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Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:12:00 -
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bug or nerf? Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll. |
xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:56:00 -
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Nerf.
They said bombers were getting a rebalance, and this hits isboxer bomber alts squarely. |
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:02:00 -
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WTF is with everyone whining about ISBoxer
HTFU and deal with it Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll. |
Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:14:00 -
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xttz wrote:Nerf.
They said bombers were getting a rebalance, and this hits isboxer bomber alts squarely.
And based on the posters in the reddit thread, it hurts non-isboxer bombers more than isboxer bombers. |
Fluoroantimonicacid
Nullbear Tear Extractors Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:18:00 -
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Gospadin wrote:xttz wrote:Nerf.
They said bombers were getting a rebalance, and this hits isboxer bomber alts squarely. And based on the posters in the reddit thread, it hurts non-isboxer bombers more than isboxer bombers.
As an isboxer, i think this change is awesome. Nobody will expect bombing runs anymore... until it is too late. |
Current Habit
Get LP or Die Trying
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Posted - 2014.10.10 21:20:00 -
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Bombing (that's the #1 thing affected by this change) should be somewhat difficult and it should especially be harder to multibox bombers than have individual pilots fly them.
Right now there is no reason to prefer actual people over multiboxed accounts and this change would worsen the problem |
fox targaryen
Nordwaffe
2
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Posted - 2014.10.10 21:38:00 -
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RIP real bombers
this is not a nerf to ISBoxing at all |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
175
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:02:00 -
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So, where is there a dev post stating this was intentional?
Also, this hardly hurts ISBoxing (which I really have little issue with). |
Chalithra Lathar
Rhongomiant Legion Industries The Explicit Alliance
19
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Posted - 2014.10.10 23:11:00 -
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Was thinking about resubbing the alts to put them in bombers, will have to wait and see how this pans out. |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
175
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Posted - 2014.10.10 23:28:00 -
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Basically, unless it was mentioned as being intended, or until it is mentioned as intended, treat it as a bug and report it as such. |
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Masao Kurata
Z List
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Posted - 2014.10.11 04:46:00 -
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If you want to nerf isboxer, ban it. |
Khema Fera
Brave Pros Incorparated
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Posted - 2014.10.11 04:57:00 -
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Stop hating on isboxer. Anyway.. How does this benefit ISBoxers? It might make it a bit easier for them but they're now severely limited in the amount of bombers they can use. If they stagger each of them 2.1k (to be out of decloak range), the max you can have is.. 7 from 1 direction. Before you could have 20. |
Oxide Ammar
164
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Posted - 2014.10.11 09:54:00 -
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If CCP stealthy nerfed cloaking each other back and never had the courage to write blog or reply to anyone and keep it silence and pass it through the expansion, that because they can't claim saying " we making stealth bombers decloaking each other because ISBOX fleets were too stronk". They can't talk about it,and they will never do. Unless you buff stealth bombers to absurd level to make up the loss of having big fleets decloaking each other..The entire ******* line now is going to drain. Thanks CCP and ISBoxers. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2014.10.11 10:42:00 -
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This is NOT an ISBoxer thread, take your whines somewhere else.
Was just looking for the answer to the OP:
Bugged or working as intended? Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll. |
Kosetzu
S1lver Flame
128
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:34:00 -
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I sure hope this is one of the insanely many bugs that have appeared now... You can't even see cloaked people in your fleet and you are supposed to avoid them >_> |
Sbrodor
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:52:00 -
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i hope someone of ccp developing that will take time to read that.
IsBOX bomber runs are an anomaly and have to be cancelled. But a multi boxer can set the warping default of every account to 3k 6k 9k 12k 15k 18j and then warp at 20 km from enemy and then warp at this pre-filled distance and avoid this with even more use intensive of isbox.
What this will kill are bomber wing based corp. When someone can deploy 40 pilot with every frig V and covop V and bomb launcher t2 this is not a nerf. it sound like the destruction of whole months of work. Training with combat probers bomber , having different warping , different wave for avoid each other destruction, use of lockbraker, use of void, work on fitting, work on warpout. These are path with long and intensive training for a corp and this patch will destroy and make impossible for real people to use them in wing.
We can deploy huge damage, is correct. Is easy to do? no. The classic "0.0 f1 monkey" can do that? no. We did tons of hour of practice and discovered new , good, teniques. Random bomber wing usually wipe at 1st bubbler , at 1st sabre bubbling entire wing. They make each other bomb explode and minimize damage.
IF target is ISbox u do a huge collateral damage with no reason.
The famous bomber bar in eve are few, no more than a dozen, and i think this is a value eve online need to keep. Random and inefficient bomber bar leave in field a lot of isk without any damage . IF there are a dozen of incredibile fleet in eve online is a value for the whole community. This is exactly the same point of nerving SMARTBOMB to headshot the ROOKS and KINGS. 95% of people can use smart bomb in inefficient, ineffective way and only 5% (RNK) can do the magic and i think is a value for the community having someone using in smart , magic way a module\ship. This is the only different way to fight without the classic f1-anchor-follow primary.
Do u want reise the level of difficult?
make the bomb can tank only 5 other bomb, more waves, more coordination. Let the bomb t1 load 1 bomb only and t2 only 2 so we need more covert transport for restock, more logistic difficult
hit directly is boxing but not real person with a passion in this way of fight. i think we deserve that.
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:58:00 -
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Sbrodor wrote:IsBOX bomber runs are an anomaly and have to be cancelled. But a multi boxer can set the warping default of every account to 3k 6k 9k 12k 15k 18j and then warp at 20 km from enemy and then warp at this pre-filled distance and avoid this with even more use intensive of isbox.
If an isBoxer can do this, why can't real players? |
Oxide Ammar
165
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Posted - 2014.10.11 12:00:00 -
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Thatt Guy wrote:This is NOT an ISBoxer thread, take your whines somewhere else.
Was just looking for the answer to the OP:
Bugged or working as intended?
Stop being lazy and check it by yourself. Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
Thatt Guy
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2014.10.11 12:30:00 -
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Oxide Ammar wrote:Thatt Guy wrote:This is NOT an ISBoxer thread, take your whines somewhere else.
Was just looking for the answer to the OP:
Bugged or working as intended? Stop being lazy and check it by yourself.
idiot
I have checked it, if you could read I'm asking for a confirmation (something that only CCP can give). Haters gonna hate, Trolls gonna troll. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
224
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Posted - 2014.10.11 13:03:00 -
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x-post from the WH subforum:
INB4 CCP says "Hurrdurr Just because it's on SISI doesnt mean it's gonna be on TQ." I would like to respectfully point towards the completely stupid mass spawn distance changes that was found ON SISI without CCP letting us know, and was only acknowledged after people posted about it, and they made the exact same post there. |
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Shuckstar
The Pack Fidelas Constans
224
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Posted - 2014.10.11 14:36:00 -
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Fluoroantimonicacid wrote:Gospadin wrote:xttz wrote:Nerf.
They said bombers were getting a rebalance, and this hits isboxer bomber alts squarely. And based on the posters in the reddit thread, it hurts non-isboxer bombers more than isboxer bombers. As an isboxer, i think this change is awesome. Nobody will expect bombing runs anymore... until it is too late.
I'm not a isboxer but i think this change was needed, I could never understand why a group of 30 cloaked ships all sat together wouldn't decloak each other like they used to. Makes using your Blackops Battleships a bit more tricky no more "warp to me cloaked" crap :) CCP Greyscale wrote:"OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)" |
Shuckstar
The Pack Fidelas Constans
224
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Posted - 2014.10.11 14:38:00 -
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fox targaryen wrote:RIP real bombers
this is not a nerf to ISBoxing at all
HTFU or GTFO
CCP Greyscale wrote:"OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)" |
Sbrodor
Oscura Simmetria Yulai Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.10.11 14:51:00 -
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xttz wrote:Sbrodor wrote:IsBOX bomber runs are an anomaly and have to be cancelled. But a multi boxer can set the warping default of every account to 3k 6k 9k 12k 15k 18j and then warp at 20 km from enemy and then warp at this pre-filled distance and avoid this with even more use intensive of isbox. If an isBoxer can do this, why can't real players?
with a software i can program the order of warp with minimal delay.
i'm in final position: bot 1 : warp to me at 3k wait 1 second: bot 2: warp to me at 6k wait 1 second and....
if i have to co-ordinate in ts3 the single warp of every human to avoid to decloack in mid warp from a hypothetical starburst tactical to final destination it will take eons to do. because if i set : marc warp to me at 3, chani warp to me at 6 dinox warp to me at 9 i can even do that but in fact we have to follow this order because if chani is in position at me at 6 and marc warp to me at 3 he decloack chani in mid warp.
this is in fact the finish of real people bomber wing in favor a more complicated program for multi boxer.
if the goal is hit multi boxer ccp did awesome collateral damage for that. if is hit the bomber wing done by people , i have nothing more to comment.
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Oxide Ammar
165
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Posted - 2014.10.11 16:19:00 -
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Thatt Guy wrote:Oxide Ammar wrote:Thatt Guy wrote:This is NOT an ISBoxer thread, take your whines somewhere else.
Was just looking for the answer to the OP:
Bugged or working as intended? Stop being lazy and check it by yourself. idiot I have checked it, if you could read I'm asking for a confirmation (something that only CCP can give).
Idiot.
File bug ticket and wait for its response, if they said it is bug then they will fix it if not then it's intended change. You see us with GM or CCP Dev tags to answer your question ? Lady Areola Fappington: -áSolo PVP isn't dead!-á You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing. |
Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
376
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Posted - 2014.10.11 16:37:00 -
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I thought cloaked ships in same fleet could see ships in same as cloaked effects to keep from slamming into each other? well if not that would be a nice deal for cloak fleet antics. Imperial Academy [IAC] Member for 5 years, 2 months, 29 days as of 10.09.2014.
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Kosetzu
S1lver Flame
128
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Posted - 2014.10.11 16:43:00 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:I thought cloaked ships in same fleet could see ships in same as cloaked effects to keep from slamming into each other? well if not that would be a nice deal for cloak fleet antics. Nope, cloaked ships can't be seen by anyone. If this change is intended it will kill the already niche aspect of cloaky combat... |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1733
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Posted - 2014.10.13 16:59:00 -
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Quote:17. Redundant and re-posted threads will be locked.
As a courtesy to other forum users, please search to see if there is a thread already open on the topic you wish to discuss. If so, please place your comments there instead. Multiple threads on the same subject clutter up the forums needlessly, causing good feedback and ideas to be lost. Please keep discussions regarding a topic to a single thread.
Thread locked. There is already another thread on this topic. Please post there. ISD LackOfFaith Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums. |
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