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Aerakis Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.10.10 01:37:00 -
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I read that there may be/is a nerf bat somewhere ready to take a swing at bombers. I've only recently started flying them, and have already seen how insanely effective they are for wiping out entire fleets with little to no counter available. There are a lot of fits and ship types which may be excluded from doctrines/fun fleets because a handful of bombers will wipe them out.
From your experiences, do bombers need a nerf? If they do, what do you the players think the best way to bring them back into balance would be? Interested to hear what others think. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2242
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Posted - 2014.10.10 01:38:00 -
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No one really had a problem with bombers until they stopped decloaking one another and could be isboxed. Just sayin'. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2011
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Posted - 2014.10.10 01:53:00 -
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It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
GreenSeed
1185
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Posted - 2014.10.10 02:39:00 -
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bombers don't need a nerf, they need to have some its power moved from the front loading balance nightmare that bombs are, to a more sustained effect... maybe making bombs deal more damage, but deal it over time on an area instead of "BOOM fleet is gone".
or removing bombs completely, and giving torps fired from bombers AOE (the code is there), and allowing bombers to re-cloak even when targeted.
anything that will remove the insane alpha from bombs, while leaving bombers a viable deterrent to brainless blobs. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
365
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Posted - 2014.10.10 02:42:00 -
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Just remove bombs aoe.
They explode on impact. Deal even more damage. Like 15-20k alpha. Now you have bombs. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10033
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Posted - 2014.10.10 02:44:00 -
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Bombers are fine. Cloakies not decloaking one another is not. Nor ever was, when you get right down to it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
189
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:05:00 -
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I have had bombs chucked at me. They need a buff because i have yet to be blowed up by one. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
16999
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Posted - 2014.10.10 03:11:00 -
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Ban ISBoxers.
Bombers fixed. Mining Fixed. ISBoxer whine threads fixed.
Its like killing the Batman. Its simple and literally solves everything. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
674
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Posted - 2014.10.10 04:21:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ban ISBoxers.
Bombers fixed. Mining Fixed. ISBoxer whine threads fixed.
Its like killing the Batman. Its simple and literally solves everything.
I'm confused, since you are the one saying that does that mean it would be a good or bad thing
bring back the firewall is all I'll say, pretty sure we saw that used very well in the AT. Smartbombs seem to be the solution to every single problem in eve! I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me! In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod - Mara Rinn |
Shey Nabali
Collapsed Out Overload Everything
10
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:12:00 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ban ISBoxers.
Bombers fixed. Mining Fixed. ISBoxer whine threads fixed.
Its like killing the Batman. Its simple and literally solves everything. I'm confused, since you are the one saying that does that mean it would be a good or bad thing bring back the firewall is all I'll say, pretty sure we saw that used very well in the AT. Smartbombs seem to be the solution to every single problem in eve!
As someone who has multi-boxed a firewaller in damn near every fleet I've been in for the last couple months, they are incredibly useful and powerful, but they are far from a i-win button. They rock for killing small and medium drones, and they force heavies back into bays. But sentries can be a ***** and a half to clear quickly, since they can be spread over a huge volume of space. If they get dropped at around 100km(MJD) off, or within 20-30, it's pretty quick to clear them, but if they get dropped between 40-70, it's going to take awhile. And if they drop them directly on gate or station you can't smartbomb them at all. You really need 2-3 firewallers to clear heavies/gila drones or sentries quickly, and forget clearing rattler drones in less than a like 50 ******* cycles.
Bombs can come in from pretty much any direction. Firewalling BSs are just as slow as regular BSs, and cruisers can only fit medium smartbombs, making for a tiny margin of error. |
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Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1394
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:42:00 -
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O dear all those tears...how many of you have actually died to a bombing run in 0.0? TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a di++k joke."-áRobin Williams - RIP
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
792
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:47:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers.
And it removes a lot of issues in EVE.
When 5 guys can symphony slaughter 200 actual players the game becomes a poopsock. It's a form of botting and everyone knows it. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4332
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Posted - 2014.10.10 05:56:00 -
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Ocih wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers. And it removes a lot of issues in EVE. When 5 guys can symphony slaughter 200 actual players the game becomes a poopsock. It's a form of botting and everyone knows it. It's not botting though, so oh well. Set up isboxer, sod off to work then come back later and see how much has been accomplished. And the only "issue" that removing isboxers will accomplish is a handful of whiners will stop whining. I agree it's too easy in some circumstances to use isboxer fleets, but in most situations the same number of real people have a considerably higher efficiency. Nuking isboxer from the game completely would just be CCP throwing away subs to appease people who have no idea what they are talking about. The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog. Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list. Chrysus Industries - Savings made simple!
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Felicity Love
Imperium Galactic Navy
2154
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:09:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Just remove bombs aoe.
Which pretty much defeats the purpose -- in the same way that Titan DD's got hosed.
Bombs didn't used to be cheap, either, but they've been cheap as chips for years now.
THAT is the problem.
"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.-á-á ( Pick four, any four. They all smell. -á)
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
792
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Posted - 2014.10.10 06:52:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Ocih wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:It's simple.... we ban the ISBoxers. And it removes a lot of issues in EVE. When 5 guys can symphony slaughter 200 actual players the game becomes a poopsock. It's a form of botting and everyone knows it. It's not botting though, so oh well. Set up isboxer, sod off to work then come back later and see how much has been accomplished. And the only "issue" that removing isboxers will accomplish is a handful of whiners will stop whining. I agree it's too easy in some circumstances to use isboxer fleets, but in most situations the same number of real people have a considerably higher efficiency. Nuking isboxer from the game completely would just be CCP throwing away subs to appease people who have no idea what they are talking about.
I know exactly what I am talking about. Your bloo-bloo-bloo yarns won't convince me otherwise.
I also know why it wasn't removed a long time ago and that hasn't changed so don't get your knickers in a knot. EVE and ISBoxer are hand and glove for the foreseeable future. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5543
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:32:00 -
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Meh. I hardly figured out how to effectively use one and now they want to nerf it. Bring back DEEEEP Space! |
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
127
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Posted - 2014.10.10 07:36:00 -
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wahhh....... mommy those people are better at this game than me, ban them mommy!!! wahhh.......
ISBoxer is legal. If you can't afford to use it,(or aren't smart enough) that's your problem. lrn2eve
jelly much?
Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll. |
Aerakis Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.10.10 08:49:00 -
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*noob alert* What's an ISBoxer? Not come across that term before. |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
764
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Posted - 2014.10.10 09:07:00 -
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Aerakis Koskanaiken wrote:*noob alert* What's an ISBoxer? Not come across that term before.
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
571
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Posted - 2014.10.10 10:29:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Meh. I hardly figured out how to effectively use one and now they want to nerf it.
I can't seem to get it right at all so you're one up on me |
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
424
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Posted - 2014.10.10 10:58:00 -
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Aerakis Koskanaiken wrote:*noob alert* What's an ISBoxer? Not come across that term before.
It's a piece of software which allows you to copy/repeat/clone/propagate mouse clicks and keyboard commands on multiple interfaces or computers at the same time. |
Khema Fera
Brave Pros Incorparated
1
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:13:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ban ISBoxers.
Bombers fixed. Mining Fixed. ISBoxer whine threads fixed.
Its like killing the Batman. Its simple and literally solves everything. Had batman died, Gotham would have many dead people. So yeah, killing the batman =/= good idea.
Also, why do people have ISBoxer so much? **** would reach insane prices without all the multiboxers. |
Cebraio
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
431
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:14:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bombers are fine. Cloakies not decloaking one another is not. Nor ever was, when you get right down to it. Bombers are OP. Cloakies not decloaking each other is fine, simply because you can't see what will decloak you so you cannot avoid it. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5478
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:31:00 -
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And next month when CFC is flying bomber fleets, you'll be complaining that they're too hard to fly and don't offer effective risk/reward or some nonsense like that.
Day 0 advice for new players: Day 0 Advice for New Players |
knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
453
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:36:00 -
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Cebraio wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Bombers are fine. Cloakies not decloaking one another is not. Nor ever was, when you get right down to it. Bombers are OP. Cloakies not decloaking each other is fine, simply because you can't see what will decloak you so you cannot avoid it.
You can. Bombers were fine until they changed the mechanics. It was still possible to have large bomber fleets that didn't decloak each other, it just took some semblance of skill to perform. |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
172
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:44:00 -
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I could see a nerf to bomb damage and a fitting rebalance to make lesser used SB's more enticing. Maybe make bomb damage a role bonus.
Now if they really want to screw with people they'd give bombers a damage multiplier on rockets |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2247
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Posted - 2014.10.10 11:51:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:
You can. Bombers were fine until they changed the mechanics. It was still possible to have large bomber fleets that didn't decloak each other, it just took some semblance of skill to perform.
This. We don't ban the isboxer. We remove the thing that allows the isboxer to use bombers perfectly. |
embrel
BamBam Inc. Outlanders United
190
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Posted - 2014.10.10 12:54:00 -
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Thatt Guy wrote:wahhh....... mommy those people are better at this game than me, ban them mommy!!! wahhh.......
ISBoxer is legal. If you can't afford to use it,(or aren't smart enough) that's your problem. lrn2eve
jelly much?
what does ISBoxer have in common with l2Eve?
in some cases it's not the afford-part or the smart-part, but the not-sick or not-addicted enough part.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
137
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:02:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Ban ISBoxers.
Bombers fixed. Mining Fixed. ISBoxer whine threads fixed.
Its like killing the Batman. Its simple and literally solves everything.
those people dieing to isboxer can simply petition and get the ships back, incursion runners do it all the time because its said only 1 is the player and the rest are bots "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Notorious Fellon
345
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Posted - 2014.10.10 13:22:00 -
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Proximity should de-cloak.
Also, ban the use of command sharing/forking products like Isboxer. No one enjoys being on the receiving end of an automated, mindless alpha. At least require each ship to be human controlled.
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