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Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:36:00 -
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Chopper Rollins wrote:Pretty sure the idea was for caps to be able to use null and lowsec gates, not hisec. People can read and write, but they're still mostly illiterate.
Read the dev blog more closely. CCP clearly stated that the idea of allowing caps back into high sec is still on the table but will be discussed in more detail at a later time. That is what this thread is about, not the upcoming changes. Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
320
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:41:00 -
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ITT people who have no idea how easy it is to actually kill a lone carrier or dread or even a one with a repping buddy.
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Mijou Star
504 boyz Ctrl Alt L33T
11
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:49:00 -
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The carebear scrublet in my compleatly wants caps I hs.... imean wtf haha I cant die..... but in hs they would be stupidly strong... atleast in low and null you havethe constant threat of neutral partys wtf powning you. That threat does not exist in hs....... or maby any capital in hs could be perma suspect |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
455
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Posted - 2014.10.09 17:07:00 -
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Mijou Star wrote:The carebear scrublet in me compleatly wants caps I hs.... imean wtf haha I cant die..... but in hs they would be stupidly strong... atleast in low and null you havethe constant threat of neutral partys wtf powning you. That threat does not exist in hs....... or maby any capital in hs could be perma suspect omg perma suspect would make me so happy in the pants. But I highly doubt it. Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
Anonymous Forumposter
State War Academy Caldari State
67
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Posted - 2014.10.09 17:09:00 -
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There's a mentality most of you are completely neglecting in your considerations. By bringing caps into high sec, you will give the carebears a taste of low/null fights and hopefully train and inspire them into leaving high sec. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
135
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Posted - 2014.10.09 17:50:00 -
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Eldwinn wrote:Hevymetal wrote:
Do you think it will happen again? (capitals allowed in Hi-sec)
Nope.
Ill go with yes but with restrictions so that they cant be used in combat like stealth bomber's bombs, if it wasnt for that restriction i believe ganking would be far worse....imagine jita. other then capitals doing convoys, we dont need cap ship station games in empire, they can keep combat and station games to low and null "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
155
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:08:00 -
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I strongly suspect that because they said specifically that it "is a larger discussion that we would like to revisit in future," they will most certainly be allowed at some point - though atm it's all speculation, which is exactly what the op seems to be about... speculation. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2900
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Posted - 2014.10.09 19:58:00 -
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Existing capitals in high sec are limited to defensive modules that only help themselves. I can live with allowing new caps in that adhere to those rules. But that would have to be written into the client, not something handled by good faith and petitions. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Snucklefruts
Dirty Stinky Pirates
9
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:43:00 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Kaidu Kahn wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Large POSes were never safe in Hi Sec. Might as well be. How many have been blown up in hisec, 3 in 7 years? LOL Unless you are in a big alliance and can rally 100+ members to bash a properly fitted large POS you are out of luck. The sheer amount of damage required to kill one cannot be done by smaller corps. If you could bring out 3-4 dreads to help in the process it would make it an achievable goal for just about every corp. Hisec capital fleet fights would be glorious. (readies ninja loot/salvage ship) Would could go wrong? You know not of what you speak. You should stop while you still only look silly. This is not meant to be mean, but is legitimate advice. Heh, at a glance I count five this month, and its the 9th. https://zkillboard.com/group/365/highsec/
And now 6 |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
457
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:45:00 -
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Snucklefruts wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Tengu Grib wrote:Kaidu Kahn wrote:Val'Dore wrote:Large POSes were never safe in Hi Sec. Might as well be. How many have been blown up in hisec, 3 in 7 years? LOL Unless you are in a big alliance and can rally 100+ members to bash a properly fitted large POS you are out of luck. The sheer amount of damage required to kill one cannot be done by smaller corps. If you could bring out 3-4 dreads to help in the process it would make it an achievable goal for just about every corp. Hisec capital fleet fights would be glorious. (readies ninja loot/salvage ship) Would could go wrong? You know not of what you speak. You should stop while you still only look silly. This is not meant to be mean, but is legitimate advice. Heh, at a glance I count five this month, and its the 9th. https://zkillboard.com/group/365/highsec/ And now 6 He means that one just died and hasn't posted yet. Should be there tomorrow sometime. Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5541
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:52:00 -
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Hevymetal wrote:I personally believe it will reusher in a old mechanic once allowed many years ago that will add many more points of potential conflict and fun if implemented correctly.
If only to travel from pont A to B with no potential for offensive or defensive actions while enroute, then meh, nothing much will change. The noobs will drool seeing a ship they have never witnessed in operation.
But if capitals are given the green light for Hi-sec operations, offensive and defensive what a fun and exciting change of pace and strategy. Of course Concord will have to upgrade their weapons as well to prevent the asshats from smartbombing or DD at Jita 4-4. No longer will Large POSes be safe in Hi-sec because noone can muster the resources or be bothered to waste the hours required to take it down. Industrialists and researchers would open up a giant potential lootpile to dedicated POS bashing corps. Corps under a wardec would no longer have their most valuable assests out of reach in Hi-sec.
The battlefields would potentially be anywhere. No longer would Hi-sec be limited to minor skirmishes of small ships between warring corporations. Imagine a 200+ fleet fight including caps happening in Amsen, Jita or any other Hi-sec system.
Do you think it will happen again? (capitals allowed in Hi-sec)
To what extent? What do you think the ramifications would be?
The solution to Smart Bombing Jita 4-4 just might end up being to make Smart Bombs and DD just as "you can't use it" as the bomb launcher on a Stealth Bomber.
And that could herald doing it for ALL weapons in highsec - except perhaps in deadspace and mission rooms.
I don't think people would be happy with that. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
165
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Posted - 2014.10.09 23:26:00 -
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It will likely happen. CCP wouldnt have even mentioned it if they weren't at least thinking about doing it.
I look forward to it if they get to go into hisec. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1642
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Posted - 2014.10.10 02:43:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Existing capitals in high sec are limited to defensive modules that only help themselves. I can live with allowing new caps in that adhere to those rules. But that would have to be written into the client, not something handled by good faith and petitions.
Those current rules are because only a few people have caps and no-one else can bring theirs in. If you're going to make it a free-for-all those rules won't be needed. After all, there's no point allowing a fleet of roaming dreads or carriers to come through Jita if they're not allowed to use their guns. No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
460
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:38:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hevymetal wrote:I personally believe it will reusher in a old mechanic once allowed many years ago that will add many more points of potential conflict and fun if implemented correctly.
If only to travel from pont A to B with no potential for offensive or defensive actions while enroute, then meh, nothing much will change. The noobs will drool seeing a ship they have never witnessed in operation.
But if capitals are given the green light for Hi-sec operations, offensive and defensive what a fun and exciting change of pace and strategy. Of course Concord will have to upgrade their weapons as well to prevent the asshats from smartbombing or DD at Jita 4-4. No longer will Large POSes be safe in Hi-sec because noone can muster the resources or be bothered to waste the hours required to take it down. Industrialists and researchers would open up a giant potential lootpile to dedicated POS bashing corps. Corps under a wardec would no longer have their most valuable assests out of reach in Hi-sec.
The battlefields would potentially be anywhere. No longer would Hi-sec be limited to minor skirmishes of small ships between warring corporations. Imagine a 200+ fleet fight including caps happening in Amsen, Jita or any other Hi-sec system.
Do you think it will happen again? (capitals allowed in Hi-sec)
To what extent? What do you think the ramifications would be? The solution to Smart Bombing Jita 4-4 just might end up being to make Smart Bombs and DD just as "you can't use it" as the bomb launcher on a Stealth Bomber.t And that could herald doing it for ALL weapons in highsec - except perhaps in deadspace and mission rooms. I don't think people would be happy with that. I don't really see DD (which is no longer AOE) or Smartbombs are a threat. See a titan of your enemy on the undock? Get close to him with a cloaky neutral alt, if he activates smart bombs, he dies to Concorde in hilarious fassion. Concorde are no longer the weak sauce chumps they once were.
Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
Galphii
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
274
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:17:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Mining carriers... AFK mining carriers everywhere....
I had an idea about that:
In the carrier traits, alter where it says: "Can deploy one additional drone or fighter" to "Can deploy one additional fighter"
and for Drone Control Unit attributes: "Max active drone bonus" to "Max active fighter or fighter bomber bonus"
Since fighters don't suck anywhere near as much as they used to, it should be considered the primary weapon for a carrier. With these alterations, a carrier can still launch 15 fighters, but only 5 drones. Indeed, the restriction on supercarriers using drones could also be lifted, since they could only use 5 max (much less drone power than a domi). And if the Gecko is a template of fighter changes to come during capital balancing (i.e. 50m3), fighters could be 50m3 and fighter bombers could be 100m3, thus reducing the need for massive drone bays which can be filled with sentries etc. I figure around 800m3 for a carrier and 1500m3 for a super. X |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5543
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:28:00 -
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Tengu Grib wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Hevymetal wrote:I personally believe it will reusher in a old mechanic once allowed many years ago that will add many more points of potential conflict and fun if implemented correctly.
If only to travel from pont A to B with no potential for offensive or defensive actions while enroute, then meh, nothing much will change. The noobs will drool seeing a ship they have never witnessed in operation.
But if capitals are given the green light for Hi-sec operations, offensive and defensive what a fun and exciting change of pace and strategy. Of course Concord will have to upgrade their weapons as well to prevent the asshats from smartbombing or DD at Jita 4-4. No longer will Large POSes be safe in Hi-sec because noone can muster the resources or be bothered to waste the hours required to take it down. Industrialists and researchers would open up a giant potential lootpile to dedicated POS bashing corps. Corps under a wardec would no longer have their most valuable assests out of reach in Hi-sec.
The battlefields would potentially be anywhere. No longer would Hi-sec be limited to minor skirmishes of small ships between warring corporations. Imagine a 200+ fleet fight including caps happening in Amsen, Jita or any other Hi-sec system.
Do you think it will happen again? (capitals allowed in Hi-sec)
To what extent? What do you think the ramifications would be? The solution to Smart Bombing Jita 4-4 just might end up being to make Smart Bombs and DD just as "you can't use it" as the bomb launcher on a Stealth Bomber.t And that could herald doing it for ALL weapons in highsec - except perhaps in deadspace and mission rooms. I don't think people would be happy with that. I don't really see DD (which is no longer AOE) or Smartbombs are a threat. See a titan of your enemy on the undock? Get close to him with a cloaky neutral alt, if he activates smart bombs, he dies to Concorde in hilarious fassion. Concorde are no longer the weak sauce chumps they once were.
A Sansha carrier in a live event was taken out in a similar manner once.
Yes it was dev-piloted too. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Jon Hellguard
X-COM
16
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:45:00 -
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I hope it will not be allowed. This might act as a pull factor to have people moving to high-sec. It needs to stay a relevant factor that people move to other areas of space to experience other kind of fleets and ships. Having the 80% of people living in high-sec is enough. Allowing us capitals will not make people move to other spaces at all.
The questions should be: "what is wrong with high-sec space and how can we change that for the better?". Speaking of allowing capital in high-sec or not is pointless unless we all agree on what we are trying to archieve (or in that case, CCP).
I think high-sec space still attracts too many pilots. I still believe there should be either more out there to go for or less benefits in high-sec to stay. It's hard to take stuff away from capsuleers so we should start throwing ideas to what could attrackt high-sec people to move.
If you give me dreads, towers will burn. Some will call a CTA and have thier 0.0 buddies come help (pulling people from 0.0 back to high-sec, really?!?). Indies will in the long run stop using POSs and do their stuff in NPC stations? Now that there is no limit for that, it's possible to have all our goods produced under a unrealisticly high safety.
Isn't it enough to have jita? Do we really need more reinforced high-sec nodes on tranq.? high-sec is too growded, find a way to get people out. Find a way to make it interessting for me to go somewhere else. |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
792
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:52:00 -
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It would make for funny War dec's.
As it is, if I get a War Dec I just don't undock in High Sec. If I could launch a carrier in Amarr and laugh at people for 5 or 10 minutes while they shoot at it? Yea, I'd do it. |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
375
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Posted - 2014.10.10 08:28:00 -
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LOL.
I recently returned to the game after a break, and apart from freaking the **** out when I released drones in my Rattlesnake and only two Sentries appeared, I saw a Phoenix in Stacmon and thought these changes were already up and running
Apart from Chribba's and perhaps a Nyx that appeared in Jita once, I had never met any other capitals in High Sec. |
Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force Cult of War
353
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:31:00 -
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Komi Toran wrote:"As above, capital ships will be able to use stargates, but will for the time being they will still be barred from entering Highsec (that is a larger discussion that we would like to revisit in future)." I'm a little teapot.
Exactly, that was the article that I read as well. From the way they worded it, "but will for the time being" it seems there is hope they will return to Hi-sec. There may have been internal discussion on the matter already.
If they do decide to bring them back, the exact implementation of this return is still undecided and this thread is intended to spur a discussion on people's opinions on the best way of doing this.
So yeah, I guess it is speculation, but that could be said of 50% of the GD threads :) the other 50% are mostly rants.
Speculate away.
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Mycool Jahksn
Viziam Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:54:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEPpwQlRu5M My interests include but are not limited to throwing rocks at bee hives.
There are more stars in the universe than all of the grains of sand on earth. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2511
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:45:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:I wear pyjama. *yawns*
coffee.......
It's late in the afternoon and i still have my morning erection ...
since we're sharing stories here .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2511
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Posted - 2014.10.10 14:48:00 -
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Anonymous Forumposter wrote:There's a mentality most of you are completely neglecting in your considerations. By bringing caps into high sec, you will give the carebears a taste of low/null fights and hopefully train and inspire them into leaving high sec.
Yes because capsonline is what we all like so much in eve in regards to pvp .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Steppa Musana
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
203
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:01:00 -
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Yes please! Let me introduce: The titan slingshot bumper.
Steps: 1) Locate a mining barge, group of mining barges, freighter and/or Orca located near an ice block. 2) Save the location of the ice block 3) Warp to the ice block with your titan 4) When your titan lands in the ice block, observe as it slingshots out at 1 km/s 5) Repeat until you collide with the miner/miners/orca/freighter, hurling them across the belt with you Hey guys. |
Moth Eisig
Soliloquy Against Death
65
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:12:00 -
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Jon Hellguard wrote:I hope it will not be allowed. This might act as a pull factor to have people moving to high-sec. It needs to stay a relevant factor that people move to other areas of space to experience other kind of fleets and ships. Having the 80% of people living in high-sec is enough. Allowing us capitals will not make people move to other spaces at all.
The questions should be: "what is wrong with high-sec space and how can we change that for the better?". Speaking of allowing capital in high-sec or not is pointless unless we all agree on what we are trying to archieve (or in that case, CCP).
I think high-sec space still attracts too many pilots. I still believe there should be either more out there to go for or less benefits in high-sec to stay. It's hard to take stuff away from capsuleers so we should start throwing ideas to what could attrackt high-sec people to move.
If you give me dreads, towers will burn. Some will call a CTA and have thier 0.0 buddies come help (pulling people from 0.0 back to high-sec, really?!?). Indies will in the long run stop using POSs and do their stuff in NPC stations? Now that there is no limit for that, it's possible to have all our goods produced under a unrealisticly high safety.
Isn't it enough to have jita? Do we really need more reinforced high-sec nodes on tranq.? high-sec is too growded, find a way to get people out. Find a way to make it interessting for me to go somewhere else.
If people are getting big fights and having fun, does it really matter what sec it's in? I don't remember anyone grumbling because Asakai was pulling pilots out of null to fight in empire space. |
Tengu Grib
Happy Fun times
463
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Posted - 2014.10.10 15:15:00 -
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Ocih wrote:It would make for funny War dec's.
As it is, if I get a War Dec I just don't undock in High Sec. If I could launch a carrier in Amarr and laugh at people for 5 or 10 minutes while they shoot at it? Yea, I'd do it. And then you'd get slammed by a series of bumpers, end up 10km off station and pointed by a HIC. gf It would be hilarious to see, but highly ill advised. Tengu Grib> I read that as "Suddenly Noobships" and it made me want to hot drop someone with noobships. Buhhdust Princess> You have set us a challenge..We will try and do it!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEeBnYi5bG0&feature=youtu.be |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6399
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:29:00 -
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I can think of one good reason to allow capitals in high sec, assuming they have to refrain from combat.
It would get newish players excited to stick with the game long enough to get into one. They really are quite majestic and I can see people deciding they want to get into one and play with the big boys after seeing one up close.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Oxide Ammar
164
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Posted - 2014.10.11 07:30:00 -
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Val'Dore wrote:Large POSes were never safe in Hi Sec.
Allowing caps in hisec is serious threat against indy Corps with large POSes. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
Maeltstome
Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi
604
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Posted - 2014.10.12 12:15:00 -
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@Chribba: Time to dust off the Veld-Naut |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10840
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Posted - 2014.10.12 12:23:00 -
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Maeltstome wrote:@Chribba: Time to dust off the Veld-Naut He was able to use it anyway.
He is the least affected person of this change. lol I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
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