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Dr Heizenberg
Regicide and Sororitas
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Posted - 2014.10.05 13:45:00 -
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A lot of players and personally i'm are hating "new and wonderful" changes in each patch . So an idea - mb after each new patch pilots could reapply skillpoints, wasted on l5 skills ? a lot of cap pilots with lvl5 jump drive calibration and many other skills wasted will find this solution appropriate. why should we suffer from ccp "great ideas" ? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 13:46:00 -
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define "a lot of players".
and no. =]I[= |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
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Posted - 2014.10.05 13:48:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:define "a lot of players". and no.
Pretty much this. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.05 13:57:00 -
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Dr Heizenberg wrote: a lot of cap pilots with lvl5 jump drive calibration and many other skills wasted will find this solution appropriate. JDC 5 isn't wasted.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.05 14:00:00 -
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.10.05 14:03:00 -
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You could just keep podding yourself until the skills are gone and start training up from your clean slate again. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Mashie Saldana
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.05 14:05:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:You could just keep podding yourself until the skills are gone and start training up from your clean slate again.
That's a pretty good idea. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.05 14:37:00 -
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I've always thought you should have respecs, like any other game. Game mechanics change, new equipment, play style. Many start as an industrial toon, let them go to pvp if they want.
Yea, you can buy a character, not something i'd do. You lose the feeling of your toon growing up, and where it's been and done, rep with different factions, etc.
Would hardly be any different than buying / selling toons, i really don't see much difference.
I believe it's just one more way they stifle their game. Not my paycheck though. |
Christopher Mabata
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2014.10.05 14:55:00 -
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if i took the SP i wasted in mining skills and re-applied it i could be sitting in a titan in 3 days roughly.
Doing something like this also makes no sense lore wise, as you learned a specific set of skills to do a specific job flying a mining barge and flying an ishtar are not even relatively close together so skills acquired from said mining barge will probably never carry over to the ishtar save for basic handling skills you would already have
oh and No If you don't keep up to date on the upcoming changes, you may as well be living under a rokh.I would even Venture to say that was a good pun on my partStay beautiful o7 |
Fred P
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:22:00 -
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Dr Heizenberg wrote:why should we suffer from ccp "great ideas" ?
Because you choose to play CCP's game.
If you don't want to "suffer", you can always just leave. It's just a game. |
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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:25:00 -
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Would only agree with OP partially, as I was just looking at Navigation skills since I was going to go freighter than jump freighter for the trade alt. Probably not at this point, but at least re-look at the multiplier for some of the skills and refunding part of it after reducing it lower....basically you are down grading from a Ferrari for fast speed to get across the map to driving a big ass Hummer with poor gas mileage, the parking brake on, and three flat tires since CCP is now forcing the ships to slow down + the player character acts like a speed bump (fatigue timer) just because they don't like how null sec is and whiney players who don't fly caps don't like getting dropped by capital ships. Bigger gap in that 25% increase in distance skill from 4 to 5 level skill to get to 5 light years than when it would cap out at 15 to get anywhere if you where at 4 compared to 5
CCP created, players utilized what they where given, now nobody likes it now....its not like the game mechanics where being broken, it was risk-adverse players (the whiners) who kept getting stomped by the big guys just because the big guys could use the mechanics more freely. I do remember Hulk pilots whining about getting stomped few years ago, not much was done for them....hardly see hulks anymore as its just easer to replace cheaper retrievers and coveters.
At least give them a partial break, HTFU yourselves and sympathize a little bit...it is hugely game changing thing to just suddenly add speed bump fatigue and cut the distance down available to jump with the only counter benefiting CCP by increasing subs, plexing accounts, and buying new pilots. Old players didn't change anything, its just the whiners couldn't adapt to build their own large fleets to beat down the big guys who where already the leaders of the pack. |
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
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Posted - 2014.10.05 15:57:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Would only agree with OP partially, as I was just looking at Navigation skills since I was going to go freighter than jump freighter for the trade alt. Probably not at this point, but at least re-look at the multiplier for some of the skills and refunding part of it after reducing it lower....basically you are down grading from a Ferrari for fast speed to get across the map to driving a big ass Hummer with poor gas mileage, the parking brake on, and three flat tires since CCP is now forcing the ships to slow down + the player character acts like a speed bump (fatigue timer) just because they don't like how null sec is and whiney players who don't fly caps don't like getting dropped by capital ships. Bigger gap in that 25% increase in distance skill from 4 to 5 level skill to get to 5 light years than when it would cap out at 15 to get anywhere if you where at 4 compared to 5
CCP created, players utilized what they where given, now nobody likes it now....its not like the game mechanics where being broken, it was risk-adverse players (the whiners) who kept getting stomped by the big guys just because the big guys could use the mechanics more freely. I do remember Hulk pilots whining about getting stomped few years ago, not much was done for them....hardly see hulks anymore as its just easer to replace cheaper retrievers and coveters.
At least give them a partial break, HTFU yourselves and sympathize a little bit...it is hugely game changing thing to just suddenly add speed bump fatigue and cut the distance down available to jump with the only counter benefiting CCP by increasing subs, plexing accounts, and buying new pilots. Old players didn't change anything, its just the whiners couldn't adapt to build their own large fleets to beat down the big guys who where already the leaders of the pack.
In other words, adapt or die...unless you are the one impacted, in which case, adapt or whine. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
282
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Posted - 2014.10.05 16:57:00 -
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Fred P wrote:Dr Heizenberg wrote:why should we suffer from ccp "great ideas" ? Because you choose to play CCP's game. If you don't want to "suffer", you can always just leave. It's just a game.
That and never sub for more than a month at a time. |
Hengle Teron
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:04:00 -
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Why would that apply only to skills affected in changes ?
I want to reapply all my wasted skills that I trained before I knew what I was doing... |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:07:00 -
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I am all out of tear buckets, but I found an empty whine glass to use for this thread.
To all the goons and CFC still crying over the proposed power projection changes: CCP is not trying to ruin the game, they are trying to ruin your game. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:17:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:I am all out of tear buckets, but I found an empty whine glass to use for this thread. i have enough to start selling =]I[= |
Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
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Posted - 2014.10.05 17:21:00 -
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I'm too sexy for this thread.... oh... damn.... what was the question again ?
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:43:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Doc Fury wrote:I am all out of tear buckets, but I found an empty whine glass to use for this thread. i have enough to start selling
Oh man, that's funny. Here, have all my up votes.
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-andrew I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:49:00 -
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OP if you have a moros you don't want anymore I will happily take it off your hands. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
S'Way
Bitter Vets
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:56:00 -
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Reapplying skillpoints would eliminate the need for alts in a lot of situations. Who would spend months on a sub to train alts for specialist things when you could just change your main (for less even if it cost a PLEX or two).....doesn't make a lot of financial sense for CCP to do.
That's without the fact it would change wars and intel.....part of the game is learning who can fly what ships against you.
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Dave Stark
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:23:00 -
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just like every single whining cretin who didn't like a change that affected them...
no you can't have an SP refund. stop whining. |
Vyl Vit
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:26:00 -
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OP: You've got to be kidding.
Rather: Make good decisions. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2014.10.05 22:02:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:I've always thought you should have respecs, like any other game. Game mechanics change, new equipment, play style. Many start as an industrial toon, let them go to pvp if they want.
Yea, you can buy a character, not something i'd do. You lose the feeling of your toon growing up, and where it's been and done, rep with different factions, etc.
Would hardly be any different than buying / selling toons, i really don't see much difference.
I believe it's just one more way they stifle their game. Not my paycheck though.
other games your character can only play a rather specific role or two. The penalty for making a mistake as a noob would be too high. Imagine that extra point you put into something as a noob is a wasted skill point out of the limited number your character can ever earn. not to mention how often devs make dramatic changes fairly randomly.
In eve, I just switch ships, and most of my skills carryover, plus all the highly specialized skills I have also trained on top. I have JDC 5, and I've never even owned a cap. My alt has a bunch of industry skills that I almost never use. Maybe getting those refunded would be nice, maybe I will eventually want to use them, I don't really know right now, but either way I have them and I still have everything else I've ever trained. I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.06 00:08:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:other games your character can only play a rather specific role or two. The penalty for making a mistake as a noob would be too high. Imagine that extra point you put into something as a noob is a wasted skill point out of the limited number your character can ever earn. not to mention how often devs make dramatic changes fairly randomly.
In eve, I just switch ships, and most of my skills carryover, plus all the highly specialized skills I have also trained on top. I have JDC 5, and I've never even owned a cap. My alt has a bunch of industry skills that I almost never use. Maybe getting those refunded would be nice, maybe I will eventually want to use them, I don't really know right now, but either way I have them and I still have everything else I've ever trained. I agree.
A few years ago I wanted to form a Low/Null Sec Exploration Team so I bought and trained all the skills required to operate a Black Ops ship. Some of the basic skills required to pilot a Black Ops ship is Jump Drive Calibration IV (407,294 SP's) and Jump Drive Operation V (1,280,000 SP's). Since those skills were being trained, it was also a good idea to at least train Jump Fuel Conservation IV (362,039 SP's), which I did.
Those 3 skills total 2,049,333 SP's. That doesn't amount to very much when compared to my total amount of skills and points (271 skills trained for a total of 120,082,970 SP's). I'd like to point out that even though I bought a Black Ops ship, I've never flown it nor did a fit up on it. For years now it's just been sitting in the same station where it was originally purchased.
Was that a waste of time and ISK? In my opinion the answer is no. I consider those to be an asset that's available for me to use whenever needed.
Just like the 6 Production skills I have trained for a total of 2,091,799 SP's.
Just like the 26 Resource Processing skills I have trained for a total of 4,490,275 SP's.
Just like the 27 Science skills I have trained for a total of 6,876,089 SP's.
Just like the 10 Leadership skills I have trained for a total of 5,718,589 SP's.
Just like the 4 Neural Enhancement skills I have trained for a total of 1,762,275 SP's.
The list goes on and on.
There's plenty of skills I rarely ever use and could probably benefit having those SP's placed elsewhere. Even if that option was available I still wouldn't do it. Every once in a while the need for those skills arises and whenever that happens, I'm glad I've already got them trained.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20877
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Posted - 2014.10.06 00:54:00 -
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Dr Heizenberg wrote:SP refund/reallocation thread #31415927
Firstly F&I is that way
Secondly no
The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
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Slicr
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:03:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:define "a lot of players". and no.
How about you define it seeing how you seen worried about it? lol I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Slicr
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:04:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:You could just keep podding yourself until the skills are gone and start training up from your clean slate again.
Your logic is outstanding - you could also think of the lost skill time wasted as a contribution to the CCP fund I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Slicr
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:06:00 -
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Christopher Mabata wrote:if i took the SP i wasted in mining skills and re-applied it i could be sitting in a titan in 3 days roughly.
Doing something like this also makes no sense lore wise, as you learned a specific set of skills to do a specific job flying a mining barge and flying an ishtar are not even relatively close together so skills acquired from said mining barge will probably never carry over to the ishtar save for basic handling skills you would already have
oh and No
Lore wise? nobody tell him that this is a game (and there is no Santa Clause) I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Slicr
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:07:00 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Fred P wrote:Dr Heizenberg wrote:why should we suffer from ccp "great ideas" ? Because you choose to play CCP's game. If you don't want to "suffer", you can always just leave. It's just a game. That and never sub for more than a month at a time.
Agree 100% - that is what I have done - and now it is isk for plex all the way until it runs out
I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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Slicr
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:10:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:I am all out of tear buckets, but I found an empty whine glass to use for this thread.
Well if you quit crying about others' posts, you would have more than enough :) I believe in being Pro-Active as Opposed to Reactive. Reactive tends to be more costly in time and money.
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