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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.10.14 07:59:00 -
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Starrakatt wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:Iain Cariaba wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:... frequently used for the task of finding people in lieu of actually undocking and scouting for the target... Because it is sooooo easy to find someone in the thousands of systems that make up EvE. What is an intel network So by your reasonning, one needs a network of hundreds, if not thousand of scouts reporting all the time to be efficient at finding a specific target. I see how CCP would enjoy to have you and your buddies as paying customers...
It might slow down that rate that wardec organsiations randomly target everything they can within their budget. Might make you better at the game instead of just neutral alt-scouting with -10 standings on everything thats flavour of the week.
Or it might not. Seeing as you're FA your opinion suffers much bias. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
132
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Posted - 2014.10.14 11:38:00 -
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Tiirz wrote:If easy/free intel were to be addressed, removing or tweaking local would be a much better start. There is already a magic place this exists try heading there |
Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
104
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Posted - 2014.10.14 12:32:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:It might slow down that rate that wardec organsiations randomly target everything they can within their budget. Might make you better at the game instead of just neutral alt-scouting with -10 standings on everything thats flavour of the week.
Or it might not. Seeing as you're FA your opinion suffers much bias. OFC I am biased, considering I depends on Locator Agents to find my contracted war targets when they do log in. Not having these Locator Agents would make finding most if not all of them almost impossible. Unless one is to sit neutral alts in trade hubs and permacamp them, which is something FA is not in the habit of doing.
Except for Marmite, who has more players than most, most of the actual Hisec mercs will have between 5 to 20 people active on average in their peak time zones. Most of these players will have 1 or 2 neutral alts for scouting, which can cover a very finite amount of systems in any given time.
Now say I got a few WT online, I spend the next 5 hours to try to find them without Locators, without success. In fact, I recruit the whole FA 'intel network' which consists of 20 alts with 10 players online to find these 5 guys, for 5 hours.
Ooops, they seems to be nowhere in sight, maybe they are 15 jumps in Lowsec in the deep end of Khanid, or 45 jumps away in Dronelands, or whelps, they are in a WH.
How long anyone looking for specific people will continue to actually play that kind of game? Not me. Locator agents are needed, no in-game 'intel network', especially not a Hisec small scale pvp would be workable, unless you only want to cover a handful of systems.
If anything, Mercs and other hisec pvpers would just increase the number of wars and sit all day long on trade hubs and trade pipes and/or some select mission systems because finding your Contract targets would be almost impossible if they keep a low profile.
NPC Locator agents stays, or finding a specific target in New Eden becomes so hard nobody will care to do it. Forsaken Asylum's ways |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions Stain Confederation
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Posted - 2014.10.14 12:45:00 -
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As long as there is some way to avoid locator agents other than disappearing into a wormhole, I think they should stay. Atm I agree with the OP though. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:09:00 -
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Starrakatt wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:It might slow down that rate that wardec organsiations randomly target everything they can within their budget. Might make you better at the game instead of just neutral alt-scouting with -10 standings on everything thats flavour of the week .bla bla bla NPC Locator agents stays, or finding a specific target in New Eden becomes so hard nobody will care to do it.
maybe wardecs should remain between those corporations who actually have a reason to dec each other than just the random alphabetical lottery system wardec groups used when I was in 'the game'. Maybe merc corps should actually be contracted mercs instead of wardec instigators which falls far outside the intended design parameters of wardecs.
Let me make something clear, unless your corporation has a strong industry/whatever side to it, you ARE NOT the intended user of wardecs. Wardecs do not EXIST FOR YOU. They are for groups who are competing against other hisec manufactuerers/whatever and you as a military force are contracted in to deal with an armaments shortage, you are NOT the intended instigators.
Does that clear up wardecs for you? Or are you so self-invested in the status quo you can't see outside your carefully constructed OGB +2x neutral logi alts box that it's impossible to notice the obvious? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=348015 T3 OHing subsystem review and rebalance https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=290346 LP faction weapon store costs rebalancing
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:46:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:It might slow down that rate that wardec organsiations randomly target everything they can within their budget. Might make you better at the game instead of just neutral alt-scouting with -10 standings on everything thats flavour of the week.
Or it might not. Seeing as you're FA your opinion suffers much bias.
I've not heard of wardeccing corps tracking down members of potential targets using locator agents. I'm sure there are one or two out there (Cannibal Kane?). The ones that wardec my alliance have typically seen one of our member corp offices in a station and wardecced us, seen a mining fleet in action and wardecced us, saw a freighter passing through some system and wardecced us GǪ you know, the typical "I wardec industrial corps in high sec because I can't actually PvP" type.
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Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
104
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:09:00 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Does that clear up wardecs for you? Or are you so self-invested in the status quo you can't see outside your carefully constructed OGB +2x neutral logi alts box that it's impossible to notice the obvious? This is a subject for for a Wardec thread maybe, I thought this was about Locators?
You are making a lot of assumptions here, without knowing me or how I work. I run 1 scout, no Logi. I spend hours zipping around to find War Targets, running Locators as I go. Sometimes I am lucky and I get on a killing spree. Sometimes I kill nothing in hours. Look me up.
You also seem angry. Bad souvenirs about your time as 'I don't know how to pvp so I joined Whores in Space'? Or your more recent blobfest KB elite pvp?
Back to your OP: Fact is, when you use a Locator agent, one of few things will happen:
1 - Target is actually moving and you just lost a lot of time 'getting there' to catch it, and need to run another Locator. 2 - Target is docked. You may decide to ignore target or go and take a look anyway, at the risk of dealing with an AFKer and losing your time. 3- WT logged off or docked and went AFK and you still lost your time getting there or waiting for him/her. 4- He's space, and actually still there or around in the same Constellation when you get there, in which case the WT is likely either a mission runner, a miner or another PVPer - Which you should know already having gathered some intel beforehand anyway.
1,2 and 3 happens way more often than 4.
Forsaken Asylum's ways |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
693
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:10:00 -
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On the 'Grinding standings ' front I have level IV mission status with a large number of agents now and have yet to run a level IV mission, and ran very very few level III's. My mission standings came from the arc missions and my research agents, very little grind involved as this just happened whilst I went about my business in other areas. |
Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
104
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:14:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:It might slow down that rate that wardec organsiations randomly target everything they can within their budget. Might make you better at the game instead of just neutral alt-scouting with -10 standings on everything thats flavour of the week.
Or it might not. Seeing as you're FA your opinion suffers much bias. I've not heard of wardeccing corps tracking down members of potential targets using locator agents. I'm sure there are one or two out there (Cannibal Kane?). The ones that wardec my alliance have typically seen one of our member corp offices in a station and wardecced us, seen a mining fleet in action and wardecced us, saw a freighter passing through some system and wardecced us GǪ you know, the typical "I wardec industrial corps in high sec because I can't actually PvP" type. Locators are used to find actual WT, not to decide who to target - Unless one is gathering intel prior to said Wardec.
FA wardecs are Contracts to a ratio of maybe 1:5 random wardecs (those to give us content when actual Contracts stop logging for the week or hide in WH) - Locators are heavily used by a lot of us.
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Starrakatt
Hunter Killers. Forsaken Asylum
104
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:16:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:On the 'Grinding standings ' front I have level IV mission status with a large number of agents now and have yet to run a level IV mission, and ran very very few level III's. My mission standings came from the arc missions and my research agents, very little grind involved as this just happened whilst I went about my business in other areas. More or less teh same, though I ran some L4 when I was a noob - Epic Arcs are great for Faction standings, opening up all Locator agents. Now, maybe that make the access to Locators too easy. But then, OP seems to despise people taht spent time to get Standings in the first place... Forsaken Asylum's ways |
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Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:17:00 -
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Disagree they are needed it-¦s way to hard to fly through all systems to find one person.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
693
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:20:00 -
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Oh I forgot, -1 since this is a useful service available to anyone who has put the required effort in to access the service. |
Captain Cean
Holy Cookie
7
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Posted - 2014.10.14 15:10:00 -
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for the people that ask how to gain standing without missions: http://evemaps.dotlan.net/npc/State_Protectorate/agents
Nearly every FW agent is a locator and you gain standing while you do FW (i know this is not an alt. for everybody)
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Nevil Oscillator
18
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Posted - 2014.10.14 16:09:00 -
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I would say that the most obvious piece of equipment that might record which system someone is in would be a stargate, an information network could easily exist between the stargates. I'm not expecting this theory to completely hold water so fire away. Always remember that mining is a big fat yorkie eating working mans environment. Not for Girls As for Distribution |
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