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Sayaka Iwato
The Emporor's Legendary Blue Swans
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:01:00 -
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Greetings o/ I would like to discuss how wrong the new Burner missions are.... I got my first burner mission the other day, and lost a Vengeance and didnt get the KM from it.... But that doesnt matter i guess... what does matter is that this mission is damn near impossible. i fit my Vengeance as best i could, and yet still the guristas enemy was hitting me from 60km away, travelling at 3600m/s and wiped me out in 5 hits. i could not get anywhere near the guy to slow him down. with my MWD on, i could only get to 38km and he would find a way of keeping that range. i cant get anywhere near him, so how am i supposed to kill him? If your response is gona be - fit long range weapons, ive tried that too. it wont work, even if i can reach him with the range, its not enough DPS to break his tank. basically - the issue of this mission where you are limited and the enemy is overpowered to a point that makes it impossible. im not gonna be fast enough to get near him, and long range weapons will be tanked. So the guristas burner needs to be brought down a bit... or just declined permanently regards |
Solette Cheli
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:44:00 -
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Sayaka Iwato wrote:Greetings o/ I would like to discuss how wrong the new Burner missions are.... I got my first burner mission the other day, and lost a Vengeance and didnt get the KM from it.... But that doesnt matter i guess... what does matter is that this mission is damn near impossible. i fit my Vengeance as best i could, and yet still the guristas enemy was hitting me from 60km away, travelling at 3600m/s and wiped me out in 5 hits. i could not get anywhere near the guy to slow him down. with my MWD on, i could only get to 38km and he would find a way of keeping that range. i cant get anywhere near him, so how am i supposed to kill him? If your response is gona be - fit long range weapons, ive tried that too. it wont work, even if i can reach him with the range, its not enough DPS to break his tank. basically - the issue of this mission where you are limited and the enemy is overpowered to a point that makes it impossible. im not gonna be fast enough to get near him, and long range weapons will be tanked. So the guristas burner needs to be brought down a bit... or just declined permanently regards https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369477 They're supposed to be ehat hard, that's why you can freely decline them. |
Sayaka Iwato
The Emporor's Legendary Blue Swans
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Posted - 2014.10.04 00:57:00 -
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can decline freely.... for now... until they add them to the general mission base. then what? they are supposed to be hard, yes i agree. But damn near impossible? a guaranteed suicide mission everytime? come on, man! It has actually disappeared now anyways.... So ive just quit the mission. see if i get another one. i want to be able to complete the mission before they add it to the rest of the missions, you know... |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.04 01:01:00 -
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Lets see your fit.
Some insight can be found in the many threads here and in this article.
Also, where did you see any indication they will be moved to the normal mission pool? "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
Sayaka Iwato
The Emporor's Legendary Blue Swans
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Posted - 2014.10.04 01:14:00 -
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my first fitting was fairly simple: 4x rocket launcher II - Scourge fury rocket 1mn MWD II meta 3 web named scram small armor rep II Dark Blood Kinetic plating DCU II Ballistic control II Rigs: increase to missile velocity and a nano pump
Thats the one i lost, then i tried other fittings where i replaced the ballistic with a warp core stab I so i could actually get out. after buying a new ship ofc - i tried changing the rigs for kinetic resist, tried switching to light missiles, tried using a pvp buffer fit adding more armor.... and still would have died with the enemy @ 60km away. But i will view your link, thanks. |
Sayaka Iwato
The Emporor's Legendary Blue Swans
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Posted - 2014.10.04 01:25:00 -
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your link only shows people using deadspace/ officer fit frigates, i dont have any of that stuff, and i'll be damned if i fork out that much for those modules, still with a high chance of losing them. thats exactly what my argument is. These missions are designed to be hard - yes i get that, but be so hard that i will lose EVERY time without a doubt is pointless. I at least need to be able to get near the little PR1#K to slow him down. -Death at 60km is just unreal for a frigate fight. -3600m/s is also unreal for my ship to get near him.
what im saying, is that i dont even get to use any of my modules which doesnt even let me know if im dealing enough damage. its like a newbie jumping into a lowsec gate camp - he's lost before the fight even started! |
Sayaka Iwato
The Emporor's Legendary Blue Swans
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Posted - 2014.10.04 01:33:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Lets see your fit. Some insight can be found in the many threads here and in this article. Also, where did you see any indication they will be moved to the normal mission pool?
--> No indication necessary, my own logic tells me that if these missions are marked as a CCP success, chances are that they will be added to the general mission pool, eventually. you know, sometimes i make random predictions.... the trouble is that they are normally right. |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2014.10.04 01:53:00 -
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If you read the article it explains those are how not to fit your ship, but there is also good info it just takes a little bit of comprehension and thought.
Did you read the other threads in this forum? This has a plethora of info in it.
As for your assumption, there is not really any reason to speculate like that unless you just want to spread negativity. "PvE in EVE is a trap to turn you into PvP content, don't confuse it for actual gameplay." Lipbite |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:06:00 -
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See, in my mind, CCP missed a huge opportunity with the Burner missions. Your fit should be a great fit to run Burner missions - it's a good fit for a 1v1 PVP ship. Unfortunately, CCP chose to make these the frigate equivalent of high-end complexes - fit a deadspace tank and a fit that does not have a chance in PVP. Burner missions should be a way for players to practice using realistic PVP fits, not the abomination we have. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Sayaka Iwato
The Emporor's Legendary Blue Swans
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Posted - 2014.10.05 20:12:00 -
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Ok, i think i get what you're saying... current PVP fits you would expect as standard wont amount to anything in these.... but they use what would be Faction or officer fit... so for someone like me who is NOT going to pay for anything above T2... Basically its damn near impossible. Unless there is some fitting i could use that i have not yet thought of or tried, but it doesn't seem likely. the Guristas Burner puts the KIA on me @ 60km.... what 'non-faction' frigate can do that? ive tried buffer / resists / reps and none of them give me any more than 5-6 hits from him to die, before i even got close to him. i have recently turned down the Sansha one.... im just not sure what to do with them. I was thinking, maybe the sansha burner would fight closer so i cud try it, but then i still noted how quick i die. basically what im saying, is that these missions should be 'do-able' with T2. My trials so far, i have used the Vengeance AF. |
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Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.06 18:20:00 -
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Sayaka Iwato wrote:Ok, i think i get what you're saying... current PVP fits you would expect as standard wont amount to anything in these.... but they use what would be Faction or officer fit... so for someone like me who is NOT going to pay for anything above T2... Basically its damn near impossible. Unless there is some fitting i could use that i have not yet thought of or tried, but it doesn't seem likely. the Guristas Burner puts the KIA on me @ 60km.... what 'non-faction' frigate can do that? ive tried buffer / resists / reps and none of them give me any more than 5-6 hits from him to die, before i even got close to him. i have recently turned down the Sansha one.... im just not sure what to do with them. I was thinking, maybe the sansha burner would fight closer so i cud try it, but then i still noted how quick i die. basically what im saying, is that these missions should be 'do-able' with T2. My trials so far, i have used the Vengeance AF.
Get some friends to go with you. Either go expensive fit, or bring some friends along. Take a mobile depot along with you and some warp stabs. If see you aren't going to win, refit to the warp stabs and warp out. |
mostro
Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2014.10.06 18:35:00 -
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Do warp scrams work on burners? Turn off MWD I mean I don't think he will warp off :) |
Estella Osoka
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.06 21:42:00 -
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mostro wrote:Do warp scrams work on burners? Turn off MWD I mean I don't think he will warp off :)
Yes |
Energetic Monk
Wayforward Emergent Technologies
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:54:00 -
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Estella Osoka wrote:Sayaka Iwato wrote:Ok, i think i get what you're saying... current PVP fits you would expect as standard wont amount to anything in these.... but they use what would be Faction or officer fit... so for someone like me who is NOT going to pay for anything above T2... Basically its damn near impossible. Unless there is some fitting i could use that i have not yet thought of or tried, but it doesn't seem likely. the Guristas Burner puts the KIA on me @ 60km.... what 'non-faction' frigate can do that? ive tried buffer / resists / reps and none of them give me any more than 5-6 hits from him to die, before i even got close to him. i have recently turned down the Sansha one.... im just not sure what to do with them. I was thinking, maybe the sansha burner would fight closer so i cud try it, but then i still noted how quick i die. basically what im saying, is that these missions should be 'do-able' with T2. My trials so far, i have used the Vengeance AF. Get some friends to go with you. Either go expensive fit, or bring some friends along. Take a mobile depot along with you and some warp stabs. If see you aren't going to win, refit to the warp stabs and warp out.
Actually you don't need a depot if you're able to tank the incoming DPS, there's a way to escape if you just think a bit and know how the grid works.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:07:00 -
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afaik the guristas burner only does kinetic damage, so I'd try 2 kinetic hardeners. No idea if the vengeance is fast enough to catch it, but maybe try putting an overdrive in the last low slot and overloading your mwd for a few cycles? Hmm just pulled the vengeance up in EFT, thing looks pretty slow. don't know if it can even catch the guristas burner. Also the DPS just seems low
From what I remember reading the vengeance is good for killing the Angel burner. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn |
Bastion Arzi
Simply Wild. Amnesia.
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Posted - 2014.10.07 08:27:00 -
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i tried catching the worm burner in a vengeance. it blapped me in 4 -5 hits and i didnt catch it at all. i was oh my mwd and had rigs for speed and overdrive i think.
u prolly need snake implants |
Pookoko
Sigma Sagittarii Inc.
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Posted - 2014.10.11 18:23:00 -
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Burner missions are do-able in right assault frigates for each type, without officer or faction mods. For example, Vengeance is a pretty standard ship now for fighting Angel burner (although not in your fit) and my first burner mission vs. Worm was done in an Enyo with overdrive mods.
Racial T2 resists actually make Assault Frigates a safer bet versus burner rats in terms of tank. The rest is just about getting the right fit for the range/speed/utility vs. each specific type. |
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