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Niskin
League of the Lost
85
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:28:02 -
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That's better, thanks!
Also, WoW sucks, Hello Kitty Online is betta.
Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.
-MooMooDachshundCow
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SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
230
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:11:57 -
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Going with the logic that the jump changes were implemented because the end result of power projection allowed 'coalitions' to expand too large, I'm wondering where we'll see the next changes. I bet, before we see any more big sov changes, timers will be the next thing to get adjusted. It would not surprise me to see all sov timers be reduced to less than 24 hours (ie a just a few hours to go from shield reinforcement to armor, etc). No more day and a half between reinforcements. This might be a way of introducing 'occupational sov' without having to rewrite all the current mechanics, buying them time to do so as the landscape adapts.
A lot of people might freak at the idea of systems changing hands in just one day or less, but Phoebe is about local military power. If you live locally, you should be able to defend locally. If your primary military forces have to travel 35 jumps to respond to a timer...well...my guess is that is not the intended spirit of Phoebe. Might even inspire further nerfs. |
Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2014.11.21 18:26:06 -
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I've been playing with the idea that a sov system could be done so you had a sort of border system so you could only take over a system on someone's border (kind of like in the good old days of sov4 invulnerability), but to compensate you could take more than a system pr day. This way we might've seen lots of smaller fights breaking out across multiple fronts/systems at the same time.
I'm curious as to how a proposed activity-based system would work, however, and I'm intersted in seeing how decoupling raw military power from holding space would actually play out. |
Andy Landen
Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club
517
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Posted - 2014.11.21 22:07:38 -
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Niskin wrote:Starting Fatigue: 0 Starting Jump Cooldown: 0
All jumps will be 8LY.
Cooldown after first jump: 6 minutes (this is the minimum for any jump, regardless of hull bonuses) Fatigue after first jump: 50 minutes
Thank you. I guess BLOPs were not given as much of a nod as I remember. I seem to remember initial BLOPs buff plans of 80+% fatigue reduction bonuses and BLOPs jump ranges nearing 15 ly.
"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein-á
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Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
160
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Posted - 2014.11.21 22:14:47 -
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Andy Landen wrote:Niskin wrote:Starting Fatigue: 0 Starting Jump Cooldown: 0
All jumps will be 8LY.
Cooldown after first jump: 6 minutes (this is the minimum for any jump, regardless of hull bonuses) Fatigue after first jump: 50 minutes
Thank you. I guess BLOPs were not given as much of a nod as I remember. I seem to remember initial BLOPs buff plans of 80+% fatigue reduction bonuses and BLOPs jump ranges nearing 15 ly. I told you it was 50% and 8LY a long time ago. Apparently you didn't listen. |
Andy Landen
Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club
517
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Posted - 2014.11.22 16:31:13 -
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Lord TGR wrote: I told you it was 50% and 8LY a long time ago. Apparently you didn't listen.
I suppose if you were a CCP authority, we might all take everything you say about EVE as fact. Currently, though, your name is not "CCP TGR", it is just "Lord TGR". I hope you get my point. It is a bit arrogant to think that others should merely accept what you say as fact as if you were the authority on every subject matter, unless there were some indisputable credentials and powers backing those words. Even still, 50% and 8 ly is significant and much better than any carrier; whereas carriers used to be much better than most ships, the movement roles have completely flipped.
"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them."
Albert Einstein-á
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Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
162
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Posted - 2014.11.22 16:40:42 -
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Andy Landen wrote:Lord TGR wrote: I told you it was 50% and 8LY a long time ago. Apparently you didn't listen.
I suppose if you were a CCP authority, we might all take everything you say about EVE as fact. Currently, though, your name is not "CCP TGR", it is just "Lord TGR". I hope you get my point. It is a bit arrogant to think that others should merely accept what you say as fact as if you were the authority on every subject matter, unless there were some indisputable credentials and powers backing those words. I quoted the devblog, you ignoramus.
Andy Landen wrote:Even still, 50% and 8 ly is significant and much better than any carrier; whereas carriers used to be much better than most ships, the movement roles have completely flipped. So CCP have changed it so ships with a lot of power can move around more slowly than smaller, nimbler ships.
Oh dear, so sad. So very, very sad. |
Niskin
League of the Lost
102
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Posted - 2014.11.22 20:06:53 -
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CCP Greyscale wrote:We're going to bump the max range of black ops ships up slightly to 8LY, and likewise give them a ~50% fatigue bonus. Thanks, -Greyscale
For those that missed the first post in this thread.
Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.
-MooMooDachshundCow
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
625
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Posted - 2014.11.23 03:18:56 -
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While I appreciate that Phoebe really shook things up in the Eve universe, I'd really like to install a fatigue timer on the elevators in CCP's offices. Oh, you want to go to the fifth floor? Well, either you can wait fifteen minutes between each floor, or else you won't be able to use the elevator for the next two weeks. You don't like that? Take the stairs. Which are guarded by dogs. Or bees. Or dogs with bees in their mouths that shoot bees at you when they bark.
In other words, on the larger level, i classify Phoebe a success. On the individual level, it is a frustrating mechanic.
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X Gallentius
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2643
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Posted - 2014.11.23 14:37:07 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:While I appreciate that Phoebe really shook things up in the Eve universe, I'd really like to install a fatigue timer on the elevators in CCP's offices. Oh, you want to go to the fifth floor? Well, either you can wait fifteen minutes between each floor, or else you won't be able to use the elevator for the next two weeks. . I think the analogy is walking up the stairs instead of taking the elevator. And you're a really fat dude, just like caps and super caps are. |
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1745
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Posted - 2014.11.23 21:43:30 -
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X Gallentius wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:While I appreciate that Phoebe really shook things up in the Eve universe, I'd really like to install a fatigue timer on the elevators in CCP's offices. Oh, you want to go to the fifth floor? Well, either you can wait fifteen minutes between each floor, or else you won't be able to use the elevator for the next two weeks. . I think the analogy is walking up the stairs instead of taking the elevator. And you're a really fat dude, just like caps and super caps are. Maybe we could get a live stream of greyscales morning workout |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1379
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:54:20 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:While I appreciate that Phoebe really shook things up in the Eve universe, I'd really like to install a fatigue timer on the elevators in CCP's offices. Oh, you want to go to the fifth floor? Well, either you can wait fifteen minutes between each floor, or else you won't be able to use the elevator for the next two weeks. You don't like that? Take the stairs. Which are guarded by dogs. Or bees. Or dogs with bees in their mouths that shoot bees at you when they bark.
In other words, on the larger level, i classify Phoebe a success. On the individual level, it is a frustrating mechanic.
I like how you think they don't have teleporter to jump from floor to floor and only bother with elevator when they can't be bothered to pay the bear tears required for the jump. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1745
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:58:20 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:While I appreciate that Phoebe really shook things up in the Eve universe, I'd really like to install a fatigue timer on the elevators in CCP's offices. Oh, you want to go to the fifth floor? Well, either you can wait fifteen minutes between each floor, or else you won't be able to use the elevator for the next two weeks. You don't like that? Take the stairs. Which are guarded by dogs. Or bees. Or dogs with bees in their mouths that shoot bees at you when they bark.
In other words, on the larger level, i classify Phoebe a success. On the individual level, it is a frustrating mechanic. I like how you think they don't have teleporter to jump from floor to floor and only bother with elevator when they can't be bothered to pay the bear tears required for the jump. Devhax |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
112890
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Posted - 2014.11.28 21:25:32 -
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Just back after a break from Eve... Update game lets go! or I guess not...
Since I've been gone my Alliance has moved around a bit.
Heres little old me sitting a Moros what used to be 2 cynos to get home
Now it's 8 Cynos plus a timer... hmmm ok Lets do this.
2 Days Later I'm 1 cyno away with almost a 30days fatigue timer and my next jump timer will be 2days xD Seems right...
All this just to get home >.> |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
995
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Posted - 2014.11.28 21:29:01 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Just back after a break from Eve... Update game lets go! or I guess not...
Since I've been gone my Alliance has moved around a bit.
Heres little old me sitting a Moros what used to be 2 cynos to get home
Now it's 8 Cynos plus a timer... hmmm ok Lets do this.
2 Days Later I'm 1 cyno away with almost a 30days fatigue timer and my next jump timer will be 2days xD Seems right...
All this just to get home >.>
did they not add a hard limit .. i thought they were going to do that .. like 1 week or something would make sense
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
111
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:20:43 -
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Harvey James wrote:Alice Saki wrote:Just back after a break from Eve... Update game lets go! or I guess not...
Since I've been gone my Alliance has moved around a bit.
Heres little old me sitting a Moros what used to be 2 cynos to get home
Now it's 8 Cynos plus a timer... hmmm ok Lets do this.
2 Days Later I'm 1 cyno away with almost a 30days fatigue timer and my next jump timer will be 2days xD Seems right...
All this just to get home >.> did they not add a hard limit .. i thought they were going to do that .. like 1 week or something would make sense
30 days |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1755
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Posted - 2014.11.28 23:27:15 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Just back after a break from Eve... Update game lets go! or I guess not...
Since I've been gone my Alliance has moved around a bit.
Heres little old me sitting a Moros what used to be 2 cynos to get home
Now it's 8 Cynos plus a timer... hmmm ok Lets do this.
2 Days Later I'm 1 cyno away with almost a 30days fatigue timer and my next jump timer will be 2days xD Seems right...
All this just to get home >.> Or you could use a gate once in a while. |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
112903
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Posted - 2014.11.29 10:43:37 -
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Home at last!
Jump Fatigue = 30Days 2hrs 9mins
Jump Activation = 2Days 16hrs 14mins
Now If I jump again in these 30days, I assume My Timer will go to 3days
I'm sorry but this seems silly? |
Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
168
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Posted - 2014.11.29 11:10:24 -
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It sure is, you shouldn't have let it build up that high in the first place.
Being dumb over an extended period of time doesn't mean it'll get reversed, so you might as well take the hint. |
Alice Saki
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
112908
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Posted - 2014.11.29 11:30:11 -
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Lord TGR wrote:It sure is, you shouldn't have let it build up that high in the first place.
Being dumb over an extended period of time doesn't mean it'll get reversed, so you might as well take the hint.
Oh dear god I guess almost 3 days of doing jumps and waiting is too short... Woe is me |
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Niskin
League of the Lost
117
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Posted - 2014.11.29 21:39:17 -
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Well you're hosed now, so just keep jumping since you'll actually benefit from the 30 day cap. But once you get there, wait out the 30 days, and then never do it like that again. Always wait your fatigue down to 10 minutes before you jump again unless you want things to get progressively worse really quick. You'll never need to wait more than 50 minutes between jumps that way.
Do A, not B.
Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.
-MooMooDachshundCow
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1755
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Posted - 2014.11.29 23:26:59 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Home at last!
Jump Fatigue = 30Days 2hrs 9mins
Jump Activation = 2Days 16hrs 14mins
Now If I jump again in these 30days, I assume My Timer will go to 3days
I'm sorry but this seems silly? What's silly is how poorly optimized your route was. |
Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2014.11.30 05:41:36 -
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Rowells wrote:Alice Saki wrote:Just back after a break from Eve... Update game lets go! or I guess not...
Since I've been gone my Alliance has moved around a bit.
Heres little old me sitting a Moros what used to be 2 cynos to get home
Now it's 8 Cynos plus a timer... hmmm ok Lets do this.
2 Days Later I'm 1 cyno away with almost a 30days fatigue timer and my next jump timer will be 2days xD Seems right...
All this just to get home >.> Or you could use a gate once in a while. Of course you could. Because Gate jumping solo in a moros in neutral or red sov is exactly what you should do.
Not everyone lives in sov surrounded by blues and are as protected as you Rowells.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1755
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Posted - 2014.11.30 05:59:14 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote:Rowells wrote:Alice Saki wrote:Just back after a break from Eve... Update game lets go! or I guess not...
Since I've been gone my Alliance has moved around a bit.
Heres little old me sitting a Moros what used to be 2 cynos to get home
Now it's 8 Cynos plus a timer... hmmm ok Lets do this.
2 Days Later I'm 1 cyno away with almost a 30days fatigue timer and my next jump timer will be 2days xD Seems right...
All this just to get home >.> Or you could use a gate once in a while. Of course you could. Because Gate jumping solo in a moros in neutral or red sov is exactly what you should do. Not everyone lives in sov surrounded by blues and are as protected as you Rowells. Then it comes down to whether or not you want to be safe, or get to desto faster. If I want to get anywhere fast from where I live, I have to go through a warzone. Or go around the long way. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1727
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Posted - 2014.11.30 06:25:49 -
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Sgt Ocker wrote: Of course you could. Because Gate jumping solo in a moros in neutral or red sov is exactly what you should do.
Not everyone lives in sov surrounded by blues and are as protected as you Rowells.
Could you explain to me how you solo cyno a capital somewhere, I am confused as to how this is possible. Can you also explain to me how being part of an alliance is 'solo'.
Both of these seem very confusing aspects to your argument. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6486
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Posted - 2014.11.30 08:27:41 -
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Rowells wrote:Alice Saki wrote:Home at last!
Jump Fatigue = 30Days 2hrs 9mins
Jump Activation = 2Days 16hrs 14mins
Now If I jump again in these 30days, I assume My Timer will go to 3days
I'm sorry but this seems silly? What's silly is how poorly optimized your route was. Yeah, you're doing what those people were suggesting that will get you to millenia-long timers.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
277
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Posted - 2014.11.30 08:48:28 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Sgt Ocker wrote: Of course you could. Because Gate jumping solo in a moros in neutral or red sov is exactly what you should do.
Not everyone lives in sov surrounded by blues and are as protected as you Rowells.
Could you explain to me how you solo cyno a capital somewhere, I am confused as to how this is possible. Can you also explain to me how being part of an alliance is 'solo'. Both of these seem very confusing aspects to your argument. Can you explain to me what jumping a Moros through a gate has to do with a cyno.
Or what 1 person needing to move a Moros because he or she has had a break and returned to find what used to be blues space is now red? IE; His or her alliance IS NO LONGER THERE>
NB; I wasn't making an argument; Just responding the to a comment that moving a Moros solo through gates is an option to waiting out timers.
Quote:Or you could use a gate once in a while.
Did you actually read the preceding post (the one I replied to) or just respond with something you thought clever. Some people just shouldn't..
- - - - - - - - - - - Rowells; The only reason you would have to go "through" the war zone would be to leave Nulsec. That is a good option.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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Niskin
League of the Lost
117
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Posted - 2014.11.30 16:31:35 -
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Number of accounts needed to drop yourself a cyno: 2 Number of accounts needed to scout a gate for yourself: 2
Remember kiddies: the best ship in Eve is Friendship.
-MooMooDachshundCow
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Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
169
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Posted - 2014.11.30 16:56:20 -
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Alice Saki wrote:Lord TGR wrote:It sure is, you shouldn't have let it build up that high in the first place.
Being dumb over an extended period of time doesn't mean it'll get reversed, so you might as well take the hint. Oh dear god I guess almost 3 days of doing jumps and waiting is too short... Woe is me I'm sure I could've done the same trip in a single day. Why? Because I'm not dumb or trying to force CCP into reverting the change by acting dumb. |
Attrezzo Pox
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.12.02 17:53:31 -
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I LOVE These changes. I've been gone since 2011 but this brought me back..
Nullsec was BORING once capitals and cyno jumping was introduced. Basically relegated to gate camps to catch poor new players or attacking some pos or station. Giant zerg fleets roaming around in 200+ ships daily and just making the whole experience a disappointing yawn-fest. |
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