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Shiva Darksun
EVE-RO Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.10.30 21:51:42 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:stuff
No need for personal attacks, but hey, if that's your thing, then fine. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.10.30 22:36:30 -
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Shiva Darksun wrote:No need for personal attacks, but hey, if that's your thing, then fine. Sorry was not my intention. I'm just alergic to "give me moar loot". You said:
Quote:As such, most people aren't, and they represent a majority. I'm also seeing things from their perspective and try to help make the game tailored for them too, not just the few "31337" d00ds. Have you consider pvper perspective and cargo scanner ability? Because there's little to non. Players supposed to be rats on sites, how camper can catch anything with 70 km range module? Its not all about loot and how poor explorers are with it. This is much more complex. I love to have opportunity to do things differently in this game but with cargo scanning i'm saying: no, not a good thing, makes things way too easy.
Ransu Asanari wrote:If we remove the ability to cargo scan, and rebalance the loot slightly across the site (I like the 60/40 ratio mentioned above), then it's still possible for you to leave cans, but you have to give up on potential unknown loot to do it. Contradiction. if i loot 12 mil from ruins in relic site i will exactly know what left in remaing cans (because 60/40 rule, or whatever it would be).
Guys you don't see the point with loot here. It's a drops, just like in missions. You may be lucky with loot and salvage or not. I'm looting from 10 to 25 mil from AE. Same applay here. Example from tonight: i did 3 sites, -first started lame (fist can: carbon) but then on second can loot fairy was generous (27 mil!!!) + some loot from lowers; -second 3 cans with splendid loot plus some lower ISK but still worth lower level cans, so almost 50 mil; -third completly failure not even 10 mil.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
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Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union Yulai Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.11.03 18:26:34 -
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TL:DR
Just wondering if there is an increase in expeditions from running Null anomalies?
I normally farm these to make my isk. Just wondering if they also spawn expeditions faster/more often than they use to!
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Hamish McRothimay
Norse Complex Inc
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Posted - 2014.11.03 22:39:17 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Make can unscanable. The worst thing about cherry picked sites is they don't despawn and show up else where and thats just annoying.
And yes its possible to run the hardest site with lv1 skill in a t1 ship with t1 mod, it is just luck that won't last long. Run 100 cans and see how many you do successfully at that level of skill.
The module is what matters t1 ship t2 mod is better in my opinion than t2 ship and t1 mod. Plus implants make more than the difference for than t1-t2 ship does.
Do we know how long these sites will hang around in WH space before they despawn ?
Do the WH exploration sites count towards the pool of sites scattered around Null - i.e. will there be fewer in Null because they now appear in WH Space |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
97
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Posted - 2014.11.04 15:40:45 -
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Hamish McRothimay wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Make can unscanable. The worst thing about cherry picked sites is they don't despawn and show up else where and thats just annoying.
And yes its possible to run the hardest site with lv1 skill in a t1 ship with t1 mod, it is just luck that won't last long. Run 100 cans and see how many you do successfully at that level of skill.
The module is what matters t1 ship t2 mod is better in my opinion than t2 ship and t1 mod. Plus implants make more than the difference for than t1-t2 ship does. Do we know how long these sites will hang around in WH space before they despawn ? Do the WH exploration sites count towards the pool of sites scattered around Null - i.e. will there be fewer in Null because they now appear in WH Space
was under the impression that it was more region based so it wouldn't change the distribution but I could be wrong on that as I dont know where my info of it being region based comes from. |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
419
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:18:59 -
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Will it be possible to get 10/10s in high sec now then? According to the patch notes you won't get sent too a lower security system for an escalation, so I'm guessing they will occur in high sec now which seems a bit strange, as I don't think more low risk income streams for high sec will be a good idea.
Apologies for my ignorance, I only do null sec DED sites, so not sure how the high sec ones work atm. |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
419
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:27:22 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Damjan Fox wrote:Quote:Consider making the Data/Relic Site cans unscannable with Cargo Scanners +1 for this. Very easy way to prevent cherry picking. This mechanic needs to be added asap. DMC No it doesn't. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:31:16 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:No it doesn't. Care to elaborate? Hard to discuss with yes/no arguments.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
_I am the night. I'm Bantam. _
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
97
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:35:33 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:No it doesn't. Care to elaborate? Hard to discuss with yes/no arguments.
it would effect there cherry picking so they oppose it |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
419
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Posted - 2014.11.04 17:43:10 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:No it doesn't. Care to elaborate? Hard to discuss with yes/no arguments. it would effect there cherry picking so they oppose it There is only one of me, so not "they". But yes, I prefer to cherry pick the good cans, having to hack each one would be time consuming and boring. There is more of a buzz also when you know a can is worth 100mil whilst actually hacking it. So all in all it is better gameplay. |
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
97
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:00:44 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:No it doesn't. Care to elaborate? Hard to discuss with yes/no arguments. it would effect there cherry picking so they oppose it There is only one of me, so not "they". But yes, I prefer to cherry pick the good cans, having to hack each one would be time consuming and boring. There is more of a buzz also when you know a can is worth 100mil whilst actually hacking it. So all in all it is better gameplay.
you are not the first to defend cherry picking so my they stands as I lump all cherry picker defenders into the same group
there is even more buzz when you get that can and wham its 100 mil inside. Also better game play can go both ways and having people in the site longer in range of cans has more chance of other players intervening is better game play.
edit: and it really doesn't take long to hack a can or fail twice in the hack. |
Komi Toran
Paragon Trust The Bastion
352
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:17:24 -
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Lady Rift wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:No it doesn't. Care to elaborate? Hard to discuss with yes/no arguments. it would effect there cherry picking so they oppose it *affect.
Besides that, it really wouldn't. Most, not all, but most of the cherry pickers I've been affected by don't have a cargo scanner equipped and instead grab the most difficult cans (ruins) and leave. I know because I routinely find 6-12 mil cans among the left overs. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
104
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:24:37 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote: There is only one of me, so not "they". But yes, I prefer to cherry pick the good cans, having to hack each one would be time consuming and boring. There is more of a buzz also when you know a can is worth 100mil whilst actually hacking it.
Cherrypicking cans without destroying lesser ones actually reduce the possible income for you because that site won't despawn instantly. It may respawn at the other corner of region or next system. Who knows? Besides 7 cans hack takes about 8 minutes...
Medalyn Isis wrote:So all in all it is better gameplay. Only from cherrypicker perspective. If you want that gamestyle why there are so many cans on grid? Lets make one can to hack with all loot from site inside. Why bother? Because this is what cherrypicking is for me. We really needs devs opinion on that subject.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
_I am the night. I'm Bantam. _
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Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
419
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:54:05 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote: There is only one of me, so not "they". But yes, I prefer to cherry pick the good cans, having to hack each one would be time consuming and boring. There is more of a buzz also when you know a can is worth 100mil whilst actually hacking it.
Cherrypicking cans without destroying lesser ones actually reduce the possible income for you because that site won't despawn instantly. It may respawn at the other corner of region or next system. Who knows? Besides 7 cans hack takes about 8 minutes... Medalyn Isis wrote:So all in all it is better gameplay. Only from cherrypicker perspective. If you want that gamestyle why there are so many cans on grid? Lets make one can to hack with all loot from site inside. Why bother? Because this is what cherrypicking is for me. We really needs devs opinion on that subject. No we don't. And the Dev opinion would support "cargo scanning" most likely anyway as they were the ones who implemented it in the first place.
When you fit up your ship you have a choice to sacrifice a mid slot and fit a cargo scanner or not. If all the loot was in one can I couldn't care less. In the end it boils down to isk/hour or effort/hour. if I spend an hour or two doing relics, and then go do something else for the rest of the day, then I get the best isk/hour, along with the best effort/hour, and at the same time get to screw over leeches like yourself who come along to **** an area of relic sites and then leave. (seeing as you are calling me a cherry picker, I hope you won't mind if I take the liberty to call people like yourselves leeches.)
If you want to promote pvp at these sites, which isn't a problem anyway atm given the amount of people that die at them, and even more so once these wormhole sites are implemented, then you'd put rats in them so people come equipped for combat. |
Howard Anderson
Twenty Questions RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.11.04 18:55:29 -
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Seems like the loot value or relic/data has dropped down the toilet. Everything dropping is crap and its way way way worse then ever before. Not even worth the time to try and scan now. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
97
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:19:37 -
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Komi Toran wrote:Lady Rift wrote:Jeremiah Saken wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:No it doesn't. Care to elaborate? Hard to discuss with yes/no arguments. it would effect there cherry picking so they oppose it *affect. Besides that, it really wouldn't. Most, not all, but most of the cherry pickers I've been affected by don't have a cargo scanner equipped and instead grab the most difficult cans (ruins) and leave. I know because I routinely find 6-12 mil cans among the left overs.
6-12 mil might not be worth there/their time.
explain how we are leeches? cherry picking is the correct term for what you do.
what I do is de-spawn the site so that there is another full site out there to be found giving more potential good payouts to whoever finds it. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
104
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:40:29 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:If you want to promote pvp at these sites, which isn't a problem anyway atm given the amount of people that die at them, and even more so once these wormhole sites are implemented, then you'd put rats in them so people come equipped for combat What pvp? Cargo scan and go? 8sec on site?
Medalyn Isis wrote:No we don't. And the Dev opinion would support "cargo scanning" most likely anyway as they were the ones who implemented it in the first place. Wrong. They implemented loot scattering mechanism too. Were is it now? Nothing is write on stone. I was the one of many that were lobbing to remove it from the game. All that for you cherry and your isk/hour.
Medalyn Isis wrote:When you fit up your ship you have a choice to sacrifice a mid slot and fit a cargo scanner or not. If all the loot was in one can I couldn't care less. In the end it boils down to isk/hour or effort/hour. if I spend an hour or two doing relics, and then go do something else for the rest of the day, then I get the best isk/hour, along with the best effort/hour, and at the same time get to screw over leeches like yourself who come along to **** an area of relic sites and then leave. (seeing as you are calling me a cherry picker, I hope you won't mind if I take the liberty to call people like yourselves leeches.) Leech? very usefull animal imo. Source of hirudine. Thank you. Leech that hack or fail hack all cans on site just for you fruit collector and you still don't get it. I play game to have fun, you play game to have good isk/hr ratio. Sorry i already have a job. Posts like yours are ammunition, i will use it well.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
_I am the night. I'm Bantam. _
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Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
419
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Posted - 2014.11.04 19:44:08 -
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Lady Rift wrote:explain how we are leeches? cherry picking is the correct term for what you do. Leeches, because you come into a region simply to run all the relic sites in a pve ship without defending the space and leeching all of the relic loot from those who do so. This is fine, and it is a good way to get new players into null sec, and get them into scanning and hacking, but be under no illusion that you are leeching. It is the same as the salvagers that go around salvaging other people mission sites, it's good gameplay, but it's leeching. |
Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
419
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:02:43 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:If you want to promote pvp at these sites, which isn't a problem anyway atm given the amount of people that die at them, and even more so once these wormhole sites are implemented, then you'd put rats in them so people come equipped for combat What pvp? Cargo scan and go? 8sec on site? 8 seconds is long enough for you to be killed by any skilled pvper. Plus however skilled you are at hacking, I very much doubt that your average hack rate is 8 seconds, more like 20-30 seconds for each hack I'd guess.
Also the fact that most leeches are warp core stabbed and nano fit means pvp is less likely to occur. If you had to fight rats in the site then they'd be more pvp, much better than your proposal to remove a good mechanic, cargo scanning, which helps to remove tedium from the game to those who choose to fit it.
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
99
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:23:53 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Lady Rift wrote:explain how we are leeches? cherry picking is the correct term for what you do. Leeches, because you come into a region simply to run all the relic sites in a pve ship without defending the space and leeching all of the relic loot from those who do so. This is fine, and it is a good way to get new players into null sec, and get them into scanning and hacking, but be under no illusion that you are leeching. It is the same as the salvagers that go around salvaging other people mission sites, it's good gameplay, but it's leeching.
Thing is you can't prove I'm a leech at all you are just calling me that. I don't own where I live cause its low sec and the WH I will be using has only my POS's in it so its owned to the best of my ability. Where as you are a self proclaimed cherry picker in this very thread.
Everyone who scans the can's is a cherry picker (or just bad at eve if they hack them all) but not everyone who runs relic/data sites is a leech. see the difference |
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
104
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:40:13 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Also the fact that most leeches are warp core stabbed and nano fit means pvp is less likely to occur. If you had to fight rats in the site then they'd be more pvp, much better than your proposal to remove a good mechanic, cargo scanning, which helps to remove tedium from the game to those who choose to fit it. What pvp? It would just mean i have to fight with rats, and reducing ships choice from 14 with hacking stats to soe ships and t3s. Same tedium mechanism just as you described. If i want to fight i would run combat sites. Nano fits? Leave your nullsec cradle and see how's it done in lowsec. If leeches disturb you so much, why you don't catch them on your ground, i can assure you it would be much more profitable instead of cherrypicking.
Medalyn Isis wrote:8 seconds is long enough for you to be killed by any skilled pvper. Plus however skilled you are at hacking, I very much doubt that your average hack rate is 8 seconds, more like 20-30 seconds for each hack I'd guess. 8 sec to cargo scan and warp out. Instead of at least 5 minutes to spend on site. See a difference? I saw asteros fitted with cargohold expanders, how easy is to avoid being caught on site?
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
_I am the night. I'm Bantam. _
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Medalyn Isis
Rosewood Productions
419
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Posted - 2014.11.04 20:46:56 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Medalyn Isis wrote:Also the fact that most leeches are warp core stabbed and nano fit means pvp is less likely to occur. If you had to fight rats in the site then they'd be more pvp, much better than your proposal to remove a good mechanic, cargo scanning, which helps to remove tedium from the game to those who choose to fit it. What pvp? It would just mean i have to fight with rats, and reducing ships choice from 14 with hacking stats to soe ships and t3s. Same tedium mechanism just as you described. If i want to fight i would run combat sites. Nano fits? Leave your nullsec cradle and see how's it done in lowsec. If leeches disturb you so much, why you don't catch them on your ground, i can assure you it would be much more profitable instead of cherrypicking. Medalyn Isis wrote:8 seconds is long enough for you to be killed by any skilled pvper. Plus however skilled you are at hacking, I very much doubt that your average hack rate is 8 seconds, more like 20-30 seconds for each hack I'd guess. 8 sec to cargo scan and warp out. Instead of at least 5 minutes to spend on site. See a difference? I saw asteros fitted with cargohold expanders, how easy is to avoid being caught on site? Well if you cargo scan and warp out you aren't getting any loot, and generally there is at least one can worth hacking. Killing leeches, cherry pickers, the flying spaghetti monster for all I care, is no problem at all in the current system as I already pointed out countless times, there is no need to make any more changes for the sake of pvp, but if you are so interested in doing that then put rats in the best sites so people cant just fit nanos and stabs. Much better than removing a good feature like your suggesting. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
104
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Posted - 2014.11.04 21:20:59 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Well if you cargo scan and warp out you aren't getting any loot, and generally there is at least one can worth hacking. Not the point here. If you didn't know what's inside and have to actually hack to check you would spend more time on site, pvper would have better opportunity to catch you, despite what's the can content. As for rats my opinion doesn't change, its plain reducing number of hulls capable to do sites. Ppl would just start to do them in t3s. It would mean even less pvp opportunities, hard to catch combat capable t3 in SB.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
_I am the night. I'm Bantam. _
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Komi Toran
Paragon Trust The Bastion
352
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Posted - 2014.11.05 01:35:02 -
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Lady Rift wrote:6-12 mil might not be worth there/their time. 6-12 mil would be an average value for a ruin, so I don't see a cargo-scanning cherry picker passing it up. Especially true as I've very, very rarely run into cherry picked sites where a ruin was left untouched, even though empty or carbon-only ruins are fairly common.
Although a better metric would be to simply ask the cherry pickers here if they would pass up a can that they knew held that value, especially if it's a can of only moderate difficulty. So, who's willing to answer?
Lady Rift wrote:Everyone who scans the can's is a cherry picker (or just bad at eve if they hack them all)... Not true. I scan all the cans, and I blow up the ones that don't have anything of significance, despawning the site before I leave. |
Delveling
Glowing Goat Black Fence.
6
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Posted - 2014.11.06 13:02:40 -
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Don't know if this has been brought up yet, but what about W-space data sites?
You talk about making data sites more worth while, and at the same time remove racial decryptors from game resulting W-space data sites with 6 cans out 8 to be empty.
Good job, please stop helping us.
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Shiva Darksun
EVE-RO Fidelas Constans
35
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Posted - 2014.11.06 16:26:19 -
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Lady Rift wrote: you are not the first to defend cherry picking so my they stands as I lump all cherry picker defenders into the same group
Cherry picking needs someone to do it. Denying that activity to one is denying scanning for all. I, for one, hack the most valuable cans and then double-fail all others as a courtesy. Making them unscannable diminishes my entertainment because there are douchebags out there. Therefore, I oppose it, it's as simple as that.
Lady Rift wrote: edit: and it really doesn't take long to hack a can or fail twice in the hack.
I heard that so many times it's stupid. It might not take YOU that long, because hey, everyone and their dog seem to be experts in everything, but it might take others long enough. I watched, cloaked, as a guy was trying to hack cans in a data site and failed all but two. Then he was caught by a Saber bubble and killed.
Car analogy: if you're a great driver, don't scoff at or dismiss everyone else who isn't. People are different. |
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
104
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Posted - 2014.11.06 19:05:28 -
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Shiva Darksun wrote:Cherry picking needs someone to do it. Denying that activity to one is denying scanning for all. I, for one, hack the most valuable cans and then double-fail all others as a courtesy. Making them unscannable diminishes my entertainment because there are douchebags out there. Therefore, I oppose it, it's as simple as that.
I would agree with cherrypicking if loot was distributed more or less equally among cans. Then yep, 3 have loot 3 was empty. I don't like hacking that much to hack 7 cans everytime i get on site. Argument that there are douchebags out there is lame. This sites are way too easy. There are no real threats out there, especially in null. Is it courtesy that you are destroying on double-fail? If you don't you would be shooting your own foot. Hell i would even agree to respawn site after cherrypicked.
Shiva Darksun wrote:I heard that so many times it's stupid. It might not take YOU that long, because hey, everyone and their dog seem to be experts in everything, but it might take others long enough. I watched, cloaked, as a guy was trying to hack cans in a data site and failed all but two. Then he was caught by a Saber bubble and killed. And he was in what? heron? D-scan? Do you really think hacking needs rocket science to learn? Hardest cans are all but some luck to hack, lesser ones with t2 are almost 100% hackable. This is way too easy, if we are going to even more nerf it nothing will last. I started exploring with really hardcore preodyssey mode. F*** i'm missing that times now with posts like yours. And no its not about the loot it's about the things needs to be done to get it. Now it's grind like in wow, instead of 12 birds to kill i have 12 cans to hack, same level of hardness.
Shiva Darksun wrote:Car analogy: if you're a great driver, don't scoff at or dismiss everyone else who isn't. People are different. Then learn to drive and don't post speed limits for those who can.
Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á
_I am the night. I'm Bantam. _
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Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
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Posted - 2014.11.06 21:47:00 -
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Shiva Darksun wrote:Lady Rift wrote: you are not the first to defend cherry picking so my they stands as I lump all cherry picker defenders into the same group
Cherry picking needs someone to do it. Denying that activity to one is denying scanning for all. I, for one, hack the most valuable cans and then double-fail all others as a courtesy. Making them unscannable diminishes my entertainment because there are douchebags out there. Therefore, I oppose it, it's as simple as that. Lady Rift wrote: edit: and it really doesn't take long to hack a can or fail twice in the hack.
I heard that so many times it's stupid. It might not take YOU that long, because hey, everyone and their dog seem to be experts in everything, but it might take others long enough. I watched, cloaked, as a guy was trying to hack cans in a data site and failed all but two. Then he was caught by a Saber bubble and killed. Car analogy: if you're a great driver, don't scoff at or dismiss everyone else who isn't. People are different.
The guy needed to train the skills to do it properly. Ya i can do it faster than most but that's cause I've invested time and isk into the profession (all lv 5 skills +implants). The faster/better you learn to do it the less risk you are at which is the way eve should work/does work.
Denying cherry picking doesn't deny scanning for all just those that want to use it in relics and data sites many other uses of the scanner.
Yes there are douchebags out there which is the whole reason these cans should be unscannable. |
Shiva Darksun
EVE-RO Fidelas Constans
35
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Posted - 2014.11.06 23:48:45 -
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Lady Rift wrote: Yes there are douchebags out there which is the whole reason these cans should be unscannable.
"There are douchebags out there so non-consensual PvP should be outlawed" "There are douchebags out there so scamming should be outlawed" "There are douchebags out there so awoxing should be bannable" "...wardecs should be outlawed" "...suicide ganking should be impossible"
See the trend? "I dislike it therefore it should go away" - it really doesn't work that way. |
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
102
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Posted - 2014.11.07 00:17:00 -
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Shiva Darksun wrote:Lady Rift wrote: Yes there are douchebags out there which is the whole reason these cans should be unscannable.
"There are douchebags out there so non-consensual PvP should be outlawed" "There are douchebags out there so scamming should be outlawed" "There are douchebags out there so awoxing should be bannable" "...wardecs should be outlawed" "...suicide ganking should be impossible" See the trend? "I dislike it therefore it should go away" - it really doesn't work that way.
your the one saying douchebags exist out there. I'm saying give them more of a chance to catch things in the sites.
there is suppose to be risk with being in low/null/wh isn't there? if you want to spend all day in a site hacking it then stay in high sec |
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