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Mattias Uta
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:31:00 -
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Hello there, i and a friend are looking to start a small POS in a C1 and this is one question that has been bugging me for a while. Is creating a corp required for both of us to use the POS? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:33:00 -
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Should be. =]I[= |
Mattias Uta
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:36:00 -
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I hoped to avoid it if i could, but i can't see any way a POS would recognize an ally and give them shared access without using a corp to give them some status. Thanks. |
voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:38:00 -
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You would probably want to create a corp for both the people.
Strictly speaking the answer is no as the friend could be in an NPC corp and would only need to know the forcefield password to get inside the shields.
However, that isn't really a lot of use as they can't do anything inside the shields and you would probably want them to be able to access cans, hangars, ship maintenance arrays, man the pos guns or whatever.
Also, in the same corp you can share bookmarks through the corp bookmarks folder which is going to be very useful. I can only think of one rather obscure reason for not being in the same corp and it is massively outweighed by the reasons to be in the same corp IMO. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4666
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:41:00 -
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Mattias Uta wrote:Hello there, i and a friend are looking to start a small POS in a C1 and this is one question that has been bugging me for a while. Is creating a corp required for both of us to use the POS?
Well, let me explain:
A control tower is "Launched for corporation"
AND
A control tower is considered a "corporate asset" not personal asset
AND
You need certain corporate roles to be able to use the POS
Now, you use a little power of deduction...you should be able to answer it yourself.
Now if both of you want to access everything in the POS, you both need to be in the same corp and have the relevant access rights (if it is a TRUE friend in RL, CEO + Director combo will do).
If it is just access to the forcefield, a POS can be set up to let friendlies in. And of course anybody with the forcefield password can enter it. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar |
Mattias Uta
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:42:00 -
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My only hopes were to avoid any potential war dec early on, but i agree that this is one small issue and you have listed the reasons why it would be better to create one, thanks. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:46:00 -
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Mattias Uta wrote:My only hopes were to avoid any potential war dec early on, but i agree that this is one small issue and you have listed the reasons why it would be better to create one, thanks.
Ooh, you are one of those guys, who are being spoon fed by NPC hiding cry babies that feed you the incorrect info that every new small corp is instantly wardecced.
Heads up...it isn't.
I know more then 20 new(-ish) corps aswel as several that are 4+ year old corps with NO war history at all.
Corps that get wardecced, made a target of themself in one way or another. Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
6264
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Posted - 2014.10.06 17:53:00 -
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Mattias Uta wrote:My only hopes were to avoid any potential war dec early on, but i agree that this is one small issue and you have listed the reasons why it would be better to create one, thanks. Don't worry about it. If you are spending most of your time in a wormhole then the last thing you will be concerned with is a war dec.
Instead... you will be fighting for your life in the wormhole you choose to settle in (combat rules are just like 0.0 space). If you survive, you will laugh at anyone who war decs you (because of how easy it is to deal with it compared to a wormhole). Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?" |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
619
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Posted - 2014.10.06 21:23:00 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Don't worry about it. If you are spending most of your time in a wormhole then the last thing you will be concerned with is a war dec.. This. War decs serve no purpose in wormhole space. Anyone that sees you will shoot you anyway. www.ensignyooch.wordpress.com
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10661
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Posted - 2014.10.06 21:53:00 -
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Look ... the way this works now is that someone ... ... not me ... ... will try to locate you as soon as you're logged in.
This someone will keep doing so until the locator finally tells that you're somewhere locateable.
Then this person will most likely use an interceptor ... ... like a Stiletto, I call it lovingly "Flying Shoe" ... ... to move to that system ... ... most likely with a probe launcher equipped.
The person in question will check if you are in local ... ... or will find you, as you can't really be that far off.
The locator can keep running anyway.
The person in question will then scan down all the wormholes in that system.
Then the person knows your wormhole ... ... just by following you.
The rest is trivial.
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Haedonism Bot
Revolutionary Front
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:07:00 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Don't worry about it. If you are spending most of your time in a wormhole then the last thing you will be concerned with is a war dec.. This. War decs serve no purpose in wormhole space. Anyone that sees you will shoot you anyway.
The only effect that wardecs have on wormholers would be if you do a lot of running around in highsec for logistics. If you are in a 2 man corp living in a wormhole, it's extremely unlikely that anyone would ever bother to wardec you anyway, unless you really go out of your way to act like assholes.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:53:00 -
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Mattias Uta wrote:My only hopes were to avoid any potential war dec early on, but i agree that this is one small issue and you have listed the reasons why it would be better to create one, thanks. In my experience...
You will be wardec'd at some point.
You will be wardec'd often if you do something to deserve it (like AFK hauling).
Most wardecs are for targets-of-opportunity, so don't be one.
Nobody really wants to shoot at a control tower, especially not in hisec, and especially not a large one. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2014.10.06 22:54:00 -
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Uhm the great thing about wormholes is that wardeccers would actually have to find you first, and there's no such thing as non-legal agression in wormhole space itself. You sit in your bubble castle raking in salvage while the peasants scram for your name in Jita. Solution: don't go to Jita. Heck even I feel too leet to enter that cesspool to illiterate spam, and I'm hardly an examplar on good behaviour. Carefully (cloaky) export your goods and let some couriers take care of your logistics, don't be a cheapskate and your stuff will move across New Eden relatively fast. Just pack sandwitches for a week and you will be fine. Don't forget to fuel the POS!
Starting a 2-man corp with a friend is a great experience, especially if you can make it grow and prosper. Don't be fooled by the naysayers but do make sure you know everything there is to know about corp management. Consult the wiki's and be conservative with handing out rights. Good luck! |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
665
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Posted - 2014.10.07 03:57:00 -
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Mattias Uta wrote:I hoped to avoid it if i could, but i can't see any way a POS would recognize an ally and give them shared access without using a corp to give them some status. Thanks.
you can set a password and then anyone with the password can get inside the shields. That is a fairly limited benefit, but can be useful.
and as said, lol wars. I mean if you want to sit there and grind missions or mine all day in highsec then a war is a problem, but as said unless you make yourself a target people probably won't even notice you. My alt corp is over 5 years old and has 0 wars, I almost exclusively mission run, mine, and haul with its members. I've also been pretty busy IRL and not playing a lot, so that probably only helps. But on Chainsaw I forum post and mission run most of the time, and no one ever seems to care to wardec me (well IDLE EMPIRE, but I'm pretty much the only one left). although right now that wouldn't even matter as I'm -10 I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.07 10:57:00 -
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Mattias Uta wrote:My only hopes were to avoid any potential war dec early on, but i agree that this is one small issue and you have listed the reasons why it would be better to create one, thanks. There's 2 sides to a coin and everyone here is only posting 1 side.
Despite what others have posted, you're correct in being very cautious about setting up a POS.
I know quite a few newly formed 1 or 2 member player corps that were quickly WarDec'd by larger player corps, purely done for Griefing and Kill Mail whoring. If the newly formed small player corp had a POS, that quickly became the first and usually the only casualty of the WarDec.
This happens a lot in high sec and if anyone says otherwise, they're lying. Sure there's small player corps that are 'Under The Radar' and never get WarDec'd but that's a small group.
Anyway, since you're planning on anchoring a POS in a W-hole, you can expect 'Open Season' on it without being WarDec'd. However since it is a W-hole, the POS won't be easily found and more importantly, it won't be easily accessible.
Good luck to you.
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
275
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Posted - 2014.10.07 11:19:00 -
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Inxentas Ultramar wrote:
Carefully (cloaky) export your goods and let some couriers take care of your logistics, don't be a cheapskate and your stuff will move across New Eden relatively fast. Just pack sandwitches for a week and you will be fine. Don't forget to fuel the POS!
That's some good advice. Alot of people haul their own stuff around and while it means you save a bit of isk you can sink alot of time into it without realising. Stockpile your PI stuff from the wormhole and after dropping it in high sec pay a courier to take the time and risk of hauling it for you, some people actually enjoy that.
Although Solstice is right in what he says above about being able to find people easily if you know how, as others have said above, if you don't make yourself a target by smack talking in local, scamming on a character that can be traced back to you, being a **** etc you shouldn't have to worry too much about war decs although they can happen to anyone.
A friend of mine recently got evicted from his wormhole but on the plus side he had been there for a couple of years without any hassle and he probably only got the attention because there were multiple ship arrays in the hole and anyone could guesstimate from Eve-who and a bit of research that he wasn't going be a tough target.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1546
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Posted - 2014.10.07 22:41:00 -
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Here is a tip on how to not get wardecced: be respectfull in all communications and don't get baited into a fountain of tears when you lose. In other words, respect the guy that comes to kill your POS eventually and embrace the experience. You end up knowing all about POS reinforcement cycles with firsthand experience, and that will serve you better then any SP investment. With some luck and a little discipline you make a return on your investments, if you get hammered before that time you simply weren't ready. Try again later, and wisen up in the meantime. It's a complex game, give yourself time to get good.
I have had control over whole systems' tax and moongoo taken away from me. Two or three times... and there will be a time when I will have lost count. It's just a game and I like the part where you have to scheme and plot and bleed ISK, because that's what makes your victories mean something. And if you really really want something, you'll find a way. Just get damn well aquianted with roles and titles. Corps can take a beating from the outside, but are a house of cards from within sometimes.
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