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Grinz Madullier
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.16 07:48:48 -
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Hey guys
Title says it all.
My name is Grinz and im a nullbear with an aversion to pvp. I dont want to be scared anymore. That and i have alot of isk i dont know what to do with so why not kill 2 birds with one stone by sploding some isk and getting the balls to take part in the other half of eve.
So Im looking for advice on where to start and how to go about it. Ill be bringing out an alt with 60m+sp. I see everyone talking about frigate combat but it seems a little too cheap for me catapulting t1 frigates around the field.
If you had a spare few bill to concentrate on getting your pvp on as a newbie in FW where do i start? |
Flash Thomson
Crimson Serpent Syndicate Heiian Conglomerate
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Posted - 2014.10.16 08:14:52 -
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Hi Grinz,
I started Faction Warfare just a few weeks back. Money is a big issue for me, as I have 2 big holes in my pockets and just came out of retirement... =D
But please check out www.caldarinews.wordpress.com I have written about some of my experiences as noob and also link guides to faction warfare that I feel are quite good....
more to come =D
Oh and about the frigate thing... If you want to burn isk... feel free to use stuff like t2 frigates, pirate faction frigates... I regularly see cruisers and T3 ships too....
You will get a lot more engagements with frigates though (I think, can someone confirm?) Any way I can't afford much else =D
Tanking since 1982
Reporting Caldari Faction Warfare news on
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Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.10.16 10:20:29 -
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You can fly whatever you want, really, it's just that t1 frigs will get you the most fights if you go around solo. You can also have great fun with cruisers, but i wouldn't go further up in size.
By the way, if you're a pvp newbie, flying anything other than t1 non faction frigs WILL result in embarassing loss mails, so i'd stick to that for a bit untill you get the hang of things. SP and ISK don't matter much when you **** up horribly.
After that, i'd still advise frigs. You can put shiny mods and roll about in uber fits if you feel like 10 M a pop won't be fun for you, it's quite easy to get to the 300M mark with pirate frigs and some faction mods (think mwd and point, for example), and they're also very effective and fun to fly. You probably will have to go against gangs with them tho.
if you plan to join militia fleet, just bring what the FC asks for, really xD |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:07:00 -
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Welcome to FW.
Depending on your style I propose that you choose one of these two strategies to approach FW:
a) In case you are the lone-wolf, who loves to find out everything himself the hard way, then you are perfect in FW. In this case read a lot in the forums and search for FW-reports to get an idea of the basic FW-mechanics. Then get a T1-Frigate or T1-Dessy of your choice and go out for the adventure yourself. Don't go expensive, stay with T1-Frigate/Dessy and T2-Modules including T1-Rigs max. You will die a lot at the beginning. After each death take some time to analyze what did you wrong. Did you had wrong fitting? Did you just made a wrong choice of enemy in general... or haven't you seen that enemy is coming with a blob. Improve, rinse, repeat... sooner or later you will get your first earned kill and you will be very satisfied about this.
b) If you are more a social guy and maybe want more guidance, then join one of the many FW-Corps. (e.g. TRIAD) Here you can participate in fleet operations and people can give you hints and explain things.
Good luck, Meditril |
Syrias Bizniz
Zebra Corp The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:14:58 -
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Will teach you how2frigate for ISK. That way you fly T1 frigates AND pay shittons of ISK.
Win-Win |
Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.10.17 07:46:23 -
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If you have an arseload of isk, just go pirate. FW is good because of the LP payouts, but you dont need that. If you dont join FW you will give yourself far more targets as you wont be blueing half of the warzone. |
Oreb Wing
Windrammers Bohica Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:10:22 -
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Domino Vyse wrote:If you have an arseload of isk, just go pirate. FW is good because of the LP payouts, but you dont need that. If you dont join FW you will give yourself far more targets as you wont be blueing half of the warzone.
You can always shoot pies and still have an objective. |
Tinu Moorhsum
Random Events
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Posted - 2014.10.17 15:04:33 -
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Grinz Madullier wrote: My name is Grinz and im a nullbear with an aversion to pvp.
I stopped reading at this point.
FW isn't going to want you either because even in the baby PVP life of a FW pilot they're going to want you to undock and shoot stuff.
My advice would be to go mine in the nearest system to Jita with an asteroid belt...even if you have to deal with CODE. If this makes you want to throw up in your mouth too then unsub and go back to WOW. There is nowhere in EVE where you can just do your thing and noone can get to you.
T-
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Oreb Wing
Windrammers Bohica Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.17 16:37:34 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Grinz Madullier wrote: My name is Grinz and im a nullbear with an aversion to pvp.
I stopped reading at this point. FW isn't going to want you either because even in the baby PVP life of a FW pilot they're going to want you to undock and shoot stuff. My advice would be to go mine in the nearest system to Jita with an asteroid belt...even if you have to deal with CODE. If this makes you want to throw up in your mouth too then unsub and go back to WOW. There is nowhere in EVE where you can just do your thing and noone can get to you. T-
Maybe you should finish reading, get your head out of your GÇóGÇóGÇó and then open your mouth. |
Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.10.17 19:33:27 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:Domino Vyse wrote:If you have an arseload of isk, just go pirate. FW is good because of the LP payouts, but you dont need that. If you dont join FW you will give yourself far more targets as you wont be blueing half of the warzone. You can always shoot pies and still have an objective.
Wat? |
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Oreb Wing
Windrammers Bohica Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.17 20:44:40 -
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Domino Vyse wrote:Oreb Wing wrote:Domino Vyse wrote:If you have an arseload of isk, just go pirate. FW is good because of the LP payouts, but you dont need that. If you dont join FW you will give yourself far more targets as you wont be blueing half of the warzone. You can always shoot pies and still have an objective. Wat?
As in he can do FW and still have plenty of targets with pirates and neutrals to shoot, while having a broader goal in mind with the warzone. |
Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.10.17 20:55:05 -
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Oreb Wing wrote:Domino Vyse wrote:Oreb Wing wrote:Domino Vyse wrote:If you have an arseload of isk, just go pirate. FW is good because of the LP payouts, but you dont need that. If you dont join FW you will give yourself far more targets as you wont be blueing half of the warzone. You can always shoot pies and still have an objective. Wat? As in he can do FW and still have plenty of targets with pirates and neutrals to shoot, while having a broader goal in mind with the warzone.
Plenty, but still less. |
Oreb Wing
Windrammers Bohica Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.17 21:07:15 -
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True |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2014.10.18 02:27:33 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:
...... in the baby PVP life of a FW pilot........
T-
Says the guy with a grand total of 0 kills.
Docked since 2009.
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Plato Forko
Forko Nanorobotics
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Posted - 2014.10.20 01:59:00 -
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Grinz Madullier wrote:Hey guys
Title says it all.
My name is Grinz and im a nullbear with an aversion to pvp. I dont want to be scared anymore.
but the fear is what makes it all fun :) and FWIW people in militia routinely drop hundreds of millions of ISK on implants and faction mods and drugs and links for T1 frigs so it's not like you'll impress anyone in a shiny cruiser My terribad blog where I QQ and rage about Amarr FW |
Luwc
Brodozers Inc.
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Posted - 2014.10.20 06:33:07 -
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Drop by in RDNEX Bar & Grill
we are tight knit Amarr FW group and pretty active in the warzone.
You can chill in our pub channel and get support there if you like.
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Artuard Envien
Rent Is DUE TODAY Relentlessly Reclaiming
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Posted - 2014.10.20 08:18:24 -
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Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Grinz Madullier wrote: My name is Grinz and im a nullbear with an aversion to pvp.
I stopped reading at this point. FW isn't going to want you either because even in the baby PVP life of a FW pilot they're going to want you to undock and shoot stuff. My advice would be to go mine in the nearest system to Jita with an asteroid belt...even if you have to deal with CODE. If this makes you want to throw up in your mouth too then unsub and go back to WOW. There is nowhere in EVE where you can just do your thing and noone can get to you. T-
Please do not speak for the entire FW group. I for one welcome any new bro who wants to shoot stuff. Op convo me if you need info about fw pvp stuff.
o/ |
Balshem Rozenzweig
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.10.20 11:36:48 -
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Artuard Envien wrote:Tinu Moorhsum wrote:Grinz Madullier wrote: My name is Grinz and im a nullbear with an aversion to pvp.
I stopped reading at this point. FW isn't going to want you either because even in the baby PVP life of a FW pilot they're going to want you to undock and shoot stuff. My advice would be to go mine in the nearest system to Jita with an asteroid belt...even if you have to deal with CODE. If this makes you want to throw up in your mouth too then unsub and go back to WOW. There is nowhere in EVE where you can just do your thing and noone can get to you. T- Please do not speak for the entire FW group. I for one welcome any new bro who wants to shoot stuff. Op convo me if you need info about fw pvp stuff. o/
Art's legit. I'd know - my main is in his alliance :P
"NUTS!!!" - general McAuliffe
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Gaan Cathal
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
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Posted - 2014.10.21 20:48:03 -
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It used to be I'd've just answered this with "Grab a ship, join militia, X up for a fleet and replace you loss, rinse repeat." but with all the residual nullsec infestation from the brief moment FW was marginally profitable that works less well. So...
Pick a side. Look at killboards. Apply to corps. A lot of them will take a PVP newbro, and you'll assumedly be SPed to fit in some halfway useful hulls too. A lot of FW corps these days run the whole rack from T1 frigate lolroams up to T3 gangs w/logi etc. A bunch of Minniemil corps base in Huola so you could check the station offices there for corps to apply to, likewise I think it's largely Auga nowadays for the Ammies. Unless stuff's changed since I was there Nourvukaiken is Squid-Central and the Frogs use Villore at the other end of the Black Rise pipe.
So yeah, there's a whole range of PVP available if you want it, and I'm sure there are corps in any of the Factions who'd be happy to enable you in the noble pursuit of getting blown up until you learn to get blown up slightly less often.
Also, it's less about not being scared because you no longer loose ships, more about no longer being scared that you're going to loose ships. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.10.22 00:26:01 -
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Gaan Cathal wrote:l and the Frogs use Villore at the other end of the Black Rise pipe. .
First thing anyone learns upon joining Gal Mil, don't use Villoire xD
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Gaan Cathal
Angry Mustellid The Periphery
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Posted - 2014.10.22 01:04:12 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Gaan Cathal wrote:l and the Frogs use Villore at the other end of the Black Rise pipe. . First thing anyone learns upon joining Gal Mil, don't use Villoire xD
I stand corrected, back when I was in Black Rise was when we got a well done sticker for winning the warzone instead of a pile of LP so I'm not surprised that's changed. Also, grr bittervet, back in my day, both ways uphill with WOLFY dropping fighters on you cos that was a thing once upon a time.
Ahem. |
somedudeinaship
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.10.28 04:22:53 -
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There is a lot that goes into piloting in FW successfully.
You need to learn how to set up fastdocks and fastundocks due to the pushout stations you will be using the most (your bookmarks will become a big part of your skillset). You need to learn how to keep up your DSCAN at all times and properly scan down gates, plexes, and other locations to find targets and asses the situation. In addition to these you also will likely need to learn how to get your ships and other gear safely out to whatever location you chose to use as your base of operations. It can be quite a pain for most people to have to fly all the way out to the nearest hub and get into a new ship and then fly all the way back out to where you already are.
Another thing to know, gate camps will happen quite often, some areas are camped far more often then others and it is good to know generally how to avoid them or survive them. The general rule of thumb however is to always try and save your pod if at all possible so that you can save your implants. The general idea is that if you know your gonna lose a ship pick a spot on your overview and start to spam the crap out of warp to until the pod starts to warp off. If you are deep into enemy territory you still might not successfully make it back to your home system before getting podded by yet another gate camp. These things happen and it is nearly unavoidable in certain circumstances.
In addition to these few things I mentioned you need to know about the ability to track a target with various types of ammo you'll be using. With 60m SP I am guessing you might have that already covered though anyway, but your enemy can easily employ various techniques to try and avoid getting hit. They can also use Ancillary Armor Repairer, or Medium Ancillary Shield Boosters in order to bypass any electronic warfare devices (EWAR) and in order to allow them to repair far more damage then they might otherwise be capable of with their ships CPU and PG. Fitting is a part of the FW game as well, and I am guessing you are going to already have CPU and PG skills maxed out so that will help quite a bit.
Obviously the ship you pick also will have its own bonuses and this will help aid you in what you want to do. If you don't know what you want to do then hopefully you at least will try to play into the ships bonuses regardless and use them to the best of your ability.
I could go on, but I figured I would throw out some advice in a compressed manner. Frankly one could write an entire guide on faction warfare alone and all that is involved.
Good luck, hope I helped some. Happy hunting!
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