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Kazekage Dono
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:22:00 -
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So gate camping with smart bombs up untill now seems very very risk averse. Because of no need to lock they will fit loads of warp stabs. And bumping them out of range is not a good idea.
Cause unless you got 50 people to set on all gates they'll just wait out timer and leave. I mean gateguns are joke in the end.
So yeah my question, is there a counter? |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
259
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:24:00 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:So gate camping with smart bombs up untill now seems very very risk averse. Because of no need to lock they will fit loads of warp stabs. And bumping them out of range is not a good idea.
Cause unless you got 50 people to set on all gates they'll just wait out timer and leave. I mean gateguns are joke in the end.
So yeah my question, is there a counter? Yes...
It's called Biomass... |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
4859
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:26:00 -
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Yes. Off-center boomarks. Also works for bubbles. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
Kazekage Dono
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:35:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Yes. Off-center boomarks. Also works for bubbles.
That would be running away from the problem and is not a counter. I'm talking about killing them. How could one take them out? |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10879
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:38:00 -
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You alone? You can't.
Why do you ask? I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Mag's
the united
17941
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:40:00 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:So yeah my question, is there a counter? F1
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Kazekage Dono
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:45:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You alone? You can't.
Why do you ask?
Well cause it's not very balanced that 1 pilot can well ... be unaffected by 1 other pilot or 2 probably allot more as well.
The smartbombs or gatecamping isn't the issue. It's that warp core stabs don't affect smartbombs in any way really. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms.
5742
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:51:00 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You alone? You can't.
Why do you ask? Well cause it's not very balanced that 1 pilot can well ... be unaffected by 1 other pilot or 2 probably allot more as well. The smartbombs or gatecamping isn't the issue. It's that warp core stabs don't affect smartbombs in any way really.
Two words
Heavy interdictor.
Seriously though, if you can't think of this yourself, you deserve to lose stuff. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
599
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:51:00 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:Abrazzar wrote:Yes. Off-center boomarks. Also works for bubbles. That would be running away from the problem and is not a counter. I'm talking about killing them. How could one take them out?
Try a Heavy Interdictor you will also need a few dps ships. If you are worried about the smartbombs fit the dps ships as snipers and warp in at range. Using the HIC as heavy tackle.
Edit; Grrrr Remiel |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10880
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:51:00 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You alone? You can't.
Why do you ask? Well cause it's not very balanced that 1 pilot can well ... be unaffected by 1 other pilot or 2 probably allot more as well. The smartbombs or gatecamping isn't the issue. It's that warp core stabs don't affect smartbombs in any way really. All you need is friends with enough points of warpstrength.
Warpcore stabs are already seriously gimping a ship making it useless for anything else but smartbombs ... and smartbombs themselves are seriously underpowered, because the only ships they're really viable on to use are battleships.
And that makes them horribly inefficient, unless you fit officer type smartbombs ... ... which are so costly that they're not worth it. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
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Kazekage Dono
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:57:00 -
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Ok i will do some tests with a HIC. Thanks all for the advice. |
KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
2150
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Posted - 2014.10.13 11:59:00 -
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you could always warp in at range and snipe em. v0v BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
260
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Posted - 2014.10.13 12:24:00 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:Ok i will do some tests with a HIC. Thanks all for the advice. You're Welcome... |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2839
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Posted - 2014.10.13 12:35:00 -
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Geddon + heavy neuts + sentries = counter Invalid signature format |
Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
486
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Posted - 2014.10.13 12:50:00 -
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Best counter? Don't log in. Nothing sucks for a gatecamper than having no targets. Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt! |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
140
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Posted - 2014.10.13 19:00:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:You alone? You can't.
Why do you ask?
i have no fn clue to why you are blue to me solecist.
anyways OP best to stay away from smart bombs fleets, and no they dont all fit warp stabs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg
This video is of amarr and gallente FW fleet taking out a titan and escort smartbomb fleet followed by the fleets reinforcements.
oddly enough the FW that got the kills are called noobs yet they are the ones that took down a titan and more before the enemy fleet got a reinforcement fleet "Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mine" -Dr. Smith |
Huron Marstolt
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:43:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You alone? You can't.
Why do you ask? i have no fn clue to why you are blue to me solecist. anyways OP best to stay away from smart bombs fleets, and no they dont all fit warp stabs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUgThis video is of amarr and gallente FW fleet taking out a titan and escort smartbomb fleet followed by the fleets reinforcements. oddly enough the FW that got the kills are called noobs yet they are the ones that took down a titan and more before the enemy fleet got a reinforcement fleet
Now that looked like fun! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10909
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Posted - 2014.10.13 21:47:00 -
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Agondray wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You alone? You can't.
Why do you ask? i have no fn clue to why you are blue to me solecist. anyways OP best to stay away from smart bombs fleets, and no they dont all fit warp stabs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUgThis video is of amarr and gallente FW fleet taking out a titan and escort smartbomb fleet followed by the fleets reinforcements. oddly enough the FW that got the kills are called noobs yet they are the ones that took down a titan and more before the enemy fleet got a reinforcement fleet I am? Is this the standings bug of the forum ... ... or do I have a fan in your alliance? *snickers xD* I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Wacktopia
Noir. Suddenly Spaceships.
708
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Posted - 2014.10.13 22:16:00 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote: So yeah my question, is there a counter?
- Don't warp directly gate-to-gate (if in low hp ship or pod) - Make tactical BMs above likely smartbomb gates - Avoid common locations like Rancer - Use a scout - Everyone on the Domi! Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together - -áFleet-Up.com |
Netan MalDoran
xXTheWarhammerXx
94
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Posted - 2014.10.14 00:07:00 -
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1) Follow everyone's advice on avoiding them. 2) If you REALLY want to try and take them out, then maybe try and snipe them at 200km with a few Nagas? "Your security status has been lowered." - Hell yeah it was! |
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Arronicus
Bitter Lemons Brothers of Tangra
1156
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Posted - 2014.10.14 01:48:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Kazekage Dono wrote:Solecist Project wrote:You alone? You can't.
Why do you ask? Well cause it's not very balanced that 1 pilot can well ... be unaffected by 1 other pilot or 2 probably allot more as well. The smartbombs or gatecamping isn't the issue. It's that warp core stabs don't affect smartbombs in any way really. Two words Heavy interdictor. Seriously though, if you can't think of this yourself, you deserve to lose stuff.
Beat me to it, a single heavy interdictor can prevent them from warping, and with a reasonable fit, kill them before their gate aggression fades, depending on their fit. With the addition of gate guns shooting them, you don't need to pack that much more damage to break through, given that they are fit to tank the guns, but are relying on their warp core stabs, and local intel (watching for blobs) to get away. Another option is to fit multiple scrams; 2 will catch many of the smartbombers, VERY few will have more than 5 WCS so you could go with 3 scrams just to be safe. Orbit them at around 9km, and you'll be out of range of anything but officer smartbombs.
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Decian Cor
Disconnected. Ineluctable.
182
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Posted - 2014.10.14 02:22:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
and smartbombs themselves are seriously underpowered, because the only ships they're really viable on to use are battleships.
And that makes them horribly inefficient, unless you fit officer type smartbombs ...
Can confirm, smartbombs on battleships are horribly inefficient.
EDIT: broken link. working on it. Unfiltered for the masses.
http://imgur.com/mzSl1Ie |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
934
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Posted - 2014.10.14 02:44:00 -
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Keep in mind, Eve is an MMO, so if you can, bring friends, will make engaging those smartbombing battleships alot more efficient & fun.
So get a HIC & some friends in frigs/cruisers & take him out, he'll be tanking gateguns as you mentioned, so don't need much extra firepower to take him down. Or instead of a HIC, you & your friends all fit scrams & he'll be tied up too. A summary of the ancient rcivilizations of New Eden Empires seek capsuleer assistance in Sleeper research! Updated research points on 13 October |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
197
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Posted - 2014.10.14 04:25:00 -
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Kazekage Dono wrote:So gate camping with smart bombs up untill now seems very very risk averse. Because of no need to lock they will fit loads of warp stabs. And bumping them out of range is not a good idea.
Cause unless you got 50 people to set on all gates they'll just wait out timer and leave. I mean gateguns are joke in the end.
So yeah my question, is there a counter?
A little research and thought would point you to a heavy interdictor with the warp disruption field generator with a script. Infinite point and if you already know the damage type of sb you can tank it. Throw a neut on it and well blap it....
There is your counter.
Seems a few people already said the same thing... so much for not reading past page 1 |
Brylan Grey
Scope Works
60
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Posted - 2014.10.14 06:48:00 -
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Hate smart bombing is a bottom dwellers dream. People that do it don't care about anything but what the number shows then on kill boards.
Skill? No thanks. Tactics? What? Battle fortitude? Never heard of it.
Overall, I abhor them, but they are a part of the game and a risk I take in low.
Would I like mechanics changed so they can't? I don't know. I am hesitant to suggest everything I dislike or worry about being removed from the game. I want some fear, some excitement.
I hate it. Won't do it. Think low of those that do. But should it be removed? Probably not. I like the idea that I enploy tactics that are seen as morally superior. It is something I feel defines me. If we changed the rules to be to my moral standards, I would suddenly become the most immoral player in game by sheer mechanics! |
ChromeStriker
0ne Percent. Odin's Call
765
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Posted - 2014.10.14 07:22:00 -
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Brylan Grey wrote:Hate smart bombing is a bottom dwellers dream. People that do it don't care about anything but what the number shows then on kill boards.
Skill? No thanks. Tactics? What? Battle fortitude? Never heard of it.
Overall, I abhor them, but they are a part of the game and a risk I take in low.
Would I like mechanics changed so they can't? I don't know. I am hesitant to suggest everything I dislike or worry about being removed from the game. I want some fear, some excitement.
I hate it. Won't do it. Think low of those that do. But should it be removed? Probably not. I like the idea that I enploy tactics that are seen as morally superior. It is something I feel defines me. If we changed the rules to be to my moral standards, I would suddenly become the most immoral player in game by sheer mechanics!
You sir are a little narrow minded lol. Have you ever heard of "Rooks and Kings"?
No Worries |
Mag's
the united
17973
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Posted - 2014.10.14 10:02:00 -
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Brylan Grey wrote:Hate smart bombing is a bottom dwellers dream. People that do it don't care about anything but what the number shows then on kill boards.
Skill? No thanks. Tactics? What? Battle fortitude? Never heard of it.
Overall, I abhor them, but they are a part of the game and a risk I take in low.
Would I like mechanics changed so they can't? I don't know. I am hesitant to suggest everything I dislike or worry about being removed from the game. I want some fear, some excitement.
I hate it. Won't do it. Think low of those that do. But should it be removed? Probably not. I like the idea that I enploy tactics that are seen as morally superior. It is something I feel defines me. If we changed the rules to be to my moral standards, I would suddenly become the most immoral player in game by sheer mechanics! So you've never done it, yet can claim to know it's skill level and requirements?
Also, what do morals have to do with anything?
But please do tell us more of other things you know nothing about and their moral impact. It sounds fascinating.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10924
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Posted - 2014.10.14 10:05:00 -
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Mag's wrote:So you've never done it, yet can claim to know it's skill level and requirements?
Also, what do morals have to do with anything?
But please do tell us more of other things you know nothing about and their moral impact. It sounds fascinating. His portrait is perfectly fitting for his stupid attitude. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10926
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Posted - 2014.10.14 10:08:00 -
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Decian Cor wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
and smartbombs themselves are seriously underpowered, because the only ships they're really viable on to use are battleships.
And that makes them horribly inefficient, unless you fit officer type smartbombs ...
Can confirm, smartbombs on battleships are horribly inefficient. EDIT: broken link. fixed. Yes, they are. And links to killboards aren't allowed in GD.
I am sure you've invested many, many hours in research into smartbombs and how to put them to proper use ... like I did.
t1, named and t2 Smartbombs are horribly inefficient, because the only ship they really have a use for is on battleships ... ... and on these they are ridiculously underpowered for the price of the hull one has to use. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Alastair Ormand
Running With Scissors. Apocalypse Now.
85
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Posted - 2014.10.14 10:22:00 -
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Pull range out of smart bombs. Fit long range scram and go to town. Don't run with a stick in your mouth.
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