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Wolfgang Kyosuke
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:26:00 -
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You can have my space axe! (if I remember to log in after work today) |
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CCP Falcon
9105
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:45:00 -
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Guillome Renard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:I have a question, if I may ...
Will we get to see stats about which faction has the lead, a day before end? Or would you think this will skew the outcome?
Thanks! CCP Fozzie has said that he will be releasing numbers as the drive goes on. I will do the same. Whenever he releases numbers, I will release numbers as well.
I'll be releasing the first wave of numbers tomorrow
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
115
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:50:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: ...We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, ...
I hope it's what i'm thinking Well, what do you think it is? Lets get some rampant speculation going! The forums are never fun without it! I'm hoping it's a surprise ship. I didn't particularly enjoy the "choose your gift!" option from a few years ago. I guess I just like surprise gifts. As for last year, the Yule Lads were pretty cool even if the gifts were silly things like launchers and fedos and carbon. I did like those prototype ships quite a bit....they're cool at least. So here's to hoping. :) CCP RedDawn:Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty..||| CCP Goliath:I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. ||| CCP Goliath:http://goo.gl/PKGDPZ |
Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
992
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Posted - 2014.10.08 15:51:00 -
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It's at times like this I wish I didn't waste all my ISK on clothes... Sorry State, I'm poor now. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
I post on my main... shocking I know! |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2475
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:23:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote: However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful? CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath |
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Fonac
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
67
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:29:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Seismic Stan wrote: However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
The fact that Everyone Talks about it.
That it gives a nice reward. - i'm not sure what the reward / new tech will be, but i dont hope it's some kind of vanity thing that for me is useless. (which is why i dont dare enter this) ...
I must admit i think the fact that we have to donate isk to an event, is shallow.. Now if forexample it was an event where he had to find secret sites, or some kind of secret ore(for those that mine) ... well that would be something.
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Steven Hackett
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
85
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:38:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Seismic Stan wrote: However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful? That it shapes or have an impact on the history of EVE That is appeals to a large number of players That it's possible to be a part of it without having to be on at a specific time, follow badly communicated directions in a TiDI hell. That there are no prize awarded winners. (If you have to lure the pilots out with great rewards (Devfleet, Im looking at you), you have already failed making a good event.)
And finaly, that the event is flexible and able to swallow what the capsuleers throw at it. I don't care much for roleplay myself, but I can imagine that the roleplayers feels bad about being forced to work for a faction that obviously manipulates and abuses the capsuleers without the option to rebel against the system. The participants should be able to take whatever option they choose and the event should be able to react on that choice and shape the universe after it. That is in the end. at least for me, the entire idea of a live event. To give the players the option to shape the lore/history/universe with their actions. (and no pre-decided Luminaire stuff, then you might as well not make the live event and make it a scenery instead.)
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Turelus
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
992
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:38:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Seismic Stan wrote: However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
For me it's anything where I feel we as the players can actually change the outcome, unlike events like Caldari Prime where one side was written in to win and we just showed up to watch. I wasn't around in what many consider the glory days of CCP Live Events (Aurora?) but much of what I heard was they were often smaller scale random events which had an ideal outcome but if things went off the rails CCP just rolled with it.
I really loved the Gurista's event a couple of years ago where we had random intel here and there and had to piece it all together ourselves, The live Events channel and other RP channels worked together or against each other to solve the mysteries involved. Laterly CCP events have been more about getting thousands of players in one place shooting something, with everything being clearly announced and laid out days in advance. The problem with the later is that all we ever see is power-blocs with no interest in RP or lore turning up just to troll everyone, you can say this is what the sandbox is about and it's all player interaction sure, but I think working towards the audience who care for and want to drive the lore forwards is better than those who just want to mess with people or ruin the events.
Svetlana Scarlet made a lot of really good points in her TMC article last year.
Edit: Also anything where I can see my personal, corporation or alliance name in a news article afterwards as a party helping the State is a nice nod of the head towards my part in events. Lieutenant Turelus Caldari Independent Navy Reserve The Fourth District
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Guillome Renard
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
49
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Posted - 2014.10.08 16:39:00 -
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Fonac wrote:CCP Goliath wrote:
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
The fact that Everyone Talks about it. That it gives a nice reward. - i'm not sure what the reward / new tech will be, but i dont hope it's some kind of vanity thing that for me is useless. (which is why i dont dare enter this) ... I must admit i think the fact that we have to donate isk to an event, is shallow.. Now if forexample it was an event where he had to find secret sites, or some kind of secret ore(for those that mine) ... well that would be something.
I add to this: That it creates stories that players tell about 'that one time we...'
Remember that time that we started doing player-driven research and actually got to be at the helm of the lore machine? Remember that time we learned how to navigate wormholes and build empires that have no fixed geography?
A good Live Event leaves players with a sense of accomplishment and community. It leaves players feeling like they DID something. The Jita riots? That was a good live event, cynicism aside. The shattered monument is something people can point to.
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Corben Arctus
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
20
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Posted - 2014.10.08 19:26:00 -
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Rise up, fellow capsuleers. Don't buy into the empires' bullshit.
I'm risking MY butt to get those sleeper parts; I am fighting those remorseless machines to profit from their remains.
If the empires want that stuff, why don't they come in here and get it themselves?
And if they do... they should tell me their J-sig. I might come and... help them.
[/rp] don't be fools, give the stuff to my buddy Guillome. You won't regret it. |
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Kyoko Sakoda
Sakoda Security Services
163
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Posted - 2014.10.08 20:18:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:CCP Falcon wrote: ...We've got some interesting stuff coming up toward Christmas, ...
I hope it's what i'm thinking
I hope it's what I'm thinking you're thinking that Falcon is thinking about what it is they're doing. |
Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
195
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:18:00 -
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I was very sad when I saw AJ had vanished long before I entered EVE. Its lore is amazing and I've always felt it deserved much more. I probably won't be able to help (or maybe yes), but I wish you the best. |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
6552
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Posted - 2014.10.08 21:20:00 -
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We will be supporting your efforts.
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Basta Kindred
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
11
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Posted - 2014.10.08 22:25:00 -
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I can't be the only one that see WH space as one BIG live event, can I?
Look at us! Living out of towers, away from the empires, away from almost everything. I don't think we can even begin to fathom how much we have changed this game, nor do I think CCP realized what they were really making when W-Space was introduced. We're fairly self-reliant (at least us big WH corps are), we kill and build and kill and build, over and over in this cycle that I can surely say was never intended.
While Null continues with it's politics and coalitions, we are out mapping the stars (literally, you should see some of our maps sometimes), plotting revenge, and looking to build bigger and stronger ties with each other. Sure, us WH people have our differences (*cough* SSC *cough* ADHC), but we (mostly) understand our differences. We aren't fighting for space, we fight for something more.
When the Sansha forces came through their WH, all I could think about was "Man, wouldn't it be cool if W-Space could do the same thing to those silly Nullbears? Just drop into the back-end systems, roll for new holes, and start kicking ass and taking names..."
I really think that time is closely upon us. I feel that W-Space will eventually be able to cull this stagnation in Null Security Space. I think that us taking the lore into our own hands, that we'll start to realize how powerful we really can be. I think we can generate content that all players can get behind.
Let's start with this... |
Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
54
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Posted - 2014.10.09 01:08:00 -
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I support Guillaume (can't spell, too tired) and his initiative.
As for the honor of FC and SSC I will attest to that, having had run ins with them in the past. Usually ones that left me in a pod, mind you, but done with class. That alone in eve is rare enough, so I'll support them here, and with the blessings of my corp, with loot.
This is no scam, these guys are too professional for that.
Send the message mon.
*classy pilot from low-class signing off* |
Axloth Okiah
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
507
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Posted - 2014.10.09 09:10:00 -
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As SSC diplo and trusted WH broker, I can say Guillome is legit.
And in any case, we can always kick him from corp, raid his POS and sell his ships to get the isk back ;P W-Space Realtor |
Seismic Stan
Freebooted Junkworks
521
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Posted - 2014.10.09 10:17:00 -
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CCP Goliath wrote:Seismic Stan wrote: However, as a model for generating ongoing, slow-burning player interaction, A'J has been an order of magnititude more successful than any other CCP-driven event. It proved that not everything has to focus around spaceship PvP in order to engage.
Jumping in for a bit of devil's advocacy. What do you (and I don't just mean Stan here) think makes an event successful?
There's been a number of comments already which I think emphasise the kind of thing I was alluding to and why A'J should be viewed as a success. In short, it was emergent and self-sustaining far more than any other live event in my recollection.
I think I understand the motivation for and constraints of the Illuminati's capacity to deliver live events (but please correct me if I'm wrong): the staff effort, time and resources needs to be justifiable in terms of player numbers, which pushes the delivery of CCP-led live events towards discrete, focused PvP 'episodes' which can be advertised for maximum attendance at a specific time. This has proven to have a number of drawbacks:
- It excludes players who cannot attend the specific event at that time.
- High attendance leads necessarily to system caps, further excluding players (eg. The Battle for Caldari Prime which saw hundreds of players locked out of system).
- It encourages server overload and most likely TiDi, providing a sub-optimal EVE experience (eg. pre-Rubicon live event).
- It forces players to engage into a large PvP fleet playstyle in order to participate, something with which they may not be familiar nor interested in.
- It requires CCP event-runners to use inadequate tools in an effort to provide an engaging experience (chat channels full of spammers are poor storytelling device, leading to a detached and confusing experience).
To summarise, a lot of effort (which is appreciated) is wasted on an experience which may be a triumph for marketing spin, but is a lacklustre experience for those who take part. Furthermore, the on-rails nature of these events does not make the best of the sandbox concept.
On the other hand, an ongoing background effort centred around co-operation (or disruption), long-term affiliation and controlled, actor-led experiences is something which can inspire players to find their own content as they contributes to an arc defined by CCP's breadcrumbs.
And that's the key: breadcrumbs.
The Arek'Jaalan Project showed that a hands-off approach to providing event content can have a much more emergent impact than shoehorning players into a costly and short-lived blob experience. Of course elements of any such future project can and should occasionally escalate to conflict, but it's much better to provide the setup and context, leaving the players to find their own cause for PvP.
It's about leveraging the fantastic (but sadly underused) lore to inspire players to become involved with EVE's gameworld and other players in ways that they otherwise wouldn't. Doing so can add flesh to the bones of existing content which has no real reason to exist beyond being a source of ISK, it can drive players to co-operate in a way that might lead them to content and playstyles they would see no good reason to investigate in their usual day-to-day activities. It would empower CCP Seagull's X and Y player types.
For example, running two (or more) competing interests in a similar vein to Arek-Jaalan's search for information and items might trigger a race for territory, leading to confrontation and explosions as well investigation, exploration and a variety of player-generated content. Interweaving story and character into that (including in-game appearances) would require less heavy lifting than the existing model, and would be a sustainable, ongoing interest rather than a flash in the pan.
I appreciate that the current Sleeper item collection event may be along those lines, in which case I'm preaching to the converted and I'll be happy to sit back and watch how it all shakes out. My fear is that it will just turn out to be a transparent ISK sink with a one-off carrot at the end. EVE Online: The Text Adventure --- GameSkinny Correspondent --- Freebooted Blogger |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
56
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Posted - 2014.10.09 13:14:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:
- It excludes players who cannot attend the specific event at that time.
- High attendance leads necessarily to system caps, further excluding players (eg. The Battle for Caldari Prime which saw hundreds of players locked out of system).
- It encourages server overload and most likely TiDi, providing a sub-optimal EVE experience (eg. pre-Rubicon live event).
- It forces players to engage into a large PvP fleet playstyle in order to participate, something with which they may not be familiar nor interested in.
- It requires CCP event-runners to use inadequate tools in an effort to provide an engaging experience (chat channels full of spammers are poor storytelling device, leading to a detached and confusing experience).
I'm going to add some free advice if CCP just can't think about anything but 'massive battle event.'
You know your servers' limitations better than anyone. It is absurd, narratively, and strategically, to pile a couple thousand people into one system for 'a battle.' Real conflicts are broad in geography and involve extensive maneuvering before a shooting engagement begins. Once it's begun, side engagements are everywhere as combatants CONTINUE to maneuver for control of the battlespace.
Distribute your forces, yo. Take those couple thousand people and have them fighting in two dozen battles of varying sizes. Yes this takes more planning, yes it takes some serious logistical chops, but this is what the job you are trying to do requires of you. HTFU. ;)
http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
57
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Posted - 2014.10.09 13:57:00 -
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Falcon released numbers, and now so have I (check the first post). The caldari bump is due to market activity. Everyone selling to those inflated buy orders is aiding the Caldari cause.
This is beatable. I am working with FCFTW's diplomatic corps to bring the wormhole community behind my drive. Donations have ranged from as small as 30 pts, to as large as 5,744 pts. At this point, the other number I'm interested in gathering is the number of players who donate so feel free to toss me a single NNA in solidarity even if you're not interested in the race itself. http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
Torgeir Hekard
I MYSELF AND ME
75
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Posted - 2014.10.09 15:18:00 -
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I have on my alt a station container with sleeper loot from my brief venture into the unknown some time ago. There's about 350 relevant components along with some salvage.
If I can not scan my way to the other side of the empire and extract the needed contents by the deadline, may I just contract the whole cont to you? |
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per
Terpene Conglomerate
20
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:36:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Guillome Renard wrote:Solecist Project wrote:I have a question, if I may ...
Will we get to see stats about which faction has the lead, a day before end? Or would you think this will skew the outcome?
Thanks! CCP Fozzie has said that he will be releasing numbers as the drive goes on. I will do the same. Whenever he releases numbers, I will release numbers as well. I'll be releasing the first wave of numbers tomorrow
cant find any numbers? help help ;) |
Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
55
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Posted - 2014.10.10 00:45:00 -
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Guillome, just out of curiosity, have you heard anything from CCP regarding your collection initiative yet? After all, you are currently (as of oct 9) in 3rd place, and far ahead of both the Federation and the Republic.
This should send a very loud message to the Devs.
*curious wormhole resident signing off* |
Guillome Renard
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
63
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Posted - 2014.10.10 01:07:00 -
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Verdis deMosays wrote:Guillome, just out of curiosity, have you heard anything from CCP regarding your collection initiative yet? After all, you are currently (as of oct 9) in 3rd place, and far ahead of both the Federation and the Republic.
This should send a very loud message to the Devs.
*curious wormhole resident signing off*
CCP Fozzie said he'd talk to the devs and see if there was any way they could work with my sideshow here. Earlier in this thread, CCP Falcon said that A'J is gone for good - it doesn't fit their plans.
Beyond that, nothing. Donors should expect that we'll score well, it will come to naught but a fine bit of publicity and then you'll get ISK back equal to the NPC buy value of your donations.
But what matters is two things:
How well a player-run, player-conceived, and player-publicized initiative performs against CCP's "every player of EVE sees what I say" ability to plan ahead, and ability to have NPCs accept contracts with ZERO issues of reputation and trust.
And how many players voted with their blue loot for players to be the stars of the show.
There are Big Things(tm) afoot for this little drive of ours. Don't let the initial numbers fool you: I plan to leave the empries in the dust. http://fcftw.eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=662501 |
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CCP Falcon
9129
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Posted - 2014.10.10 10:27:00 -
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Guillome Renard wrote:Earlier in this thread, CCP Falcon said that A'J is gone for good - it doesn't fit their plans.
That's not what I said at all, please don't put words in my mouth.
What I said was:
CCP Falcon wrote:With regards to A'J, we're aware that you guys are super passionate about it, and we're well aware of how much player driven work went into it so far. In the same respect though, we're not in a position where we're just going to resurrect an arc for the sake of it. There needs to be meaning for us to do so, and it needs to fit with what's currently happening in the Universe. There's a few loose ends that we'll eventually look at tying off, so stay tuned.
TL;DR :
It doesn't fit with what we're doing right this second, so we're not just going to pull it out of the weeds for no reason.
However, maybe when we have more wormhole based storyline (can't really comment on what's happening until it does >_<) we'll look at bringing it to a close or working on it further.
No arc that's unfinished in EVE is "gone for good". We just pick them up again and run with them when it makes sense in the narrative to do so.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10771
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Posted - 2014.10.10 10:50:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:It doesn't fit with what we're doing right this second, so we're not just going to pull it out of the weeds for no reason Totally twisting the point here ...
.... but maybe you should! Certain vherokior weeds, consumed as tea, boost creativity a lot!
Don't ban me... I'll see my self out. *snickers xD* I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Nutbolt
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
90
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:53:00 -
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This is a great idea and event. It would be so nice if us capsuleers could beat the empires at their own game. Looking at the first release of numbers it doesn't look like the players are going to win, however if we still beat one of the empires it would be cool if it was still acknowledged in the lore.
Just a short piece saying that the Minmatar Republic were handed an embarrassing blow to their research efforts today when capsuleers succeeded in raising more support than the Republic.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
928
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:20:00 -
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Nutbolt wrote:This is a great idea and event. It would be so nice if us capsuleers could beat the empires at their own game. Looking at the first release of numbers it doesn't look like the players are going to win, however if we still beat one of the empires it would be cool if it was still acknowledged in the lore.
Just a short piece saying that the Minmatar Republic were handed an embarrassing blow to their research efforts today when capsuleers succeeded in raising more support than the Republic.
Tbh, it isn't so far off the mark really. Considering the low profile (compared to the 'official' representatives) the Independants are on a good track (only shortly behind on Gallente/Minmatar). I do hope if the final results get published, the independant group, lead by Guillame renard does get a mention in the news. Such act would already go far in motivating people to participate in future stuff. Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research! (Updated with research points-) A selection of upcoming events in the Eden cluster-á |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10774
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:34:00 -
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More and more this seems to be a way to find out the amount of roleplayers who are actually still interested.
I do hope they release numbers of participants, but I fear a striking blow to confidence.
What I happily notice is the idea of a slight shift towards those who actually engage themselves into the game... see clothes that match ships like the ORE thingy ... and faction stuff.
Btw... THAT CALDARI THINGY MAKES ME LOOK FAT AND SKINNY PEOPLE LOOK NORMAL!
Sheesh ..... where is that tailor? I want to write a not so formal, emotional complaint! I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
302
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:22:00 -
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Guillome Renard wrote:Falcon released numbers, and now so have I (check the first post). The caldari bump is due to market activity. Everyone selling to those inflated buy orders is aiding the Caldari cause.
This is beatable. I am working with FCFTW's diplomatic corps to bring the wormhole community behind my drive. Donations have ranged from as small as 30 pts, to as large as 5,744 pts. At this point, the other number I'm interested in gathering is the number of players who donate so feel free to toss me a single NNA in solidarity even if you're not interested in the race itself.
By the by, those numbers have been updated and corrected, the Amarr are leading now by a huge amount. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10775
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:36:00 -
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He relies on begging to those who put their sweat and ISK into it ... ... without actually doing anything by himself.
This just proves he's desperate ....... ... which raises the question: Why would he?
((this was IC, apply grains of salt)) I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
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