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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.13 14:17:00 -
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Before you ask, no, this post is not about AFK cloaking, nerfing cloaking, or a rant about how something cloaky got the drop on me.
This is a post about how to better get the drop on someone when you're flying a cloaky.
As you all know, some time ago CCP introduced the CrimeWatch system, a safety mechanism that actually blocks you from violating certain safety measures. If activating a module or perfrorming an action would have violated your selected safety settings, the client prevents that activity and highlights the appropriate area of the screen with a yellow or red background to let you know that your safety settings won't allow you to perform that action.
Currently, if you are cloaked and attempt to perform any action that is prohibited by cloaking, the action fails and you get a message telling you that you are unable to perform that action. The client forces you to manually decloak before performing the action. What I'd like to propose is taking the logic behind CrimeWatch and apply it to cloaking. Your "Cloak Safety" settings can either be "on" or "off". Cloak Safety "on" would have the client behave exactly as it does now, but with the addition of a CrimeWatch-esque color (purple or blue maybe?) to the prohibited actions when mousing over them indicating that they are disabled because you are cloaked. But with your Cloak Safety "off", instead of prohibiting those actions and requiring you to decloak manually, performing one of those actions would automatically decloak you.
This would provide an interesting twist to cloaked gameplay: it would become easier for cloaked ships to rapidly engage targets if they disable their safety, but it would also leave cloaked ships with their safety off more vulnerable to being casually decloaked by unintentionally performing a prohibited action.
Given the interesting game play possibilities, and the fact that it fits in line with existing CrimeWatch mechanics, I think CCP should implement CloakWatch.
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scorchlikeshiswhiskey
interstellar initiative Incorporated
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Posted - 2014.10.13 16:13:00 -
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Interesting.... I like it. I think I remember that this used to be the way that cloaks behaved, but I could be mistaken. Sometimes I like that I can't accidentally decloak myself while creeping up on a target, and other times I have mini-raged abkut having to decloak manually before I can bomb or probe. +1 from me |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.13 16:22:00 -
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yes, +1 =]I[= |
Lugh Crow-Slave
Guardians of the Morrigan
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:03:00 -
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To be honest I don't like things that remove the chance of player error.... mistakes make things interesting but it's not about what I want and I don't see this hurting much |
Wolf Incaelum
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:15:00 -
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I like the idea of player error being a factor in using a cloak. It might even get the people screaming for a cloak nerf to shut their mouths for a while (hopefully). +1 The deer can get it right. What's YOUR problem? |
Dr Jihad Alhariri
Dr Jihad's Brigade of Interstellar Mujahideen Corrosive.
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Posted - 2014.10.13 17:48:00 -
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I say just make it a setting that you access by right-clicking the cloaking module on your HUD. +1 for the overall idea, though. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:20:00 -
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Dr Jihad Alhariri wrote:I say just make it a setting that you access by right-clicking the cloaking module on your HUD. +1 for the overall idea, though. I like that idea for the interface. The current CrimeWatch button is something applicable to players all the time, whereas CloakWatch isn't. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2014.10.13 20:22:00 -
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nice EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY?No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided""So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time" |
elitatwo
Congregatio
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Posted - 2014.10.13 22:51:00 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:To be honest I don't like things that remove the chance of player error.... mistakes make things interesting but it's not about what I want and I don't see this hurting much
You mean like it used to be?
Back in the glory days when bomber gangs decloaked themselves when they warped on top of each other
Yeah, that was funny.
But they cried, they screamed and now they can no longer decloak themselves anymore
Oh and I miss that Aura used to yell at you because you ar cloaked.. signature |
May Arethusa
PillowBrigade Inc Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.10.14 03:13:00 -
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Interesting idea, but how well would this mesh with sensor recalibration? |
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
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Posted - 2014.10.14 07:26:00 -
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Quote:Before you ask, no, this post is not about AFK cloaking, nerfing cloaking, or a rant about how something cloaky got the drop on me. thank goodness. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:17:00 -
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+1
Would fix the times I get annoyed when flying a cloaky ship. Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Labs Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.14 09:51:00 -
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I like it. I can see many accidents occurring, due to pilots activating modules at inappropriate times.
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.14 12:04:00 -
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May Arethusa wrote:Interesting idea, but how well would this mesh with sensor recalibration? Sensor recalibration is based on the act of decloaking. This idea wouldn't change the mechanics of actually decloaking, only the mechanics that prevent you from acting while cloaked, so sensor recalibration would work in exactly the same manner. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:46:00 -
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And we need this because it is so incredibly difficult to assign a hot key to your cloak and then train yourself to always press that key first when you want to do something.
You say this wold add to the chance for player error by activating a module, I say it will change nothing because smart stealth pilots will leave the safety active and simply train themselves to use a proper procedure that is just as simple and has none of the negatives associated with it.
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Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:55:00 -
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Donnachadh wrote:And we need this because it is so incredibly difficult to assign a hot key to your cloak and then train yourself to always press that key first when you want to do something. You say this wold add to the chance for player error by activating a module, I say it will change nothing because smart stealth pilots will leave the safety active and simply train themselves to use a proper procedure that is just as simple and has none of the negatives associated with it. Human error is a beautiful thing.
It gives competitions another path to resolution, which is far less demeaning than simply being outwitted.
Think of it like this: The current system is like having the gutter rails up on a bowling lane. The ball can't go into the gutter, the same way the error prone pilot cannot activate modules with the cloak on.
Neither one is likely to score a decent hit, but maybe can use the experience to improve with. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked... |
May Arethusa
PillowBrigade Inc Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.10.14 20:08:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:May Arethusa wrote:Interesting idea, but how well would this mesh with sensor recalibration? Sensor recalibration is based on the act of decloaking. This idea wouldn't change the mechanics of actually decloaking, only the mechanics that prevent you from acting while cloaked, so sensor recalibration would work in exactly the same manner.
Currently you cannot begin to lock a target unless it will complete after your calibration timer is up. Under your proposal, would attempting to activate a module on a hostile ship count as an activation when the game doesn't allow you to actually activate it, or even begin locking?
If it does, would the game remember your action, and begin to lock the target and engage the module when your timer is up, or as soon as it is able to begin locking? How would subsequent actions after the initial engagement action influence this? Does it forget your attempt to lock if you activate other modules, or keep it queued up for you?
If it doesn't, would this even count as a module activation? Technically you've taken no action, despite attempting to activate a module, because the game won't allow you to begin locking, which means the module doesn't activate.
As far as ships exempt from sensor recalibration go, it's a great idea. Things get a little more complicated beyond that though. |
Cedims
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.10.15 02:24:00 -
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I agree with more risk of player error.
How about reorganizing menu's and group items like "Reconnect To Lost Drones", "Log Off Safely", "Eject" and "Self Destruct..." together, or say "Change Name..." with "Reprocess" and "Strip Fitting", or "Repackage" with "Trash It...". They sort of fall into the same class.
Actually this got me thinking of a random risk element that when you bump another ship, there could be a chance of triggering the self-destruct mechanism, but if you make it to a gate in say three seconds, the gate blows up instead and in the process rendering your ship *and* Concord "frozen" for 35 minutes, sort of like when operating the cyno. gen. in a Force Recon.
Come on, it's supposed to be a fun game, not a lame game. +1 for more irrational in and out of game behavior. Let's prep those traps for the near unsupported PvP game play. The self-destruct is probably one of the least used mechanics in the game. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.10.15 03:54:00 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Before you ask, no, this post is not about AFK cloaking, nerfing cloaking, or a rant about how something cloaky got the drop on me.
+1 just for this.
I'd give another +1 if I could for the idea. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence So Local Chat vanished, now what? |
Infrequent
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.10.15 08:10:00 -
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+1 |
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.15 10:53:00 -
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May Arethusa wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:May Arethusa wrote:Interesting idea, but how well would this mesh with sensor recalibration? Sensor recalibration is based on the act of decloaking. This idea wouldn't change the mechanics of actually decloaking, only the mechanics that prevent you from acting while cloaked, so sensor recalibration would work in exactly the same manner. Currently you cannot begin to lock a target unless it will complete after your calibration timer is up. Under your proposal, would attempting to activate a module on a hostile ship count as an activation when the game doesn't allow you to actually activate it, or even begin locking? If it does, would the game remember your action, and begin to lock the target and engage the module when your timer is up, or as soon as it is able to begin locking? How would subsequent actions after the initial engagement action influence this? Does it forget your attempt to lock if you activate other modules, or keep it queued up for you? If it doesn't, would this even count as a module activation? Technically you've taken no action, despite attempting to activate a module, because the game won't allow you to begin locking, which means the module doesn't activate. As far as ships exempt from sensor recalibration go, it's a great idea. Things get a little more complicated beyond that though. An interesting point that I hadn't considered (likely because the cloaky ships I primary fly are bombers).
How about this: change the code so that if your CloakWatch safety is off, attempting to lock a target, even if your sensors are still recalibrating and you can't start locking it, will decloak you. So, it's go like this:
1. Set CloakWatch safety off. 2. Cloak your non-calibration bonused ship near something lock-able. 3. Select the object and attempt to lock it. 4. CloakWatch mechanics decloak you. 5. Spam lock until your recalibration time is over.
Would that work? CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2014.10.16 16:01:00 -
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Bump for the announcement that cloaked ships will once again decloak each other. If cloaking mechanics are already being looked at (regardless of whether you like them or not), this would be a perfect time for CCP to at least consider CloakWatch. CCP Falcon's thoughts on suicide ganking. Reading Comprehension: a skill so important it deserves it's own skillbook. I want to create content, not become content. |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.10.17 00:56:00 -
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It sounds excessive to have additional hud controls just so one module can be a tiny bit more dynamic. My theory on diplodocuses, is my theory and nobody elses, they are thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle then thin again at the other end |
Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2014.10.17 02:24:00 -
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This would be a great addition. Good idea. |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2014.10.17 05:46:00 -
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It could just be a context menu I guess but where ?
Do any other modules have a setting ?
Some have scripts giving two different settings. My theory on diplodocuses, is my theory and nobody elses, they are thin at one end, much much thicker in the middle then thin again at the other end |
Lord TGR
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.17 08:58:00 -
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I see absolutely no problems with this suggestion. It won't let you do anything you couldn't do before, except maybe let you perform an action one server tick before you could do with today's situation. |
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