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Anslo
Scope Works
20846
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Posted - 2014.11.05 15:23:22 -
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Screw that. Get to the point where something happens. Good or bad. I don't care. I'm sick of this farce of a Project and the control it tries to exhibit in the same of "caution."
Light the fire and let it all burn to the ground!
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
322
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Posted - 2014.11.05 15:55:37 -
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Anslo, I'm no expert on upsetting people or undermining their credibility, but it seems to me like it would've been better to not announce what you had done. That way, you could've let people spend hours debating the ethics of the issue while to knowing yourself that it was all completely redundant and a meaningless waste of their time, then laughed at them publically when the other shoe dropped.
As it is now, they're probably just going to reorganize their priorities right away. |
Anslo
Scope Works
20863
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Posted - 2014.11.05 16:01:49 -
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Holy ******* **** you give me way too much credit for planning things ahead of time Gwen. I appreciate it but **** I just wanted to do something and laugh at them.
But hey if they organize something, good for them.
After they debate the ethics of it. And the feasibility. And the reasons. And who would lead it. And who would fund it. And then argue why the leader isn't good enough. Then argue about Empires. Etc, etc, etc.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Shaera Taam
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
121
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:38:26 -
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Anslo wrote:Aaaand items submitted. I said you'd regret it. And this is only the opening act! Just wait for the real show to start rocking the cluster.
Anslo wrote:Screw that. Get to the point where something happens. Good or bad. I don't care. I'm sick of this farce of a Project and the control it tries to exhibit in the same of "caution."
...and the perceived "farce" of a single capsuleer organization is enough for you to do this?
Does it surprise you so much that a group of scientists ( and their supporters ) would want to try to learn something from a situation before it spirals out of control? Or perhaps /keep/ it from spiraling out of control by taking, what is in the grand scheme, a little extra time to move forward?
While I tend to respect and admire you, Anslo, as a man of decisive action, I find it hard to admire anyone who would put so many lives in danger for no other reason than a pique of spite.
Anslo wrote: Light the fire and let it all burn to the ground!
Famous Last Words? I pray not...
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess!
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Anslo
Scope Works
20904
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:40:35 -
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I sure as hell hope so. Also, it ain't no 'pique' of spite. It's a whoooole hell of a lot of spite.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
32
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Posted - 2014.11.05 19:44:45 -
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I love politics.
*popcorn* |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2014.11.06 01:14:03 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:I love politics.
*popcorn*
**** politics! My clan emigrated out all the way out to Skarkon and settle in the outskirts because we are sick of the darn politics! |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4091
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Posted - 2014.11.06 03:29:56 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:I love politics.
*popcorn* **** politics! My clan emigrated out all the way out to Skarkon and settle in the outskirts because we are sick of the darn politics!
And you were abandoned by the Republic, taken in by the Angel Cartel, taken back by the Republic after which I see that you, yourself, wound up flying for the Federation.
So how's that working out for you?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
177
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Posted - 2014.11.06 04:10:26 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:I love politics.
*popcorn* **** politics! My clan emigrated out all the way out to Skarkon and settle in the outskirts because we are sick of the darn politics! And you were abandoned by the Republic, taken in by the Angel Cartel, taken back by the Republic after which I see that you, yourself, wound up flying for the Federation. So how's that working out for you?
We never did get taken in by the Cartel, considering that our settlement was nowhere near any city, located at the edge of that part that is barely terraformed. As for the Republic, we had taken a wait-and-see approach and weren't impressed with how they handled things.
So we stayed put, wait for the dust to clear and salvage all the pieces to refurbish and trade.
As for why I'm flying for the Feds? Blood money. Plain and simple. There are things to shoot down, wrecks to plunder, and on top of it all, we are getting paid with trinkets that can be redeemed for something of actual value. Far as I hear it the place always has activity so that's why I moved operations there.
And the Amarr just had to kick the pendulum the other end by the time I had everything set up. Lousy timing that is. I suppose I could enjoy the change of scenery and have a taste of Gallente culture and a crack at the Vexors while I'm here. |
Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
24
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:21:47 -
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Anslo wrote:Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:Anslo wrote:Huola Coalition fully withdraws any and all offers of assistance, fleet support and/or otherwise, to this project as it stands. Who? You're going to regret this.
((OOC : Above exchange simplified due to limitations on nested quotes - 2 intermediate replies omitted))
Anslo wrote:Aaaand items submitted.
I said you'd regret it. And this is only the opening act! Just wait for the real show to start rocking the cluster.
Did... did you helped in delivering these items, potentially opening a Pandora's Box, because I mocked what I perceived as self-importance on your part?
I was quite expecting gatecamps, pointless shows of military superiority over my non-combatant associates, but this... I need to think about this.
*troubled voice recording* Mr. Themachine, this first step of the Symposium is overdue... Perhaps we should get this discussion back on track, and, well, proceed... |
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
418
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:30:33 -
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I'm genuinely impressed at the gross negligence on the part of this council in determining credible threat. Seems that pieces of tin and special hats have far more allure than realistic profiling of where you should be standing and who you should be shouting at.
The reasons to yell and bawl at individuals such as Anslo, who are by their nature abrasive and antagonistic, are many. They become fairly unimportant when such individuals hold a gun (or part of a gun) to the head of your vaunted sense of self-preservation and due process. Simply put, you have fallen victim to the hubris you accuse your opponent of possessing in this case.
My advice is to do away with this Covenant of Wishful Thinking and instead learn to act individually, cooperate when necessary and for the love of Ida learn to profile credible threats regardless of how they present themselves in text.
Any additional consultancy will be charged at the usual rates; ****-storm bunkers don't pay for themselves and the supply/demand curve is about to get skewed.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange: Adaptable Industry for an Unpredictable Cluster
Intaki Reborn.
Independent Capsuleer.
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Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
685
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Posted - 2014.11.06 10:34:25 -
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Shaera Taam wrote: While I tend to respect and admire you, Anslo, as a man of decisive action, I find it hard to admire anyone who would put so many lives in danger for no other reason than a pique of spite.
Clearly you haven't seen how he flies.
-Eran
Edit: Also who is the Huola Coaltion? I've never heard of such a thing either. |
Ollie Rundle
197
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Posted - 2014.11.06 11:44:21 -
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Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:Anslo wrote:Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:Anslo wrote:Huola Coalition fully withdraws any and all offers of assistance, fleet support and/or otherwise, to this project as it stands. Who? You're going to regret this. ((OOC : Above exchange simplified due to limitations on nested quotes - 2 intermediate replies omitted)) Anslo wrote:Aaaand items submitted.
I said you'd regret it. And this is only the opening act! Just wait for the real show to start rocking the cluster. Did... did you helped in delivering these items, potentially opening a Pandora's Box, because I mocked what I perceived as self-importance on your part? I was quite expecting gatecamps, pointless shows of military superiority over my non-combatant associates, but this... I need to think about this. *troubled voice recording* Mr. Themachine, this first step of the Symposium is overdue... Perhaps we should get this discussion back on track, and, well, proceed...
If you bait a bear be prepared for it to bite.
Well done, Anslo. If nothing else, you've made things interesting. |
Anslo
Scope Works
20949
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Posted - 2014.11.06 12:56:21 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Shaera Taam wrote: While I tend to respect and admire you, Anslo, as a man of decisive action, I find it hard to admire anyone who would put so many lives in danger for no other reason than a pique of spite.
Clearly you haven't seen how he flies. -Eran Edit: Also who is the Huola Coaltion? I've never heard of such a thing either. Ask yourself how you didn't take Huola a few months ago.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Foley Aberas Jones
Huogikku Corporation Heiian Conglomerate
71
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Posted - 2014.11.06 13:25:58 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Shaera Taam wrote: While I tend to respect and admire you, Anslo, as a man of decisive action, I find it hard to admire anyone who would put so many lives in danger for no other reason than a pique of spite.
Clearly you haven't seen how he flies. -Eran.
Clearly you haven't removed that stick from your ass
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
325
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:36:08 -
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Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:Did... did you helped in delivering these items, potentially opening a Pandora's Box, because I mocked what I perceived as self-importance on your part?
I was quite expecting gatecamps, pointless shows of military superiority over my non-combatant associates, but this... I need to think about this.
*troubled voice recording* Mr. Themachine, this first step of the Symposium is overdue... Perhaps we should get this discussion back on track, and, well, proceed...
Mister Sealbreaker,
I really wouldn't let yourself fret too much about it - If he hadn't done it first, someone certainly would have, as I said. Neither his motives nor the act itself will have any ultimate effect on the final state of the situation.
What I would suggest is most important thing to work towards now is damage control, and to investigate Dr. Tukoss's circumstances and motives. I would suggest that attempting to firmly establish the common link because the systems he listed in his statement would be a good start, and fairly suitable towards the projects capabilities. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
180
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Posted - 2014.11.06 14:57:22 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Gehen Sealbreaker wrote:Did... did you helped in delivering these items, potentially opening a Pandora's Box, because I mocked what I perceived as self-importance on your part?
I was quite expecting gatecamps, pointless shows of military superiority over my non-combatant associates, but this... I need to think about this.
*troubled voice recording* Mr. Themachine, this first step of the Symposium is overdue... Perhaps we should get this discussion back on track, and, well, proceed... Mister Sealbreaker, I really wouldn't let yourself fret too much about it - If he hadn't done it first, someone certainly would have, as I said. Neither his motives nor the act itself will have any ultimate effect on the final state of the situation. What I would suggest is most important thing to work towards now is damage control, and to investigate Dr. Tukoss's circumstances and motives. I would suggest that attempting to firmly establish the common link because the systems he listed in his statement would be a good start, and fairly suitable towards the projects capabilities.
As I already said before, the body parts should be examined, a hypothesis of his intent should be drawn up and then a plan has to be put together for the worst case scenario. But so far all I'm seeing is finger-pointing instead of actual work being done. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4093
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:38:52 -
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Ollie Rundle wrote: If you bait a bear be prepared for it to bite.
Well done, Anslo. If nothing else, you've made things interesting.
I did warn the good Doctor Sealbreaker that Anslo is more a man of reckless action than sedentary navel-gazing and words. He misunderstood my comments to be a simple criticism of his organisations combat record. The point is that when Anslo gets angry, these days, he seeks redress by undocking and doing things with ships, in space.
That could be shooting ships, sure, but it could also be exploding laboratory complexes, interdicting supply routes or delivering chunks of jovian into a container in open space.
We may make our living as combat pilots, but we aren't stupid. Anslo understood that Doctor Sealbreaker's ricebowl was measured contemplation and control. He took those things away.
I'm kinda proud, actually.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Anslo
Scope Works
20952
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:45:11 -
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You're making me blush Tuulinen~
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Ollie Rundle
197
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:47:14 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:I did warn the good Doctor Sealbreaker that Anslo is more a man of reckless action than sedentary navel-gazing and words. He misunderstood my comments to be a simple criticism of his organisations combat record. The point is that when Anslo gets angry, these days, he seeks redress by undocking and doing things with ships, in space.
That could be shooting ships, sure, but it could also be exploding laboratory complexes, interdicting supply routes or delivering chunks of jovian into a container in open space.
We may make our living as combat pilots, but we aren't stupid. Anslo understood that Doctor Sealbreaker's ricebowl was measured contemplation and control. He took those things away.
I'm kinda proud, actually.
At present, I remain unconvinced that Anslo's lesson has been fully absorbed. Time will tell one way or the other, I suppose. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4094
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Posted - 2014.11.06 17:15:50 -
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Anslo wrote:You're making me blush Tuulinen~
Senpai noticed you?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Anslo
Scope Works
20958
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Posted - 2014.11.06 17:38:21 -
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Finally after all the time senpai noticed~~
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune
178
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Posted - 2014.11.08 22:24:58 -
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While we have made our current stance regarding this symposium public via the Arek'Jaalan mailing list, it has been requested that we use this medium to reiterate the specifics of our position.
To that end, we have simplified our initial communication on this matter.
1) This symposium and it's stated intent stand in opposition to the initial and ongoing goals and intended structure of the Arek'Jaalan project. The attempt to create a single command node for the project, while taking command power out of the hands of the current division heads, should not be allowed to proceed.
2) As the Arek'Jaalan project was begun by Pilot Tukoss, we fail to see how either Pilot TheMachine or Pilot Sealbreaker have gained the authority to perform the actions this Symposium is suggesting.
3) As no official statement has been made regarding a potential change in leadership or structure by either pilot Tukoss or his current employers, we would suggest that any attempt at a hostile takeover of the project bears a high possibility of being classed as illegal, if so, this could cause Eifyr and Co to cease funding for Site One.
In conclusion,
We do not believe that this symposium has the authority required to demand or implement changes to the structure of Arek'Jaalan.
Neither pilot TheMachine or Sealbreaker have the authority to speak on behalf of the project as a whole. Yet the language used above could cause confusion in this matter.
Given the numbers involved in the project, the 15 votes stated in the OP is a negligible percentage of the total possible vote, .
We Return
Unit XS365BT.
Designated Communications Officer.
Unit Commune.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
38
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Posted - 2014.11.08 23:14:31 -
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Knowing the people involved, the funding is readily available. Tukoss is currently a highly suspect fellow and anyone blindly following his lead needs a little primer in basic critical thought. Not to mention that any project involving capsuleers from every corner of New Eden, even in spite of rather obvious... unsavory affiliations, will be organized pretty much exactly how they themselves want it to be.
There's no "authority" involved in this project and there never was. If you can herd enough of these cats together, you might get something rolling but the amount of people who'll just fall in line to any "authority" can likely be counted on one hand.
Just let the vote show who falls into which camps, then let those camps do their own thing. You'll never manage to herd all the cats into one corral. |
Eran Mintor
Esoteric Philosophy
685
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Posted - 2014.11.09 09:33:28 -
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Who needs to herd cats when you have tuna?
-Eran |
Jace Sarice
18973
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Posted - 2014.11.09 17:12:41 -
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I have little interest in the project itself. But if there is a way I can benefit from it, I may be willing to assist with any required logistics. |
Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
745
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Posted - 2014.11.10 15:03:37 -
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Solecist Project wrote:This screams for a long con with hostile takeover. I suggest being well aware of who you let join your ranks.
No need to worry about such things.
*looks at something off camera*
There are measures put in place to prevent such things from happening. |
Shae Mataar
Khanid Prime Free Irregulars
15
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Posted - 2014.11.10 20:35:53 -
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Unit XS365BT wrote:While we have made our current stance regarding this symposium public via the Arek'Jaalan mailing list, it has been requested that we use this medium to reiterate the specifics of our position.
To that end, we have simplified our initial communication on this matter.
1) This symposium and it's stated intent stand in opposition to the initial and ongoing goals and intended structure of the Arek'Jaalan project. The attempt to create a single command node for the project, while taking command power out of the hands of the current division heads, should not be allowed to proceed.
2) As the Arek'Jaalan project was begun by Pilot Tukoss, we fail to see how either Pilot TheMachine or Pilot Sealbreaker have gained the authority to perform the actions this Symposium is suggesting.
3) As no official statement has been made regarding a potential change in leadership or structure by either pilot Tukoss or his current employers, we would suggest that any attempt at a hostile takeover of the project bears a high possibility of being classed as illegal, if so, this could cause Eifyr and Co to cease funding for Site One.
In conclusion,
We do not believe that this symposium has the authority required to demand or implement changes to the structure of Arek'Jaalan.
Neither pilot TheMachine or Sealbreaker have the authority to speak on behalf of the project as a whole. Yet the language used above could cause confusion in this matter.
Given the numbers involved in the project, the 15 votes stated in the OP is a negligible percentage of the total possible vote.
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waitaminit
the opposition to finding some sort of tukoss-free structure to hanging these divisions on is... what, exactly?
from what i've seen, gehen and joe started this symposium to see if there was in interest in restarting the project without the weakness of having one man at the head. that's what it was. a weakness. and a proven one: tukoss disappeared and a'j died.
now is as good a time as any to step up, turn a critical eye on the original structure of a'j, and fix it.
i bring that which you fear the most
freedom
no matter what the price
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Joe Themachine
Sleeper Tech. Research Foundation
50
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Posted - 2014.11.11 07:06:59 -
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Fellow AGÇÖJs. Thank you so much for your patience and for your awesome participation in part of the symposium. It is now time to vote on the proposals outlined herein. I hereby call part 1 of the First Arek'Jaalan Symposium: Restructuring & Leadership - YC116-YC117 concluded, and call to order part 2 of the forum. Please visit to vote.
Voting Call: Part 2 of First Arek'Jaalan Symposium (YC 116/117)
OOC comment: Admin, please lock this thread.
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Gehen Sealbreaker
Sealbreaker Labs
24
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Posted - 2014.11.11 09:27:00 -
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Shae Mataar wrote:Unit XS365BT wrote:While we have made our current stance regarding this symposium public via the Arek'Jaalan mailing list, it has been requested that we use this medium to reiterate the specifics of our position.
To that end, we have simplified our initial communication on this matter.
1) This symposium and it's stated intent stand in opposition to the initial and ongoing goals and intended structure of the Arek'Jaalan project. The attempt to create a single command node for the project, while taking command power out of the hands of the current division heads, should not be allowed to proceed.
2) As the Arek'Jaalan project was begun by Pilot Tukoss, we fail to see how either Pilot TheMachine or Pilot Sealbreaker have gained the authority to perform the actions this Symposium is suggesting.
3) As no official statement has been made regarding a potential change in leadership or structure by either pilot Tukoss or his current employers, we would suggest that any attempt at a hostile takeover of the project bears a high possibility of being classed as illegal, if so, this could cause Eifyr and Co to cease funding for Site One.
In conclusion,
We do not believe that this symposium has the authority required to demand or implement changes to the structure of Arek'Jaalan.
Neither pilot TheMachine or Sealbreaker have the authority to speak on behalf of the project as a whole. Yet the language used above could cause confusion in this matter.
Given the numbers involved in the project, the 15 votes stated in the OP is a negligible percentage of the total possible vote.
We Return waitaminit the opposition to finding some sort of tukoss-free structure to hanging these divisions on is... what, exactly? from what i've seen, gehen and joe started this symposium to see if there was in interest in restarting the project without the weakness of having one man at the head. that's what it was. a weakness. and a proven one: tukoss disappeared and a'j died. now is as good a time as any to step up, turn a critical eye on the original structure of a'j, and fix it.
It's good to see that some people get it.
Unit, I agree that the 15 votes Joe waited to start this was a low number, however there was no way of telling exactly how many people were still listenning. Some people discussing here arrived very late to the fray. (Some, like Julianus Soter, are still lost in self-contemplation.) In the end, people were warned, and with nearly all former Division Leaders participating, there is no point denying the very real need for restructuration this project needs. Remember that if you want to keep the thiings as-is, simply vote against all proposed changes.
I understand that my language can make it seem that I have any authority over the project to outsiders, but I doubt any member of the project would be confused, and I have been clear at all times: I am the head of Project Astrosurvey of the Multidisciplinary Division, and a founding member of Arek'Jalaan. Nothing more. I take personnal stances such as this one because I see the greater picture, but if you disagree with me, it's no problem. This symposium was created with exactly this in mind: for every member of Arek'Jalaan to voice their opinion.
Caviar Liberta wrote:No need to worry about such things.
*looks at something off camera*
There are measures put in place to prevent such things from happening.
Yes, I doubt Nation will make another attempt at convincing us they are on the same boat as us, after Citizen Arson's one. Still, it's good to know that Moira. is still active. You were an important part of Arek'Jalaan, and the project still having your interest means a lot for it's future.
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