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Alexandros T'dra
Easy Co. Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:30:00 -
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Ok, so CCP hates the Rorqual. It no longer is needed to compress ore as POS facilities do it far cheaper. It's getting a nerf to hauling distance that Jump Freighters can exceed easily so that role is gone. It's far cheaper to fly an Orca to receive similar mining buffs so that role is deprecated. So CCP, when you gonna give the Rorquals a little luv'n? |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1499
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:40:00 -
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EventuallyGäó |
Rems Issus
Associated Descendants of Eve Vanguard.
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:59:00 -
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As a fellow Rorq lover, I feel your pain. It's a shame to see what should be the ultimate industrial/mining tool left so far behind in terms of practicality. ~*~{Posting on my main, come at me bro}~*~ |
Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
60
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:51:00 -
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The Rorq needs a lot of love. Not just a once over "we adjusted x bonus by 0.00003% per level" balance. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:24:00 -
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Eve needs this thing, and its called Rorqual love..
**** it. im too tired tonight to do a Golden Earring parody. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6751
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:43:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Eve needs this thing, and its called Rorqual love.. **** it. im too tired tonight to do a Golden Earring parody.
Rorqual, Rorqual, candle light Doin' the town and doin' it right in the evenin' It's pretty pleasin' Rorqual Suzie, Rorqual Sam Do the jitterbug at a Rorqual Land And they shimmy, Sam is so skinny And they whirl and they twirl and they tango Singin' and jinglin' a jangle Float like the heavens above Looks like Rorqual Love...
/hangs head in shame
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Tollen Gallen
Glory of Reprisal Enterprise
8094
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:59:00 -
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I like Battleships. Zimmy Zeta - I f*cking love martinis. the original ones, with gin, not that vodka martini crap. Your old Friends can use me for 7 days, free!!! |
ashley Eoner
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:00:00 -
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Alexandros T'dra wrote:Ok, so CCP hates the Rorqual. It no longer is needed to compress ore as POS facilities do it far cheaper. It's getting a nerf to hauling distance that Jump Freighters can exceed easily so that role is gone. It's far cheaper to fly an Orca to receive similar mining buffs so that role is deprecated. So CCP, when you gonna give the Rorquals a little luv'n? I've wondered if you can take roquals into highsec if they change gates.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6399
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:09:00 -
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At least they haven't nerfed one thing.
You can still name it Optimus Prime and have it transform.
Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.10.11 05:27:00 -
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but but.
they have more Sig rad than any carrier or dreadnaught...
Wait, that's a bad thing? |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.10.11 08:34:00 -
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Ocih wrote:but but.
they have more Sig rad than any carrier or dreadnaught...
Wait, that's a bad thing? "What you gon' do with all that junk? All that junk inside that trunk?"
"All the right junk in all the right places."
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4843
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Posted - 2014.10.11 10:59:00 -
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Make it a mobile customs office:
Use PI space port to create orbital transfer point bookmark. Warp Rorqual there. Deploy (in 5min cycles). Link up from space port to deployed Rorqual. Transfer materials tax free.
At least one type of industrial core could allow that. Add more types of cores for other stuff. Like deploying as a moon mining array, a POS shield or capital mining station. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
159
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Posted - 2014.10.11 12:46:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Eve needs this thing, and its called Rorqual love..
**** it. im too tired tonight to do a Golden Earring parody.
I've been flyin' all night, my hand's wet on the mouse....... |
Jamagh
Grand Violations
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Posted - 2014.10.11 14:33:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Eve needs this thing, and its called Rorqual love..
**** it. im too tired tonight to do a Golden Earring parody. I've been flyin' all night, my hand's wet on the mouse.......
We've got a thing, and it's called Rorqual love. "Please stop reopening silly rumor threads."-á CCP Navigator. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2034
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Posted - 2014.10.11 15:02:00 -
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Rorqual pilots, prepare for your new role as mining fleet defense. Train Fighters. Changes inbound.
The prophet has spoken. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6409
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Posted - 2014.10.11 17:15:00 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote:Rorqual pilots, prepare for your new role as mining fleet defense. Train Fighters. Changes inbound.
The prophet has spoken.
If you remake that post as an F&I thread, and it actually influences CCP, I will be your personal slave for three weeks.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
938
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Posted - 2014.10.11 18:16:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote:Rorqual pilots, prepare for your new role as mining fleet defense. Train Fighters. Changes inbound.
The prophet has spoken. If you remake that post as an F&I thread, and it actually influences CCP, I will be your personal slave for three weeks. Mr Epeen I really hope you don't tell us what you are going to be doing in a few weeks. Some things are best not known
No seriously tell us |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.11 18:52:00 -
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Suggested buff to Rorqual: When active, every like you get on the forum gets doubled.
You have to be undocked though. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
Crimson Draufgange
Extreme Overkill Inc.
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Posted - 2014.10.11 20:44:00 -
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Ocih wrote:but but.
they have more Sig rad than any carrier or dreadnaught...
Wait, that's a bad thing?
Bigger is better...
if we're talking missiles. - Crimson Draufgange, CEO of Extreme Overkill Inc. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
3995
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:26:00 -
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Just to drop a line here:
I know the Rorq needs work. I'm not the only one. And I can't talk about any specifics Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |
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Regnag Leppod
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2014.10.11 21:34:00 -
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The Rorqual currently suffers from the same problem that every other mining related ship suffers from. Sitting Duck Syndrome.
Sure, it's got drones. wheeee..
I would predict that unless CCP turns it into a battle-worthy capital ship, it will still be relegated to the status of glorified POS module.
If they want to see Rorquals in asteroid belts, they need to allow them in high-sec, because other than deep-blue Null, it's not going to happen. |
Lister Dax
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:02:00 -
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No time suggested but there's a little hint hint in the dev-blog thread...... |
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
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Posted - 2014.10.11 22:51:00 -
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Make the Rorqual a mobile POS, but with a lot less HP than a POS has.
Make it so it can deploy in belts, with the shield up and allow other ships to park inside your shield for protection and allow them to actually mine the asteroids that are inside the shields too.
Make it so it cannot warp when deployed, and make it so those mining ships sharing the shields with you cannot warp while inside the shield with the Rorqual. Will have to exit the shield, or wait for it to come down to warp.
Leave the main defense as drones, like they are now.
Just a couple of ideas I have had in the past. Kinda sucked when they moved the compressions to the POS. |
Arronicus
Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2014.10.12 01:48:00 -
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Alexandros T'dra wrote:It no longer is needed to compress ore as POS facilities do it far cheaper.
As much as I sympathize with all the other rorqual pilots, and can agree that something needs to happen if they want our rorquals to be used in the belts, and more importantly, to be worth using there in the belt, it's clear that your post is built upon a few misconceptions like this one. Using a pos is not cheaper for ore compression than a rorqual. Assuming you are living out in nullsec, you are using a rorqual for gang boosting, which uses a small amount of heavy water per cycle to run your industrial core. Assuming you are not trying to get yourself killed, you are already doing this inside of a pos. So, to then compress your ore, at the end of a long mining session can be done at the tail end of a siege cycle, or simply a new one, for a small amount of heavy water. The cost is well under 1 million isk to compress a nearly limitless amount of ore as long as you have it on hand in arrays, or a freighter is holding it close to you.
Using a pos to do so, however, presumes that you have the roles to access and use a compression array, which involves some minor degree of trust in a corporation, and s not always afforded to every member. The cost of doing compression in both, is neglible, considering you already have the rorqual, and if you have the rorqual, you already have a pos. The difference comes in access, of which the rorqual is much easier, assuming you are not in highsec.
The rorqual doesnt need some massive shield. It doesnt need a huge addition of hitpoints, it doesnt even need better defences. A simple reduction to the industrial timer, down to say, 90 seconds, and 75 seconds on the tier 2 variant, with the indy core skill reducing siege time by 10% per level (down to 45, and 36.75) would not only make them safe enough to have located in the belt, since you could get out quickly, but it would make the stupid skill worth training past level 1, where currently it is not. Reward pilots who invest the time to train it up. |
It also wouldnt hurt if they had an additional access range, allowing them to open any container within say, 150km on grid, while in siege. Sure, there are capital tractor beams, but they are cumbersome, take up valuable highslots, and require a LOT of work if you have many miners mining at the same time. A dramatic access range increase would allow the rorqual to scoop up ore from lots of cans without micromanaging all those cans. |
TheFairyClinkerBell
The Fork Clever Use of Neutral Toons
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Posted - 2014.10.12 10:22:00 -
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Alexandros T'dra wrote:Ok, so CCP hates the Rorqual. It no longer is needed to compress ore as POS facilities do it far cheaper. It's getting a nerf to hauling distance that Jump Freighters can exceed easily so that role is gone. It's far cheaper to fly an Orca to receive similar mining buffs so that role is deprecated. So CCP, when you gonna give the Rorquals a little luv'n?
CCP Fozzie has said that they need "back end changes" to take place before they can work further on the Rorqual. That isn't an quote because I cannot find the quote but I remember reading it and that was what he was saying.
The jump changes before they were changed made it very clear that JFs and Capital Industrial Ships (CIS) where being kept separate from other capital drive using vessels. From this we could infer that with the CIS may be receiving a role change,
Personally I'm thinking that they want to encourage mobile mining operations so we may see Rorquals turning into something like mobile POS that allows mining boosts but also has a protective force field and very strong defensive statistics. Perhaps add the ability to have a jump bridge module (that only works on mining barges/exhumers) and improved compression abilities.
No idea really but those are a couple of the really left field ideas I've been throwing around in discussions with other pilots I know.
I'm probably wrong but they would require "back end changes" to make work :) |
Helena Heffalump
12
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:01:00 -
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i wanna see a change to the roqual so that it can fly into a belt, scoop up a whole rock, and process it internally for some time passively |
45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
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Posted - 2014.10.13 03:54:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Eve needs this thing, and its called Rorqual love..
**** it. im too tired tonight to do a Golden Earring parody. I've been flyin' all night, my hand's wet on the mouse.......
Or wet on something else lol |
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