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Joe Themachine
Blake Industries Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:11:00 -
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I hereby call order to the first Arek'Jaalan symposium of YC114-YC115 as mandated by internal community conversation, and upon receipt of 15 "Yes" votes from members of the Arek'Jaalan project.
This forum is now in order and in session.
Our topic is to decide on a new leadership, management, and scientific structure to manage, direct, promote, enhance, and enrich all independent research into sleeper technologies, and related scientific research currently classified under the Arek'jaalan umbrella of projects.
Central question that we hope to answer must be resitricted, in this session, to the following:
- What is the new leadership, management, and scientific structure that members of Arek'Jaalan believe will yield the greatest value?
Who (either through recommendation or personal volunteering) should be considered for positions in this new management structure?
What should be the governing mechanism of this new governing body (elections of CEO, assignment of directors, voting ownership???)
How should executive, managerial , scientific decisions regarding project direction be made by newly elected/assigned governing body?
Please provide responses, solicit debate, engage in clean discussions and help the group to reach a consensus driven conclusion. It is important we reach SOME conclusion in this symposium.
Hereby signed:
Joe TheMachine - Interim Symposium Organizer |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
6559
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Posted - 2014.10.12 19:17:00 -
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Joe Themachine wrote:What is the new leadership, management, and scientific structure that members of Arek'Jaalan believe will yield the greatest value?
The best way to ensure a fair scientific front is to ensure the leadership is not based on any one person who may have biases, but a community that self checks and self regulates.
Joe Themachine wrote: Who (either through recommendation or personal volunteering) should be considered for positions in this new management structure?
As far as day to day management, I would suggest Guillome Renard may be a good choice, though I'm unsure if he would want the responsibility.
Joe Themachine wrote: What should be the governing mechanism of this new governing body (elections of CEO, assignment of directors, voting ownership???)
I think the leading body should be a council or committee, possibly with voting, possibly not. The thing is, science isn't decided by popular consensus. What's true is true regardless of who votes for it, and that is something we should remember. Our pursuit needs to be of truth, not of any ideological objectives. [quote=Joe Themachine] How should executive, managerial , scientific decisions regarding project direction be made by newly elected/assigned governing body?
Its impossible to say without putting the situation out there, I would say that decisions should be made in an informed capacity on a case by case basis. If voting is being done, it should be something like 90% of the vote required to make a decision. We as scientists should be able to reach a consensus onto where our efforts would best be placed.
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Anslo
Scope Works
16789
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Posted - 2014.10.12 20:19:00 -
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I can't believe I'm ******* saying this, but Riordan is right.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
619
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:14:00 -
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Quote: 1. What is the new leadership, management, and scientific structure that members of Arek'Jaalan believe will yield the greatest value?
2. Who (either through recommendation or personal volunteering) should be considered for positions in this new management structure?
3. What should be the governing mechanism of this new governing body (elections of CEO, assignment of directors, voting ownership???)
4. How should executive, managerial , scientific decisions regarding project direction be made by newly elected/assigned governing body?
1. We need organisation and standards. One or more directors of research, to create a standardised format for reports, to aid communication. An archivist, to organise and categorise reports and other articles. A committee to handle disputes and stop people stepping on each others toes.
2. Morwen Lagann is a fine administrator and secretary, as evidenced in A'J's previous incarnation. I volunteer myself as well, as a director of research, given that I am the de-facto head of what was the "ancient races" division, a position I was appointed to by the previous head.
3. I don't believe a formal corporation is necessary, individual members have interests outside of A'J, after all.
4. An Ethics Committee already should be existent, run by Esna Pitoojee last I heard. We can discuss things there. |
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
1399
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Posted - 2014.10.12 21:18:00 -
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I am willing to resume my position in the A&D division as chief archvist/lead, if there are no substantive objections to my doing so.
The mailing list archive needs a touch-up, anyway. Morwen Lagann CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar Owner, The Golden Masque
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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
6559
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Posted - 2014.10.13 03:34:00 -
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I would support Morwen Lagann's position as A&D Division chief Archivist, Valerie Valete's position as ancient races lead, and Esna Pitoojee as head of the Ethics Committee.
I'll volunteer to do...something. I was still in school during the last Arek'Jaalan, I interned at Site One.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10872
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Posted - 2014.10.13 09:01:00 -
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This is interesting... I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy Imperial Outlaws.
655
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Posted - 2014.10.13 09:04:00 -
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Color me surprised but I'm very happy to see this happening. Best of luck to all of you involved.
-Eran |
Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
356
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Posted - 2014.10.13 10:47:00 -
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Should it be required, I would be happy to run security for this project .I do not have an overly scientific mind, but I have experience dealing with both Sleepers and Capsuleers. I like to think I'm actually pretty good at handling the latter. She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
377
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Posted - 2014.10.13 12:13:00 -
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I'd be very willing to assist in whatever capacity I can. My bullshit detector is 2nd to none. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10883
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Posted - 2014.10.13 13:22:00 -
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This screams for a long con with hostile takeover. I suggest being well aware of who you let join your ranks. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
170
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Posted - 2014.10.13 14:43:00 -
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It is long overdue that we, the capsuleers, took the continuation of the Arek'Jaalan projects into our own hands.
Thus I fully support my CEO here
Saede Riordan wrote:The best way to ensure a fair scientific front is to ensure the leadership is not based on any one person who may have biases, but a community that self checks and self regulates.
On the other hand, I have no idea who mr. Renard is, and don't trust him to either manage the project or to collect the Sleeper materials that are supposed to be donated en masse. Why doesn't he present his vision here, on IGS, but instead resorts to third parties?
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
775
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Posted - 2014.10.13 16:58:00 -
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This symposium is for two years ago? |
Joe Themachine
Blake Industries Firmus Ixion
37
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Posted - 2014.10.13 19:50:00 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:This symposium is for two years ago?
Apologies if I might have gotten the years wrong. I thought this year was yc114 and next year was yc115, but its actually 16-17... Making that correction above. |
Tsalaroth
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
33
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:10:00 -
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1- What is the new leadership, management, and scientific structure that members of Arek'Jaalan believe will yield the greatest value?
2- Who (either through recommendation or personal volunteering) should be considered for positions in this new management structure?
3- What should be the governing mechanism of this new governing body (elections of CEO, assignment of directors, voting ownership???)
4- How should executive, managerial , scientific decisions regarding project direction be made by newly elected/assigned governing body?
Leadership: joint leadership through executive CEOs and directors as well as individual CEOs with potentially elected/mandated super-executives.
Management: much of it should come from "enablers" and external services. There should be little need for anything other than single managers for various areas within the project. IT will be important all around; science flows much better with it.
Science: This can be determined at the corporate / alliance level and it will emerge to the top on its own, once initial structure and collaboration has begun. Science will generate feedback for "Management" to take on new hurdles as they emerge.
I really think a loose (+1.0 standings) coalition is the best generalized structure for this project. No need to even change the name. If the coalition needs to be stronger, it can adjust.
Sorry for being a couple of days late to the discussion.
My credentials: 20 years in "enabling" at IT, project and corporate leadership levels. And also doing so for capsuleers for the past 3 years. |
Tsalaroth
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
33
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Posted - 2014.10.14 14:15:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Color me surprised but I'm very happy to see this happening. Best of luck to all of you involved.
-Eran
We have friends in your alliance, we should talk sometime. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
472
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Posted - 2014.10.15 07:43:00 -
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[quote=Valerie Valate]Quote:A committee to handle disputes and stop people stepping on each others toes.
Given my past involvement in the project and extensive experience as a negotiator and a mediator, I'll volunteer to take care of the Internal Security division then.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
6588
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Posted - 2014.10.15 10:29:00 -
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If we're going to have pirates doing our security, at least get Vincent Pryce.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
114
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Posted - 2014.10.15 11:43:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:If we're going to have pirates doing our security, at least get Vincent Pryce. Does he even have the patience for that? |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
378
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Posted - 2014.10.15 11:48:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:If we're going to have pirates doing our security, at least get Vincent Pryce.
I would be more than happy to join the security department, on thinking about it... I could certainly offset the impact of the more angelic volunteers, and my time with the RSS might be put to purpose.
I'm certain Mr. Caine or Ms. Kalaratiri will have no objections. GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
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Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
2
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Posted - 2014.10.15 11:59:00 -
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It's good to see this getting some momentum.
First, I'm happy to see Morwen Lagann, Valerie Valate and Esna Pitoojee ready to take or confirm the lead in their respective divisions, and approve of this without hesitation. In the same vein, I would like to propose myself to take lead in the Multidisciplinary division (Unless Akasha Prime is still active and willing to take this position?). It was always the division I was the most involved into, my project was under it's responsibility, and I maintained a good think tank on astrophysics through my corporation.
Coming back to the matter at hand:
I would like to reiterate here the important idea that Arek'Jalaan must not become a formal alliance or corporation, in CONCORD's sense of the word. This would expose us to formal war declarations, and, as Dr. Valate already mentioned, individuals need extra room.
My idea for a renewal of Arek'Jalaan would be this:
- We keep the existing divisions (almost all of them, more on that later).
- Each division is either a Research Division (blue in the next diagram), or an Administrative Division (red in the next diagram).
- Each division will have a Division Leader (and a Substitute, to act in his or her place when unavailable for critical periods of time.)
- Decisions regarding Arek'Jalaan as a whole will be taken by a Council of the Division Leaders, with a majority of 2/3.
- The Arek'Jalaan Council will have a Chairman, designed by its members, who will be in charge of leading the Council's discussions, and in general, act as an embodiment of Arek'Jalaan for any action requiring a specific person.
- Every Division Leader will become Chairman, this position being passed every month to the next Division Leader.
- Mandates of the Division Leaders (and Substitutes) should be renewed at the Division's members discretion. Terms should be kept long enough to be meaningful. (A year ?)
- Division Leaders are encouraged to consult their Division Members when possible and needed, but may take decisions on behalf of their Division without concentration, without any penalty other than a lower chance of reelection for a later term.
- Division Leaders will be in charge of establishing or maintaining any communication medium for their Division internal discussions, as before.
Here, a diagram.
Concerning the Divisions:
I am rather opposed to the creation of an "Internal Security" division, mentioned earlier. This should already be quite in the realm of the Security Division.
In a more general way, I think we should cut down on the existing divisions. Recenter our forces, after the bleeding of brains we suffered, and, in the organization presented above, this will give us less Division Leaders, for a more efficient Council.
Research Divisions:
- Sleeper Technology and Sleeper History should be merged, IMHO.
- Same goes for Talocan History and Talocan Technology.
- Rogue Drones remains unchanged.
- Ancient Races remains unchanged.
- Multidisciplinary remains unchanged, although maybe a name change could be useful.
Administrative Divisions:
- Acquisition remains unchanged, and will continue to manage mobile assets.
- Security remains unchanged.
- The Ethics Committee remains unchanged.
- Archiving and Documentation absorbs Media Relations & Information Dissemination.
- Multidisciplinary remains unchanged, although maybe a name change could be useful.
- Logistics & Administration is disbanded, it's responsibilities shared between Acquisition and the Council.
This gives us 10 Divisions, a Council of 10 people will already be hard enough to manage. 7 votes would be required for a motion to pass.
This vision is very clear for me, but please give me your feedback, or feel free to take it as a starting point and iterate.
(Edit: As far as the "Who" question goes, besides my own candidacy to the role of Multidisciplinary Division Lead, and the approval of my other "re-emergent colleagues", I have no recommendations. I would be very happy to see former Division Leads coming back, especially those who held delicate positions, such as the Antiquarian. If they do not want to be involved again, replacements can be selected by us as a whole once we have our structure defined.) |
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
102
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Posted - 2014.10.15 14:01:00 -
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I'm willing to offer my support and services to security arm of A'J as i did during construction of Antiguus and when there were active threaths towards the project.
As for the security while details should remain with in the security should be as transparent as possible to other arms of the project. Also i have no objections on having ms. Siikanen as security lead instead of mr. Caine as she possesses much better reputation and standing among capsuleers and has less subversive reputation than mr. Caine |
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
6589
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Posted - 2014.10.15 15:00:00 -
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+1 to everything Gehen Sealbreaker said. Also if we need a division head for Sleeper Research, I'll be happy to take the position.
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Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
286
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Posted - 2014.10.15 16:42:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:Also i have no objections on having ms. Siikanen as security lead instead of mr. Caine as she possesses much better reputation and standing among capsuleers and has less subversive reputation than mr. Caine
Quite a subjective statement. Are you sure you're suitable for this scientific endeavour? Karynn Denton Caravan Master
#forzajules
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Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
102
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Posted - 2014.10.15 17:45:00 -
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Karynn Denton wrote:Naraish Adarn wrote:Also i have no objections on having ms. Siikanen as security lead instead of mr. Caine as she possesses much better reputation and standing among capsuleers and has less subversive reputation than mr. Caine Quite a subjective statement. Are you sure you're suitable for this scientific endeavour?
I admit that my opinion is colored by personal experience with both of them and based on that experience i find Mr. Caine and his associates in Stillwater to be subversive as well as i dont have high opinion of Angel cartel either. My skills are more in security and combat as well as reconnaissance as recent addition rather than scientific in nature but i'm wiling to use those skills if needed for A'J regardless who is going to be chosen as head of security. |
Joe Themachine
Blake Industries
40
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Posted - 2014.10.15 21:12:00 -
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I am letting all forum participants that the debate will be extended for another 11 days per our earlier announcement (2 week period).
Please continue to list your ideas, make recommendations, and solicit opinions. I am gathering, summarizing, and detailing proposals, objections, and will be sharing the summary of discussions at the end of this part of the symposium, as well as at the second part of the symposium which will include the voting call.
Finally, voting in the second part of the symposium on your proposals will be done via open ballot. If you have objections to this, please outline them and present new (and reasonable) options.
Thank you.
Joe TheMachine - Interim Symposium Organizer
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Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
3
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Posted - 2014.10.16 05:50:00 -
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Naraish Adarn wrote:Karynn Denton wrote:Naraish Adarn wrote:Also i have no objections on having ms. Siikanen as security lead instead of mr. Caine as she possesses much better reputation and standing among capsuleers and has less subversive reputation than mr. Caine Quite a subjective statement. Are you sure you're suitable for this scientific endeavour? I admit that my opinion is colored by personal experience with both of them and based on that experience i find Mr. Caine and his associates in Stillwater to be subversive as well as i dont have high opinion of Angel cartel either. My skills are more in security and combat as well as reconnaissance as recent addition rather than scientific in nature but i'm wiling to use those skills if needed for A'J regardless who is going to be chosen as head of security.
This is going to devolve quite fast, I think. I am not the Symposium moderator, and every contribution is welcomed, but perhaps we should postpone discussions regarding contested vacant Division Leader seats to later? After all, there will be a head of Security if something more or less the vision I exposed is put into place... But someone else might make a proposal where there is no formal Security Division. The question of who is going to lead it would then be moot.
In case someone would like to point out that I contributed exactly to that slightly off-topic discussion earlier, please keep this in mind.
Coming back to the point, and regarding the debate at hand, I think the model I exposed earlier lacks proper rules to determine who is going to lead a Division. I will propose some later if no-one has, but I would prefer this to be a collaborative work.
On a side note, I came back to New Eden's central regions from my corporation's research facilities yesterday, and will remain around Eram - and Antiquus - if some old friends (or possibly new ones) want to meet face to face. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
472
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Posted - 2014.10.16 07:42:00 -
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Saede Riordan wrote:If we're going to have pirates doing our security, at least get Vincent Pryce.
And this is exactly why we need a Security division, Internal Security inculded. I mean, besides people already using such slurs on page one.
I suppose you're quick to forget the primary concept of Arek'Jalaan involves anyone wishing to help in the effort, regardless of their political affiliation. It's as much as your security as anyone else's wishing to get involved.
Regardless, Ms. Riordan, since I don't recall you or your associate being the part of the first Arek'Jalaan session 3 years ago unlike myself, who has spent some time with its Security Department, I'd advise you to keep to things you know better. Oh, and the head of the Ethics Committee was an Angel too, just thought I'd mention that.
I'm afraid I have all the qualifications for the position, so unless you have something more concrete than trying to discriminate me regarding my political allegiences... Please, just stop. It's casting a bad light on our whole project.
I'll start composing something in the upcoming hours and contact Ms. Kalaratiri and Ms. Siikanen so we can hopefully put things into motion with as little difficulties as possible. - Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim ___________________________ Angels are never far... Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc |
Kyllsa Siikanen
Gradient
378
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Posted - 2014.10.16 11:21:00 -
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I will be only too happy to work with you both on this.
Sounds like a joke.
Two Angels and a Sebiestor Shaman walk into a bar... GÇ£Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do.GÇ¥-á
GÇò C.S. Lewis-á |
Anslo
Scope Works
18268
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Posted - 2014.10.16 12:14:00 -
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How about I head your little security **** show? Heh.
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