the...way... I didn't say Jita will die. I didn't say "Jita's successors". I said "Jita's grandchildren". Indicating a family enlargement.
So the great grand children of Yulai?
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ElSuerte Diego
Los Perros Hermanos
6
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:18:00 -
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I think in the "real world" Jita would become something like a modern commodities exchange, where only the titles to the goods where traded. You wouldn't have to physically transport the goods to and from Jita. Eve doesn't have the infra-structure for that.
CCP could ease the pain somewhat if they got rid of the regional market bounderies or improved the market api.
Maybe we'll see more use of the contract system since it's global. |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company Ethical Carnage
131
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:26:00 -
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ElSuerte Diego wrote:I think in the "real world" Jita would become something like a modern commodities exchange, where only the titles to the goods where traded. You wouldn't have to physically transport the goods to and from Jita. Eve doesn't have the infra-structure for that.
CCP could ease the pain somewhat if they got rid of the regional market bounderies or improved the market api.
Maybe we'll see more use of the contract system since it's global.
I'm not sure I understand your point. Would you mind elaborating? Fide et honore.
(IC note: Vulxanis only responds to "Lord Draconis".) |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6233
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:34:00 -
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All roads lead to Jita.
So let it be written, so let it be done.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5520
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Posted - 2014.10.04 01:20:00 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:So according to this article, in theory there will be new trade hubs all over new eden since a lot of people will not be able to get to Jita (or the other 3) as easily. For those of you who are searching the interwebs and want to know where the major trade hubs are, here is a convenient list that is a WIP(and is updates asap when new info is given). If you have a Trade Hub you want me to put on this list, message me with the title of the fact you want me to add your trade hub suggestion. Please also include why you consider it a trade hub. Thanks! Hope this helps! First 5 are taken from this website: Expanded list of trade hubs on my blog.Hisec Trade hubs: Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant (Main Caldari Trade Hub, Biggest Trade Hub in game) Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy (Main Amarr Trade Hub) Rens VI - Moon 8 - Brutor Tribe Treasury (Main Minmatar Trade Hub) Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant (Main Gallente Trade Hub) Hek VIII - Moon 12 - Boundless Creation Factory (Major Minmatar Trade Hub) Tanoo V - Moon 1 - Ammatar Consulate Bureau (Ammatar Region Trade Hub)Lowsec Trade Hubs: Old Man Star VIII - Moon 1 - Quafe Company Warehouse (Fw/Piracy Trade hub in Essence)Nullsec Trade Hubs: (WIP) ~As for a discussion~ What are your opinions on what trade hubs will likely spring up? (if you have a good system in mind please EVEmail it to me so I can add it to the list) Opinion on the article? Opinion on supercaps using stargates? How will this effect them? Possible strategy alternatives to blob fleets? I recognize there are a ton of forum posts about this. But from what I can tell, this will be both an amazing change for those who are tired of the impossible size of nullsec empires, and an enraging handicap for those that maintain those huge empires.
I would expect Villore to become a trade hub or the highsec side of the OMS trade hub - which would be interesting. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Kousaka Otsu Shigure
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Posted - 2014.10.04 13:49:00 -
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And Jita is very well stocked, years and years of stockpiled goods in that station. It will still take a while if ever nobody traded in Jita anymore... |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
243
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Posted - 2014.10.04 13:52:00 -
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What's a Trade Hub?
Ah, I get it...
This is another AFK cloaking thread... |
Grave Digger Eriker
Grave Diggers Guild
20
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Posted - 2014.10.04 23:34:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Grave Digger Eriker wrote:Dave Stark wrote:nah, it'll still just be jita. Incorrect!! Jita is only within 5LY reach of 2 lowsec systems, with MAX skills, that will be perma camped so JF pilots will not use jita with these changes. Bye Bye jita Conversely, Rens and Hek may well survive and funily enough they are in range of Amamake so PL are sorted. Or they will jump to a ls system closer to home and gate all the way to jita if you are smart you don't get ganked. I used to move dysp to jita with a jf and took the hs route there and back. that was a few years ago though You have completely misunderstood the behaviour of a JF. There are only 2 Lowsec systems within jump range of Jita period. so say jumping to Pakkonen, a close Lowsec system to Jita is about 8LY and 4 gates. But when its time to jump out of Jita you will not get to Pakkonen but to a system that is 17 normal gates from Jita. Therefore, you will need 2 stating points. 1 for the lowsec system near to Jita and one as the only jumpout point from Jita. Its it is not the same system.
Will make logistics even harder for the little guy. Obviously, for CFC/N3/PL this is not a big concern as they are probably buying up all the JF pilots on the character bazaar already so will have them in multiple locations.
It will all level out once the new local hubs start appearing.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1571
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Posted - 2014.10.05 00:00:00 -
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Grave Digger Eriker wrote:Dave Stark wrote:nah, it'll still just be jita. Incorrect!! Jita is only within 5LY reach of 2 lowsec systems, with MAX skills, that will be perma camped so JF pilots will not use jita with these changes. Bye Bye jita Conversely, Rens and Hek may well survive and funily enough they are in range of Amamake so PL are sorted. Or of course, people will JF to 2 or 3 gates out of Jita using a scout to make sure no Nado gangs are right on the gates, and a web frigate to move them. Just like people move normal freighters out of Jita. And then they can jump to a huge number more systems. |
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Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
8413
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Posted - 2014.10.05 00:54:00 -
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Grave Digger Eriker wrote:Dave Stark wrote:nah, it'll still just be jita. Incorrect!! Jita is only within 5LY reach of 2 lowsec systems, with MAX skills, that will be perma camped so JF pilots will not use jita with these changes. Bye Bye jita Conversely, Rens and Hek may well survive and funily enough they are in range of Amamake so PL are sorted. I may not be understanding this correctly, but I don't think it matters if Jita is more than 5LY away from a low sec system since you don't jump straight to Jita anyways. Any lowsec system next to a contiguous high sec system can be used to get to Jita as the highsec jumps have much less risk and are much cheaper. |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company Ethical Carnage
135
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Posted - 2014.10.05 01:00:00 -
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Just as a reminder, if you want me to add a station as a trade hub, please mail me the information! Station names themselves are preferred. Fide et honore.
(IC note: Vulxanis only responds to "Lord Draconis".) |
Dwissi
Miners Delight
21
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Posted - 2014.10.06 10:34:00 -
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I do agree with Derrick there - Jita is a bit like a drug since Eve has existed. There where some (or better few) reasons that Jita became THE trade hub to begin with. But even with every change CCP introduced the addiction of players to Jita never really changed - even if it didn't make any sense at all to go there. Its like there are players out there who's map solely consist of that one system somehow. Should i do anything when all 3 things on my ship are fully red?
My thanks to all Eve players for the continued forums drama - i had no idea how much i missed it while i was away :) |
Ka'Narlist
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
223
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Posted - 2014.10.06 10:48:00 -
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As for new hubs, they will probably emerge in stations that are close to a high to null sec gate |
Vyl Vit
837
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:54:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:Such things as this aren't planned. They happen. Maybe I should have used all caps and boldface:
SUCH THINGS AS THESE AREN'T PLANNED! THEY HAPPEN! Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
S'Way
Bitter Vets
911
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Posted - 2014.10.06 14:56:00 -
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Someone did this back in 2012, if you want to compare hubs from back then to now....
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1395195#post1395195
Might be able to make a more accurate list of hubs with actual numbers (like the 2012 lists) instead of just people throwing out system names, by asking the market discussions forum. |
Zach Lemmont
Critical Mass Inc.
4
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Posted - 2014.10.06 16:57:00 -
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Tash-murkon if i recall has a decently good market going for it, noticed it wasn't on your list |
Vulxanis Viceroy
Offworld Trading Company Ethical Carnage
141
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:32:00 -
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Zach Lemmont wrote:Tash-murkon if i recall has a decently good market going for it, noticed it wasn't on your list
Tash-Murkon is a very broad term lol do you mean the region? The original system? If you want me to add it to the list, I require the station name so I know which you are specifically referencing. Fide et honore.
(IC note: Vulxanis only responds to "Lord Draconis".) |
Jered Hakaaros
GeoCorp. Curatores Veritatis Alliance
68
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Posted - 2014.10.07 07:44:00 -
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I guess he means the Kaalakiota Corporation Factory at Tash-Murkon Prime II - Moon 1, which is pretty much the trade center there.
As for nullsec regions:
- YA0-XJ is of course the goonies trade center for Deklein, with Mittanigrad still being active as well. - 6V is still the hub in Fountain mainly for FA and allies. - F-Y be the trade center of Providence and the Provibloc. - GE-8JV is a new but pretty large trade hub for the Catch region and brave pilots. Of course the FAT hub there will never die too, as will the fighting hopefully. - Whoever goes to Wicked Creek someday and has the docking rights may find trade at 1L-OEK. - Vale of the Silent with the new Bastion Alliance prouds itself in TVN-FM. - In Branch with FCON there is the big PVP hub at CS-ZGD, with minor PVE hubs at 3F- and the D4R- pocket. - K-6 is of course here to stay as the Delve center of attraction.
There are some more ofc.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
13001
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Posted - 2014.10.07 08:41:00 -
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I miss Yulai
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Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
287
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:47:00 -
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So you're saying Jita is the only trade hub now.
You should get out more. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2504
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:50:00 -
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THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2504
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:54:00 -
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Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:Zach Lemmont wrote:Tash-murkon if i recall has a decently good market going for it, noticed it wasn't on your list Tash-Murkon is a very broad term lol do you mean the region? The original system? If you want me to add it to the list, I require the station name so I know which you are specifically referencing.
He means the system , tash is decent for casual traders as it doesn't have too much competition and has a healthy profit margin wich the traders amongst themselves keep that way unlike jita/rens/amarr .Offcourse for a buyer that means the market is reasonably expensive.
That said it also is a verry slow moving market but who knows it might get some more love over time.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
23874
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Posted - 2014.10.07 16:05:00 -
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pretending nobody knows where the trade hubs are. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
23874
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Posted - 2014.10.07 16:07:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Actually, with the latest industry changes I do believe that ... ... tradehubs will cease to excist within the next years ... ... and people will suddenly smarten up ... ... and start selling locally.
I do hope people will start using the direct trading feature more often. I never get to use it enough.
I think I might jsut start fitting catalysts for suicide ganking and give them away via direct trading. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Dinger
Task Force Delta-14
11
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:13:00 -
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Pre-jump drives hell even pre-warp to 0 you usually found decent trade hubs in station systems close to the pipe entries on the outer empire borders. Few that spring to mind:
Torrinos Orvolle Stacmon Malma Agil Esa Oimmo
All memorable in their own right. Then of course there was always the centre of the known universe, aka Yulai, but the upcoming changes won't bring that back, which probably isn't a bad thing since to my knowledge they still haven't rebuilt the main attraction there. |
San Ghasha
791
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Posted - 2014.10.07 19:42:00 -
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Perhaps I missed it, but I do not see anyone defining the term 'trade hub.' The discussion cannot be meaningful without clarifying terms. Yes, Jita will continue to be the trade center of EVE - but that has little bearing on the existence of other hubs. Relative Jita dominance is not mutually exclusive with other hubs. +ä+¦+ä+º+à +¦+ä+è+â+à |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5475
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Posted - 2014.10.08 03:45:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Vulxanis Viceroy wrote:Question, why level 4 agents? o.O Jc Same reason you rob a bank, that's where the money is. money = lvl 4 mission whores
Lazy L4 mission runners.
Consider that they're aiming to maintain 60M ISK/hr or better while they're logged in. Even the two jumps from Lanngisi to Hek is enough to justify buying ammo for 690/round in Lanngisi rather than 630/round in Hek. The time to switch ships, fly to Hek, fly back, unload and change ships again is wasted money. If it takes six minutes for the round trip but saves less than 6M ISK, why bother? Sure, the smarter mission runner will buy a bulk load of ammo once a month, but the rest will simply restock 10k of each flavour of cruise missile (for example) and then restock when they run out.
I imagine similar types of calculations apply to null sec ratters and PvPers: you want your ammo now, and the stuff two systems over is double the price of the stuff in Jita, but Jita is an hour away.
Where this breaks down is when you are buying a "basket of goods" and one out of the hundred items you want isn't available locally. If you're going to make the trip to Jita anyway, why not get everything while you're there and skip the local market?
The smarter buyers will post buy orders locally at slightly-higher-than-Jita prices in order to stimulate supply. Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
793
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Posted - 2014.10.08 06:40:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:lol Hek, the red headed stepchild of Jita.
Jita is the red headed step-child of Jita.
I can't wait t see the day when the only people in that system are all the scammer trolls just trolling each other all day long.
It will make the next Burn Jita event soooooo amazing. I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon |
Kuru
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:01:00 -
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I only buy locally-sourced organic modules |
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