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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:51:00 -
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I've asked this a few times in F&I, but for some odd reason, no one has answered me.
When do the constant requests for nerfs, be it cloaking, ganking, whatever, stop? When will you finally be able to look at EvE as the cold game it is, and just play without asking for something to be changed because a game that's supposed to be hard is actually hard?
Maybe GD might provide answers, or maybe not. Either way, the trolls and tears will be entertaining from this thread, at least until it gets locked. Disclaimer: My opinion does not necessarily reflect that of my corp or alliance. My opinion is my own, and if you don't like, that is your problem. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5686
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:53:00 -
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Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied, no one wants to admit to themselves they are either. Hence the whinging. =]I[= |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6745
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:55:00 -
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The nerfing shall continue until morale improves.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2514
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:55:00 -
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The answer is simple , what is a benefit to one is an obstacle to others and as people can request obstacles to be removed there will never be an end to these ''requests'''.
People complain about the weather every day and that is something no one can change so go figure .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8533
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:03:00 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:I've asked this a few times in F&I, but for some odd reason, no one has answered me. When do the constant requests for nerfs, be it cloaking, ganking, whatever, stop? When will you finally be able to look at EvE as the cold game it is, and just play without asking for something to be changed because a game that's supposed to be hard is actually hard? Maybe GD might provide answers, or maybe not. Either way, the trolls and tears will be entertaining from this thread, at least until it gets locked.
You know this is a rhetorical question right? Because we know the answer (never).
Some tings need nerfing or buffing sometimes sure. Some things need to change sometimes. Not everyone who suggests a change (or suggest not changing something) has a bad agenda.
BUT it's also true that a LOT of the 'nerf requests' come when someone is handed a defeat (and thus a blow to their ego) and feel like any defeat of their awesome selves must indicate a problem with the game lol.
There was one former poster (who will not be named but who damn near all of you will know who it is in about 3 seconds) who ran to the forums EVERY.SINGLE.TIME something didn't go right for him in the game. Like shooting a poco and not being able to kill it with his isboxer gang because of timers (making all timers evil. Or how several times he warped in on someone in a null belt who was just warping off (alerted by local) made local a thing that needed to go. You know, an 'Infinite' amount of things wrong with the game that incidentally only became problems when they stopped HIM from winning Infinitely ... |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:28:00 -
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If something is successfully used against you, it is clearly overpowered and requires a nerf.
If you use something successfully to your advantage, its clearly underpowered and requires a buff.
Thus, the circle of life is maintained. Cue the music and the reckless dangling of a cub over a cliff. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2144
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Posted - 2014.10.10 19:31:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
If you use something successfully to your advantage, its clearly underpowered and requires a buff.
But...But your name! BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Retar Aveymone
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1012
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Posted - 2014.10.10 20:02:00 -
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when the game is completely perfectly balanced
this is a stupid question, really, "hard" is not an excuse for unbalanced because after all using something unbalanced makes the game easy |
DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
1081
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Posted - 2014.10.10 20:11:00 -
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The answer is never.
Because if they 'fix' afk cloaking today, then people will whine about something else. They fix that, they whine about something else.
Look at the current release model, people whined about ccp not finishing things and leaving stuff broken. CCP goes ok, we will fix that stuff and put new things on hold.
Then people whine about no new stuff just fixes...
Then people whine the power projection needs to be nerfed. So CCP goes to nerf it and people whine "not that way!" or "That's too much!"
People while that pos' suck, so ccp says 'over the next 18 months we will address this" so people then ***** about sov, don't fix pos' fix sov.
Its the song that never ends... it goes on and on my friends... OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.10 20:24:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:The answer is never.
Because if they 'fix' afk cloaking today, then people will whine about something else. They fix that, they whine about something else. This.
People will still AFK, just in different ways. Then we will see the rise of yet more whine threads on the subject.
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10046
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:08:00 -
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They never will, and so we must keep on killing more carebears.
It's the circle of life. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
157
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:13:00 -
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DaReaper wrote: Because if they 'fix' afk cloaking
They're somewhat fixing afk cloaking by nerfing jump drives. The biggest threat from afk cloaking wasn't the cloaked ship itself, it was the fleet that could cyno into it. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10786
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:30:00 -
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Let me ruin this thread ...
Suicide ganking is a horrible game mechanic and should be removed. It can't be that people who are clearly CRIMINALS can freely move around in highsec and dock in highsec stations while at the same time being shootable by everyone! Even CONCORD agrees and comes hunt them whenever they undock, so there's something completely wrong with this mechanic! If CCP was smart, they'd remove this completely and there would be far more people staying in this game! It's these griefers who harass others and do not tolerate their playstyles who make people unsub in masses! Why does CCP constantly give in to the whining minority of people? Statistics show that 75% of all people do not wish to engage in PvP!! It makes no sense! Why does CCP want to kill off their own game ???? I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10786
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:31:00 -
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*kinks*
*drops microphone*
*walks off stage*
(: :) I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Renegade Heart
Smack My Ship Up
238
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:33:00 -
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Carebears should calm down. It's just a game! |
Johan Civire
The Lyran Empire
864
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:35:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:DaReaper wrote: Because if they 'fix' afk cloaking
They're somewhat fixing afk cloaking by "nerving" jump drives. The biggest threat from afk cloaking wasn't the cloaked ship itself, it was the fleet that could "Cyrano" into it.
^ ^ | |
Here is a example how the circles work! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10786
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:39:00 -
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What also really needs to be nerfed is mining. And by mining, I mean everyone else. Not my own mining. The sole reason why mining doesn't bring in more profit comes from the fact that others are mining too! Why isn't this obvious to CCP? If they nerfed everyone elses ability to mine, then mining would clearly be way more profitable and people would stop whining about it!
Hell, why am I not game designer???
I would like to have the name CCP StarScream! I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10786
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:43:00 -
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Wait, there's more!
We also need a nerf to posting! What would really improve the forums a lot would be a nerf to posting frequency. If everyone would be able to post only every seven minutes ... not five, four or eight ... exactly seven minutes ...
... that's 450 seconds you math geniuses ...
... then the quality of posts on the forums would increase dramatically!
People would have to SIT AND WAIT until they can post again and their rage would go NOWHERE. They would have to contain it! Just THINK ABOUT THIS! And not only that, it would remove a huge amount of people who just constantly keep eating bait, because this timer would make their freaking heads EXPLOOOODE!!!!!
Just THINK ABOUT THE NEW PLAYERS! I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10786
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:45:00 -
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I'm sorry, but this thread is simply asking for it.
I could go on and on and on ... like how ninja salvaging needs to be nerfed, because WHY IN FREAKING FROZEN HELL are people allowed to warp into MY mission and steal MY wrecks?? They're white! They're yellow to him! Clearly they are MY wrecks! A salvager should at least create a SUSPECT timer! If it was for me, I would make them all go CRIMINAL and CONCORD should WTFBBQROFLSTOMP all over these BASTARDS who steal MY valueable SALVAGE that I want to sell on the market!!
Oh the market!! If CCP nerfed the other peoples ability to sell stuff on the market, prices wouldn't be SO FREAKING LOW! People could actually make MONEY in this freaking game!!!
HELL, THINK OF THE NEW PLAYERS !!!! I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10790
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:49:00 -
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I feel like there's this huge flood of bullshit I kept reading over the last five years ... ... and now it's just all coming up ..................................
.................... like ....................
They nerfed destroyers by making them shoot faster! In reality this never was about removing the RoF nerf, but about influencing the market for ammunition! What they really did was making ALL THE SMALL AMMO MORE EXPENSIVE! Clearly a nerf to all wallets everywhere! Isn't it insane?? CCP IS KILLING THEIR GAME!
AFK Cloaking is fine, though. But I believe there should be only one ship allowed to be cloaked per system, which obviously would be mine. That way, I can have my isboxed fleet of afk cloaking ships gank several targets at once in several different systems, while I am not even at the keyboard. Oh and CCP should clearly ban isboxer ... but only for everyone else!
Thanks, I'm done!
*kinks*
*drops headset with microphone attached*
*walks out of the theathre* I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10794
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Posted - 2014.10.10 22:50:00 -
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Top post!
Yes, I am sober. :) Just exhausted from HOURS of market combat.
Good night! (:
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2030
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:07:00 -
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Nerf nothing. Buff everything.
Except for supers. Death to all Supers. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
801
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:33:00 -
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We have had a nerf bat doctrine for 10 years. Most people are just playing the odds. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:47:00 -
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The vast majority of players don't actually request nerfs. It's just the relatively few people that post here and want their single minded game style buffed that cry about it.
And that just ain't gonna stop. Ever.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
410
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:55:00 -
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Never. Now and then you need to shake the sandbox so people can build new sandcastles. Else it would become stagnant.
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Creamdream
Unlimited Potential
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Posted - 2014.10.11 06:01:00 -
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when does your ignorance stop
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
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Posted - 2014.10.11 06:07:00 -
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it will stop when people stop being stupid and think they're entitled to the "content" of the game.
Jarod Garamonde wrote:Nerf nothing. Buff everything.
Except for supers. Death to all Supers.
frigates for the m-f-win! Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Liafcipe9000
Critically Preposterous
24292
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Posted - 2014.10.11 06:11:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Let me ruin this thread ...
Suicide ganking is a horrible game mechanic and should be removed. It can't be that people who are clearly CRIMINALS can freely move around in highsec and dock in highsec stations while at the same time being shootable by everyone! Even CONCORD agrees and comes hunt them whenever they undock, so there's something completely wrong with this mechanic! If CCP was smart, they'd remove this completely and there would be far more people staying in this game! It's these griefers who harass others and do not tolerate their playstyles who make people unsub in masses! Why does CCP constantly give in to the whining minority of people? Statistics show that 75% of all people do not wish to engage in PvP!! It makes no sense! Why does CCP want to kill off their own game ????
Here we see a sarcastic ganker talk against his own favourite activity of all time and what he was most famous for as the Merciless Overlord Of Hek all those years ago. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase
I like to gank it, gank it!
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Josef Djugashvilis
2595
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Posted - 2014.10.11 06:48:00 -
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Creamdream wrote:when does your ignorance stop
In my case, probably when I die in real life.
If I am wrong and there is in fact an afterlife, I shall continue to be ignorant for ever. This is not a signature. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10800
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Posted - 2014.10.11 07:50:00 -
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Liafcipe9000 wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Let me ruin this thread ...
Suicide ganking is a horrible game mechanic and should be removed. It can't be that people who are clearly CRIMINALS can freely move around in highsec and dock in highsec stations while at the same time being shootable by everyone! Even CONCORD agrees and comes hunt them whenever they undock, so there's something completely wrong with this mechanic! If CCP was smart, they'd remove this completely and there would be far more people staying in this game! It's these griefers who harass others and do not tolerate their playstyles who make people unsub in masses! Why does CCP constantly give in to the whining minority of people? Statistics show that 75% of all people do not wish to engage in PvP!! It makes no sense! Why does CCP want to kill off their own game ???? Here we see a sarcastic ganker talk against his own favourite activity of all time and what he was most famous for as the Merciless Overlord Of Hek all those years ago. MOOH.
That's remarkably fitting in a funny way.
Thank you. :)
*kinks* (: I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
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