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Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:01:00 -
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As a newish player (2 months in), it just made sense for me to dabble around in a few games aspects just to build up my general foundation of knowledge. Things I might spend SP on now might be considered wasted down the road, but whatever.
Now, I was just taking a look at clone replacement costs: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Clone
If I am one year in, my clone replacement cost would be 1M ISK. A 2 year player would be 3.3M ISK. Now, if I wanted to goof around with small-ship PvP (say FW with frigates), that clone replacement cost becomes a significant portion of your overall loss when you get blown up.
I guess what that is telling me is that I shouldn't be using my main for frequent death PvP and that I should develop lower skill alts and cap them once I develop the perfect skill allocation for the ship I want to fly.
Am I overthinking this? Maybe ISK will be falling out of the sky down the road where this is an inconsequential consideration, but I don't want to blunder along with how I am skilling if this is an inappropriate approach.
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Azda Ja
BUMP POW
289
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:17:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote: Am I overthinking this?
Yes .
I'm not much older than you but the only time I've lost pods are: intentionally (to get home faster after roaming quite far from my home) and different flavors of screwing up, be it pressing the wrong button, not pressing it in time, not aligning my ship out as I'm dying (so that my pod is aligned and ready to insta warp once the ship is destroyed), or trying to dock at a trade hub while flashy.
I haven't spent much time in null, and nearly lost my pod there during a roam, but I believe that is where the majority of pod deaths occur, due to bubbles and such. If you're just looking to do some frigate pvp, go into low-sec and enjoy, just exercise caution, and be prepared to spam the warp button BEFORE your ship explodes.
Pod deaths should be rare, especially in lowsec. I was particularly peeved yesterday since I managed to catch one (I had a scram on it, at least that's what the client was telling me), but the server decided to deny me my enemy's corpse.
Hope that reassures you some. "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10541
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:18:00 -
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I am not spendable!! :O
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Yes, you are overthinking this. Clones were much more expensive not too long ago. It is actually really hard to lose a capsule outside of nullsec and if you do it was your own fault in absolutely most cases.
Hint: Click a celestial and spam warp at a rate of three per second before your ship explodes. It will instawarp out when your ship exploded.
Your implant costs would be a much greater issue here ... ... unless you plan to fight (PvP is more than shipcombat!) without implants ... ... which will give others an upper hand. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Please send Dave Stark a mail and tell him that Sol said Hi! Thanks! |
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
136
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:26:00 -
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Right, I had a brain fart making this post. Ship death does not equal clone death. Alright, back to my football. |
Azda Ja
BUMP POW
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:28:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:Right, I had a brain fart making this post. Ship death does not equal clone death. Alright, back to my football.
Cerebral flatulence happens to us all, especially in EVE. o7 "I only lose ships when I fly with Azda." - Barry Cuttlefish |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10541
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:29:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:Right, I had a brain fart making this post. Ship death does not equal clone death. Alright, back to my football. Unless you fly into a disco/pipebomb .... .... where the differences vanish in a big ball of Light..... I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. Check out the newest and sexiest in New Eden Fashion! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=374461&find=unread Please send Dave Stark a mail and tell him that Sol said Hi! Thanks! |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5562
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:34:00 -
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http://evedarklord.blogspot.ca/2014/06/getting-your-pod-out.html =]I[= |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6260
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:34:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:As a newish player (2 months in), it just made sense for me to dabble around in a few games aspects just to build up my general foundation of knowledge. Things I might spend SP on now might be considered wasted down the road, but whatever. Good man.
Just FYI... skillpoints that you don't use are not "wasted"... you merely do not have a purpose for them at the moment.
For example: when I was a nubbin I trained to use mining barges. I discovered very quickly that I HATED mining. So I abandoned the skill tree and went full PvP. Years later, when mining barges were rebalanced, I discovered that you can make a pretty cool "bait ship" using one of the mining barges. I bought a few and have had some laughs killing people (and being killed) with them. I also make some stuff using the ore I mine while acting as "bait."
Charax Bouclier wrote:If I am one year in, my clone replacement cost would be 1M ISK. A 2 year player would be 3.3M ISK. Now, if I wanted to goof around with small-ship PvP (say FW with frigates), that clone replacement cost becomes a significant portion of your overall loss when you get blown up.
I guess what that is telling me is that I shouldn't be using my main for frequent death PvP and that I should develop lower skill alts and cap them once I develop the perfect skill allocation for the ship I want to fly. This is my main character. I have about ~102 million skillpoints and my clone cost is about ~30+ million per death. I still PvP regularly.
The thing you have to consider is that as you develop your "player skills" (not "character skills") you learn how to get your pod out of danger quicker. Of course... this is in low-sec and high-sec. In null-sec it will be MUCH trickier because of Area of Effect warp disruption bubbles.
Another thing to consider is that as you get better at escaping from pod death, you can use very expensive implant sets to augment your abilities... so expensive in fact that the cost of new clone will be the last thing you will be upset about. The same applies for ships too.
Charax Bouclier wrote:Am I overthinking this? Maybe ISK will be falling out of the sky down the road where this is an inconsequential consideration, but I don't want to blunder along with how I am skilling if this is an inappropriate approach. ISK doesn't fall out of the sky... but it isn't that hard to get either. At least... not at your level. Just do what you need to do to secure an income and then goes "balls-to-the-wall." PvPing as a newbie is the cheapest PvP will ever be during your time here in EVE. Just expect to die a lot at first. Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4652
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:49:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:As a newish player (2 months in), it just made sense for me to dabble around in a few games aspects just to build up my general foundation of knowledge. Things I might spend SP on now might be considered wasted down the road, but whatever. Now, I was just taking a look at clone replacement costs: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/CloneIf I am one year in, my clone replacement cost would be 1M ISK. A 2 year player would be 3.3M ISK. Now, if I wanted to goof around with small-ship PvP (say FW with frigates), that clone replacement cost becomes a significant portion of your overall loss when you get blown up. I guess what that is telling me is that I shouldn't be using my main for frequent death PvP and that I should develop lower skill alts and cap them once I develop the perfect skill allocation for the ship I want to fly. Am I overthinking this? Maybe ISK will be falling out of the sky down the road where this is an inconsequential consideration, but I don't want to blunder along with how I am skilling if this is an inappropriate approach.
What.
I always PvP on my main, even after 4 years of skilling...
You just learn to take (occasional) clone updates as a cost factor of your PvP.
Seriously, stop overthinking it. In 1 years a clone might be 1 mil, but seriously, if by 1 year of gaming you can't easily make 1 mil...you really should try something else.
Just 1 hour of mission running covers my clone update costs for months....if I needed to, but there are many "passive" ways to make ISK. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar |
Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
137
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Posted - 2014.10.05 18:54:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote: Just FYI... skillpoints that you don't use are not "wasted"... you merely do not have a purpose for them at the moment.
Right, absent my brain fart, if you had to replace your clone with every ship loss, and clone costs were significant, I would then expect to see very specialized clones with a very careful eye on whether particular skills are worth investing into. A moot point now so I can continue to blunder along with my whimsical skill "plan". |
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6260
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Posted - 2014.10.05 19:01:00 -
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If it helps you any... "How did you Veterans Start?" Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20877
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Posted - 2014.10.06 01:05:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Charax Bouclier wrote:Right, I had a brain fart making this post. Ship death does not equal clone death. Alright, back to my football. Unless you fly into a disco/pipebomb .... .... where the differences vanish in a big ball of Light..... Case in point, Space Perverts having a lowsec disco, and Rooks and Kings infamous pipebombing campaigns The difference between a carebear and a bear is that one expects the world to revolve around them, the other accepts the world for what it is and works around it.
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
891
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Posted - 2014.10.07 13:16:00 -
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You shouldn-Št lose a Pod in Hi-Sec or Lo-Sec under normal circumstances.
Ideally, one of your Overview-Tabs is a "Podsaver", showing only Planets and POCOs (not the Sun); when you see you are going down, switch to it, select a random location and start clicking on the "Warp To" button - do not spam it as this is by some accounts counterproductive - just click it. This should get your Pod to safety. The only way you should die is due to lag, brain-freezing or smartbomb camps, the last one more of a travel than PvP hazard (and actually rare except for some notorious systems). Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
452
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Posted - 2014.10.07 22:54:00 -
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Just make sure you upgrade the clone after you get podded.
By the time clones get truly expensive, your definition of the word will have changed with it.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4232
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Posted - 2014.10.08 07:49:00 -
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Charax Bouclier wrote:Am I overthinking this? Maybe ISK will be falling out of the sky down the road where this is an inconsequential consideration, but I don't want to blunder along with how I am skilling if this is an inappropriate approach. Clone-grade Upsilon here. That's 31.5m ISK per medical clone.
I just gave a rookie 25m ISK, and I feel guilty for being so cheap.
A typical price for a HAC hull without fittings is around 180 million ISK.
Don't worry about ISK. There are many ways to earn it; you just have to find one you are good at, and like doing (make earning ISK fun, not a job). Even if you are a total failure at earning ISK, you can always pay cash for a PLEX and sell it for ISK. |
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