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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
6554
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Posted - 2014.10.09 03:15:00 -
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The Empires have put out requests for sleeper research components, each of them in turn, in what is clearly a bid to appear as if they are competing with one another.
However, all of the empire representatives are members of their respective navies who were involved in the botched pirate lab raids with CONCORD. Are we forgetting that Auvier Bauvon of the Gallente navy is the same pilot who bubbled his own fleet in nullsec, resulting in it being massacred by capsuleer alliance fleets at sniper range? This entire thing seems to me like a farce. Its clear that these pilots are working together on behalf of CONCORD or some other intergovernmental organisation.
Its being held out to us, the capsuleers, the ones who ultimately have the resources, as if our only choice is to help one empire or the other. But that is not the only choice, Guillome Renard of Arek'Jaalan and Sleeper Social Club is starting an opposing collection.
His action is one I strongly support. The Empires attempt to make us compete with one another for their benefit. 'Oh you'd better give the Minmatar research materials, you wouldn't want those evil Amarrians to come out ahead' and the reverse. Its all very convenient when you get the research materials regardless of which side we give it to.
Guillome Renard offers us an alternative to the Empires entirely, putting our futures into our own hands and preventing us from being the pawns of the governments. We will make our own sleeper research labs, with blackjack and hookers!
To this end, the newly completed Urado Tower complex in Foundation City is being opened up as a secure research site for Arek'Jaalan, within Anoikis itself. We'll be making a full announcement regarding that in the near future, as well as discussing how laboratory usage and access could be negotiated.
In this instance though, right here in the next week, we're going to have a chance to stand up to the Empires. To show them that we can beat them at their own games. That we will not let them use us, and we're fully capable of taking advantage of the sleeper components ourselves.
As the trading of these sleeper components is part of the core economic activity for many capsuleer operations in Anoikis, the nerve of the Empires to ask for them for free is all the more galling, and I for one will not allow myself to be manipulated in such a manner.
Through the distorted lens I found a cure.
Saede Riordan Systems Coordinator, Alexylva Paradox
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Jace Sarice
Blackwell Corporation
14872
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Posted - 2014.10.09 03:24:00 -
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There is no independence from the empires. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
616
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Posted - 2014.10.09 05:41:00 -
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do you still cut up the brains of living people looking for "where consciousness comes from" ? |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
371
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Posted - 2014.10.09 11:44:00 -
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3/10 GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1311
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Posted - 2014.10.09 12:01:00 -
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The CONCORD is that intergovernmental organization. However, it doesn't control Empires in the sense it can control... US.
We are, technically, CONCORD pets. CONCORD pays us, CONCORD sets our security status and access to systems, CONCORD can with 105% guarantee success destroy any given capsuleer vessel at any time in their controlled space, because of their inflluence on our subsystems, that makes their ships appear "unbeatable". On other hand, CONCORD can't match to regular "baseliner" vessels, and without that control over us can be killed incredibly easy, as I heard from pilots, who were getting assignments by pirates to attack CONCORD, who weren't expecting capsuleers.
But it is not just Empires, who are lying. You could have told me that yourself, when I asked. But, very well, your assets - means you can do whatever you want with them. I don't feel it will bring any profit, but good luck, in whatever you are doing. |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
372
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Posted - 2014.10.09 12:31:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Dianapost.
Diana, I like you better without sunglasses. You have pretty eyes, dear. It's a shame to hide them. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10745
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Posted - 2014.10.09 12:39:00 -
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I suggest selling Neural Network Analyzers to me at 150k p.u. ... ... instead of giving them away for free. :p I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
4039
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Posted - 2014.10.09 14:42:00 -
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On the matter of who to trust, Alexylva Paradox and I will simply have to respectfully disagree. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Liuni Kalthis
Scope Works
44
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Posted - 2014.10.09 15:12:00 -
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As far as I'm concerned some of those pilots deserved to be bubbled, but more likely knowing the empires' state of politics and flying in space......wrong button. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
925
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Posted - 2014.10.09 15:44:00 -
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The current numbers (as provided by the authorites) are as following:
- Amarr - 88,851
- Caldari - 119,203
- Gallente - 15,650
- Minmatar - 15,354
- Independent - 11,092
Caldari are clearly in the lead, followed by Amarr. Considering the lack of coverage of the Independants (Guillame Renard's effort) they are doing rather well.
Lets see what the coming days will bring!
Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research! (Updated with research points-) A selection of upcoming events in the Eden cluster-á |
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Calairis
Phaeornis Asymmetrics
19
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:09:00 -
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Of course they're lying, it's the extent to which the individual empires are lying and the ends to which they're lying that are material to our interests as citizens.
Jandice Ymladris wrote:The current numbers (as provided by the authorites) are as following:
- Amarr - 88,851
- Caldari - 119,203
- Gallente - 15,650
- Minmatar - 15,354
- Independent - 11,092
I have to admire the Caldari love of country, particularly for the nation which is the least dishonest (while we're on the topic of official state lies) about its disdain for its citizens. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10752
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:14:00 -
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Wow ...
Hey, considering the numbers I could help the Amarr win this ... ... but I won't. *snickers xD*
Diana will be proud. :) I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1315
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:19:00 -
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Calairis wrote: I have to admire the Caldari love of country, particularly for the nation which is the least dishonest (while we're on the topic of official state lies) about its disdain for its citizens.
The State provides best conditions for those, who are competetive and bring good profits to the State. The State disdains only those, who disdain the State themselves. If they don't need the State - the State doesn't need them.
Besides that, the State is neither corporation, nor assets, nor planets, systems and colonies. The State is PEOPLE. Caldari people, children of Raata and those, who wish to stay with us and become our brothers and sisters, to work together as one, for bright future of our children.
As motto of our Navy tells: "All for the good of many" |
Liuni Kalthis
Scope Works
44
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:26:00 -
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Just make sure you aren't a war hero which sacrificed its chance to fire to save their home world.......then the caldari government will make you drink suicidal tea. Other than a few querks sure it's a great place to live. |
Calairis
Phaeornis Asymmetrics
19
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:34:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Besides that, the State is neither corporation, nor assets, nor planets, systems and colonies. I'm fairly certain the CEP's existence contradicts this assertion (emphasis mine). |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1316
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:35:00 -
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Jaijii will never understand concept of sacrifice, and that nobody makes you drink the tea. It is your decision. It is an act of will, that jaijii could never take themselves, that's why they claim that "government will make you drink suicidal tea". And just think about it, how absurd it sounds: "To make you drink suicidal tea". Won't it be a suicide, if you are "made" to drink it?... In the old times a gallentean for saying this could be beheaded on the spot for showing such disrespect.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1316
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:38:00 -
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Calairis wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Besides that, the State is neither corporation, nor assets, nor planets, systems and colonies. I'm fairly certain the CEP's existence contradicts this assertion (emphasis mine). The CEP is not the State. The CEP is a corporation to regulate affairs between corporations of the State and establish common practices for dealing with foreigners. |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:48:00 -
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Wait, you're trying to tell me that governments are lying to and manipulating their respective populations? This is sensational! Stop the press, we have to let everyone know! < /sarcasm> |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1316
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Posted - 2014.10.09 16:56:00 -
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In the case of the State, if you would be a citizen, your "government" would be megacorporation CEO and its board of directors. As we can see, in some cases they can lie to people, take for example this Mens Reppola, who is driving Ishukone away from the State, making it a traitor of all the Caldari people. I hope that the good citizens of Ishukone will open their eyes sooner to see what snake currently holds their corporation and will do something about it already, before something really bad happens. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
839
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Posted - 2014.10.09 20:43:00 -
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Everybody lies - it's hardly news. Wouldn't be surprised if this is just an attempt to slow something inevitable down.
Jace Sarice wrote:There is no independence from the empires.
Yet. Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. |
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Tarqeus Prime
Your Loss Dead Terrorists
3
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Posted - 2014.10.09 22:30:00 -
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What makes you Saede Riordan a more credible scientist than the empires? I know what Valerie Valates scientific credentials are but I do not know yours. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
926
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Posted - 2014.10.09 23:51:00 -
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Tarqeus Prime wrote:What makes you Saede Riordan a more credible scientist than the empires? I know what Valerie Valates scientific credentials are but I do not know yours.
Well, the 4 Navies are asking us to turn over the sleeper salvage without any form of financial composition, reducing us to mere errand boys. That alone merits the call to follow a different road. And while we as capsuleers are a very divided group, we'll have to make a stand as capsuleers, not as member of one of the factions if we want to be heared in the future as well. Because if we support this Sleeper research of the 4 nations without a call of protest, then they'll keep us treating like they do now: errand boys. Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research! (Updated with research points-) A selection of upcoming events in the Eden cluster-á |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1320
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Posted - 2014.10.10 00:02:00 -
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We were born to serve the State, and we will die, serving the State, Ms. Ymladris. |
Streya Jormagdnir
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
344
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:55:00 -
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I'd like to remind the captivated reader who might be inclined to take potshots at Coordinator Riordan that the original call for an independent donation pool was issued by Sleeper Social Club, who are well-reputed wormhole explorers and occupants of Anoikis. It is only reasonable that when the core empires start taking a reinvigorated look at Sleeper data shards wormhole groups (who are in the business of excavating for all things Sleeper-related) will begin to second-guess the real value of all this stuff piling up in their starbases. Wouldn't it be a shame if we've been getting undercut this entire time? I am also a human, straggling between the present world... and our future. I am a regulator, a coordinator, one who is meant to guide the way.
Destination Unreachable: the worst Wspace blog ever |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:14:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:Tarqeus Prime wrote:What makes you Saede Riordan a more credible scientist than the empires? I know what Valerie Valates scientific credentials are but I do not know yours. Well, the 4 Navies are asking us to turn over the sleeper salvage without any form of financial composition, reducing us to mere errand boys. That alone merits the call to follow a different road. And while we as capsuleers are a very divided group, we'll have to make a stand as capsuleers, not as member of one of the factions if we want to be heared in the future as well. Because if we support this Sleeper research of the 4 nations without a call of protest, then they'll keep us treating like they do now: errand boys.
You didn't actually answer the question. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
927
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:57:00 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:
You didn't actually answer the question.
I admit & that was a fault of mine. I have edited the response you quoted to reflect this. As to the scientific credentials of miss Saede, I'll leave it to people more experienced to me to dig up the necessery information. I'll stick from now on in this thread to the basic information sharing, without letting emotions get the better of me. Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research! (Updated with research points-) A selection of upcoming events in the Eden cluster-á |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10770
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Posted - 2014.10.10 08:12:00 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:The 4 Navies are asking us to turn over the sleeper salvage without any form of financial composition ... All that this other guy tells us is that there will be compensation, but he doesn't say anything substantial. If he really means it, he should tell what kind of compensation, because that'll motivate people!
So I call bullshit ... and he gets what he deserves.
Besides ... who is this guy anyway? I would have trusted VV far more than this former eveuni person.
EVEUNI! That alone gives it a stinking feeling.
No thanks! I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
242
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Posted - 2014.10.10 09:16:00 -
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The problem of this idea is that it assumes benevolent intent amongst the majority of Capsuleers, which simply could not be further from the truth. With respect as it is due to my CEO, I'd much rather have a new piece of dangerous and powerful technology under the control of any of the 4 empires, manipulative and deceitful natures or not, then in the hands of a completely unstable and discordant group of what mostly consists of profit-obsessed authoritarian dictators at the best of times, and thieves and mass murderers at the worst.
Further, I severely question the portrayal of us as exploited victims who deserve anything at all, considering the lifestyle of ludicrous excess the average pod pilot already enjoys. Make no mistake; Us hoarding technological progress for ourselves and leaving the rest of the world to rot or capitulate to our terms simply because we have the rare ability to do so would not be a bold, heroic defiance of authority. Rather, it would be just another example - amongst a near-infinite number in human history - of a small group of hyper-privileged and hyper-empowered individuals selfishly profitting at the expense of the vast majority of human beings alive.
It really doesn't seem like a good idea at all. |
Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
110
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Posted - 2014.10.10 09:47:00 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:The problem of this idea is that it assumes benevolent intent amongst the majority of Capsuleers, which simply could not be further from the truth. With respect as it is due to my CEO, I'd much rather have a new piece of dangerous and powerful technology under the control of any of the 4 empires, manipulative and deceitful natures or not, then in the hands of a completely unstable and discordant group of what mostly consists of profit-obsessed authoritarian dictators at the best of times, and thieves and mass murderers at the worst.
Further, I severely question the portrayal of us as exploited victims who deserve anything at all, considering the lifestyle of ludicrous excess the average pod pilot already enjoys. Make no mistake; Us hoarding technological progress for ourselves and leaving the rest of the world to capitulate to our terms or rot simply because we have the position of advantage to do so would not be a bold, heroic defiance of authority. Rather, it would be just another example - amongst a near-infinite number in human history - of a small group of hyper-privileged and hyper-empowered individuals selfishly profitting at the expense of the vast majority of human beings alive.
It really doesn't seem like a good idea at all.
In this case it's the choice of the lesser evil. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10770
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Posted - 2014.10.10 10:39:00 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:In this case it's the choice of the lesser evil. Which is supporting the empires. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
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