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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2348
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Posted - 2014.10.16 21:48:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Ilaister wrote: Phoebe will make rental empires defunct though no?
It very well may. Wishfull thinking that ignores the past. Ehhh, idk. Pandemic Legion already ceded a region or three of their rental empire in preperation for Phoebe, so.... |
Vyl Vit
861
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Posted - 2014.10.16 22:00:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote: Dear ISD, please know that if you move my thread to COAD, I will not be able to post anymore ... so that wouldn't really help. Move the post! Move the post!
Solecist Project wrote: *kinks* (:
WTH is "kinks"? I know that has to make sense to YOU. But, the rest of us earthlings are a bit...puzzled. Kinks?
Oh yes, the OP. After we get the report on shooting carebears in nullsec, please tell us what the lunchroom is serving today.
On second thought...I really don't want to know what *kinks* is. Thanks just the same. Anyone with any sense has already left town. |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2848
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Posted - 2014.10.16 22:01:00 -
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I told you so... Sov labels change, pockets stay the same. Invalid signature format |
Kelaian Stareine
Love Squad Pasta Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.10.16 22:09:00 -
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In my experience cloak camping renters, there is a standard process.
Step 1 involves you moving in
After a few hours of you hanging around they try to move systems (usually to places they aren't authorized to be under their rental contract). When I inevitably move in my alt/friends and camp every system in the constellation they will stay docked all day.
Then they convo you after about a day of camping and tell you this : "You will never drop on a member of my corp, feel free to stay as long as you want".
Within the next week they will lose a ratting ship or miner in an anom almost guaranteed.
Next they will try to run DED sites (again in systems they don't rent) which causes huge drama in the constellation. They will then complain to the landlords via evemails, take a look at PBLRD on eveskunk for some laughs. They will get dropped on gates as they move their DED ships around thinking the camper is too lazy to watch and coordinate to get them.
Usually after this stage they will leave. Most of those who will leave will leave sooner rather than later. Sometimes the landlords will move them to deep nul where they wont be camped as easily but that can be fixed within a few days of finding them.
The last renter standing can sometimes benefit from the camping. If everyone gets cleared out of the constellation or area they have the whole place basically to themselves for DEDs... but because most want to do AFKtar and carrier stuff they will just dogpile into a system, bring the mil index up and get camped again.
After phoebe it will be harder to harass renters by camping. Midpoint blops are dead, its just not worth doing anymore.
As for your question about new bears replacing the old, there are idiots who rent systems who have a camper logged in before they even sign the contract. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.10.16 22:47:00 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay.
The Rules: 5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
And just one other thing: This thread has been moved to Corporation, Alliance & Organization Discussions. ISD Ezwal Vice Admiral Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10997
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Posted - 2014.10.16 23:17:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:And just one other thing: This thread has been moved to Corporation, Alliance & Organization Discussions. Oh al right, al right...keep calm....sheeezz...
I forgot one tiny little thing: By moving the thread to CAOD I made it impossible for the OP to post without breaking the forum rules. Therefore, thread moved back to GD.
Wow ... you removed my "forum moderation discussion" in the initial post without actually reading it? ^_^
Thank you for moving it back again and unlocking too! *hugs* (: I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.10.16 23:23:00 -
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Reading is a core CCL skill. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
171
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Posted - 2014.10.16 23:44:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Wishfull thinking that ignores the past. The past: Quote:Expected consequences
Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec Coalitions will be marginally less stable Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)
That was 3 and a half years ago. How many times do we (as a game community) have to experience history repeat itself till we realize that a certain way of thinking does not work?
This is really funny, because it's the same [adjective] guy making similar changes for the same reasons.
In reality, Nullsec coalitions change their space a little bit (Like PL putting their space under some alternative management...but it's still their renter space), and logistics and movement gets harder for everyone. Now, the coalitions will be even LESS inclined to fight each other, because they would need to move their assets so far from their home that it leaves them open to attack. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2348
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Posted - 2014.10.17 00:07:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Wishfull thinking that ignores the past. The past: Quote:Expected consequences
Some alliances will immediately start wanting to look for better space In the longer run, there'll be more conflicts going on, with more localized goals Newer alliances will have an easier time getting a foothold in nullsec Coalitions will be marginally less stable Alliances will have to choose more carefully what space they develop, where their staging systems are, and so on (low truesec systems generally tend to be in strategically inconvenient places)
That was 3 and a half years ago. How many times do we (as a game community) have to experience history repeat itself till we realize that a certain way of thinking does not work? This is really funny, because it's the same [adjective] guy making similar changes for the same reasons. In reality, Nullsec coalitions change their space a little bit (Like PL putting their space under some alternative management...but it's still their renter space), and logistics and movement gets harder for everyone. Now, the coalitions will be even LESS inclined to fight each other, because they would need to move their assets so far from their home that it leaves them open to attack. Could you enlighten me as to the organizational relationship between xxDeath and PL? Am legit curious. |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
973
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Posted - 2014.10.17 00:18:00 -
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Seems most people are either PVP or PVE. Attitudes most toxic come from those definitely one or the other. PVP purists scorn the renters with their aims, never imagining that stacks of ratting/exploration isk goes into interesting production and manufacture. Pure ratters call the ratter killers names and imply they are bullies or evil or whatevs. I have a toon that shoots red crosses as much as i can stand that, maxed for mining as well because of the interest value. It sometimes pleases me to make boosters, or t2 something. Access to moon and wormhole stuff accelerates the hell out of that. Then it's on to the cloaky dude who runs lonely intense ops that can last weeks. Wormholes have become great for moving vast distances and appearing like a magic plague from nowhere. Prized are the ones that open into some very quiet pipe that only has hauler and ratter traffic. These threads sound like banter between opposing crowds. There has to be way more pvp pilots who have an interest in the non-combat side of the game and therefore a more complex approach than just hurr they are stoopat. Damn right i'm watching how Phoebe will change things, the big space politics is a bore and subject to what ccp imposes.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
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Jess Tanner
Hard Knocks Inc.
144
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Posted - 2014.10.17 00:21:00 -
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Basically what null ratting carriers taste like. Go with Bob, keep Him always in your heart. He is your Sword, Shield, and the Knife in your back.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10997
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Posted - 2014.10.17 08:32:00 -
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Aaaand a whole page of off-topic opinion bullshit ... I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
326
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Posted - 2014.10.17 08:39:00 -
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Truth is I like shooting fish in the barrel so ... I'm evil, sue me. |
Chopper Rollins
Lantean Empire
973
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Posted - 2014.10.17 10:02:00 -
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OK TLDR Some of the people shooting renters are renters themselves and no matter how much renters lose it means nothing to the map.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |
Jessica Duranin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
263
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Posted - 2014.10.17 10:28:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:the former renters will be actively engaging in fighting over territory. WAT? Most renters don't even fight to save their buddies ratting carrier. (yes, some do, but that's rare) It's not just renters though. Most goon ratting carriers I shot died alone too. Sometimes they ping for a fleet to save the carrier, but since they won't engage unless they outnumber you 5:1 it usually takes them too long. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
4664
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Posted - 2014.10.17 10:37:00 -
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Things will be more complicated thats for sure. If the alliance will be bigger, than the level of complication will be bigger.
If more things gets complicated, someones foot will slip, that will be the first step to solving the blue doughnut issue. Ideas to boost fun factor in Planetary Interaction. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10997
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Posted - 2014.10.17 10:40:00 -
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I will join Pasta if the CEO of Love Squad approves ... ... or will try to get my corp into it.
I already have two ... fans ... ^_^
They seem qualified, from what I have gathered ..... ... with bigger impact than is actually known. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
174
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:39:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: Could you enlighten me as to the organizational relationship between xxDeath and PL? Am legit curious.
https://eveskunk.com/e/343706457
Edit: So the blue doughnut is only getting bigger because of the logistical changes and maintaining rental territory. :CCP:'ed yet again. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8595
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:45:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Ilaister wrote: Phoebe will make rental empires defunct though no?
It very well may. Wishfull thinking that ignores the past. Ehhh, idk. Pandemic Legion already ceded a region or three of their rental empire in preperation for Phoebe, so....
Did you actually understand what you're reading there? PL is entrenching it's renting program, not getting rid of it.
As those of us who aren't wishful thinkers who have ignored 11 years of EVE history predicted lol.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8595
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:47:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: Could you enlighten me as to the organizational relationship between xxDeath and PL? Am legit curious.
https://eveskunk.com/e/343706457Edit: So the blue doughnut is only getting bigger because of the logistical changes and maintaining rental territory. :CCP:'ed yet again.
Worse, it is (as predicted) starting the shift from a blue donut to a blue brick. Because in game as it is in real life, some people are constitutionally unable to learn from the past.
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2357
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:53:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: Could you enlighten me as to the organizational relationship between xxDeath and PL? Am legit curious.
https://eveskunk.com/e/343706457Edit: So the blue doughnut is only getting bigger because of the logistical changes and maintaining rental territory. :CCP:'ed yet again. Looks to me like they're ceding renter space to another group in exchange for security/stability. Sure it isn't ideal, but where before you had 1 rental empire, now you have 2. And this is before the implementation of any changes in phoebe. |
Miles Parabellum
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra
50
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Posted - 2014.10.17 15:26:00 -
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Personally, I don't see the problem. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8595
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Posted - 2014.10.17 15:28:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote: Could you enlighten me as to the organizational relationship between xxDeath and PL? Am legit curious.
https://eveskunk.com/e/343706457Edit: So the blue doughnut is only getting bigger because of the logistical changes and maintaining rental territory. :CCP:'ed yet again. Looks to me like they're ceding renter space to another group in exchange for security/stability. Sure it isn't ideal, but where before you had 1 rental empire, now you have 2. And this is before the implementation of any changes in phoebe.
The isk ends up in the same pockets. CCP isn't making a change to spawn more rental empire, their goal is more conflict. With the exception of evicting smaller groups from regions closer to null sec, this goal has and will fail.
What PL and XXDeath are doing are an example of something I've been saying for a long time about CCPs changes and human nature: Even in a video game, people don't fight over low value things they can just buy or negotiate for.. PL is making a deal to keep some income form space they don't need and can't use rather than "let smaller groups fight over it" like CCP somehow thought would happen.
Even when CCP announces it's other changes to null sec later, it won't change anything, because the underlying cause of the observed behavior here is human nature as it involves low value items (most of null is of low value thanks to the anom nerf and other factors), not purely game mechanics. And yes , some of us have been telling CCP this for years but it all falls on deaf ears.
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2014.10.17 15:28:00 -
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So instead of being neutral to XxDeath, they are now business partners in the existing b0t rental program, as all of those emails show, it's a simple transfer and standings/rights are all remaining the same.
Yep, this change is completely going to change up nullsec.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8595
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Posted - 2014.10.17 15:38:00 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:So instead of being neutral to XxDeath, they are now business partners in the existing b0t rental program, as all of those emails show, it's a simple transfer and standings/rights are all remaining the same. Yep, this change is completely going to change up nullsec.
History repeating itself. 2009 for cripes sake wrote: So anyway, here we are today. Nullsec is largely the domain of large, 2-3000 member PvP alliances, grouped up into inevitable coalitions and engaged in not-quite-impossibly large wars. Costs are mosty covered at the alliance level by a combination of old money and high-value moon minerals. The latter continue to rise in price due to ever-increasing demand from invention, and the after-effects of last year's exploit-related burp invalidating the calculations used to construct the Alchemy pressure-release valve. Most of the space that's up for grabs is owned by a clone army of ideologically-distinct but functionally-similar alliances, making the entire political landscape depressingly homogeneous. The state of the military art is not much better - sub-capital fleets are wheeled out for cyno-jammer take-downs and then packed away before they can fall victim to multiple doomsdays, leaving huge capital fleets to park themselves in front of a never-ending procession of starbases. And the smaller groups, the newer organizations hoping to gain a foothold in the Great Game, are left begging for crumbs around the edges. Who's going to let security-risk nobodies into their back yard when they'll never be able to compete pay as much as a single dysprosium moon?
We're not convinced that this is the best, most interesting, most dynamic and most emergence-friendly state of being for nullsec, so we're going to make some changes.
Those changes were Dominion, which led to the 'blue donut'. The exact OPPOSITE of what they wanted to happen.
Just like now...Just like once neutral PL and XXDeath being not neutral... How many people who were soooo tired of shooting POSes would love to have pre-Dominion SOV back. I wonder if any of them can remember how happy they were that they didn't have to grind POSes any more??? lol |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
176
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Posted - 2014.10.17 16:25:00 -
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To be fair, those days were plagued by AOE doomsdays, which were a really dumb thing.
But yes, history continues to repeat itself with the same guy behind the wheel. Hmmm what a coincidence. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2368
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:15:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Just like now...Just like once neutral PL and XXDeath being not neutral... How many people who were soooo tired of shooting POSes would love to have pre-Dominion SOV back. I wonder if any of them can remember how happy they were that they didn't have to grind POSes any more??? lol
Hmmm...maybe I missed it, but what changes are you in favor of implementing? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
8595
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:52:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote: Just like now...Just like once neutral PL and XXDeath being not neutral... How many people who were soooo tired of shooting POSes would love to have pre-Dominion SOV back. I wonder if any of them can remember how happy they were that they didn't have to grind POSes any more??? lol
Hmmm...maybe I missed it, but what changes are you in favor of implementing?
Changes that don't backfire and make a bad situation worse. To do that you have to look at the underlying realities of WHY a situation exists and also keep in mind that we are talking about a game (meaning you must take human nature into account).
Wishful thinking and good intentions don't work. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11020
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Posted - 2014.10.17 19:03:00 -
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Wow you people are still at it....
I was actually afraid of looking, because the Notifications came in so fast ... ... that I assumed you were just throwing **** at eachother.
I am seriously pleasantly surprised that there seems to be ... ... well ... a good posting atmosphere.
Thank you for that. (: I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked. - You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |
Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
2852
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Posted - 2014.10.17 20:08:00 -
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Heh, apparently Jenn has more street cred than I do :)
I wrote "only labels change, pockets stay the same" -> *crickets* She wrote same thing (admittedly in more words) -> discussion and follow up questions
That's... interesting. Invalid signature format |
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